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Perhaps someone should put up a more recent picture of Mr. Lee. I would, but I haven't had much luck with figuring out the image uploading policy. Komodo 22:21, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Why does everyone always want a newer picture? Wouldn't it make more sense to have a picture of him when he was most notable (i.e., the early 1960s)? Anyway, see below. —Chowbok 01:21, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Because he looks grotesque in the current picture?--CyberGhostface 23:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
You are missing the point. I'm not talking about the quality of the current picture. I'm just saying that if we're wishing for an ideal picture, why do we want a new one? —Chowbok 23:53, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Why wouldn't we???--CyberGhostface 01:14, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
This is more a general Wikipedia discussion at this point. Moving to your talk page (and mine, presumably). —Chowbok 01:17, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

That picture should definetley be changed! if not to a newer one than at least to one in wich doesn't look so weird--DaGrob 16:07, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Is there any truth to the rumor that Stan Lee is the dad of actor Jason Lee? jengod 18:24, May 17, 2004 (UTC)

I doubt it. I don't recall any mention of Jason Lee when I read Stan Lee's biography and autobiography. For what it's worth, Stan was born Stanley Lieber. Gamaliel 21:08, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Category: comics writer should really be Category: Comic book writers, and if you're going to put in a new +cat, you should create it. khaosworks 15:12, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)


How can there be a encyclopedia page about Stan Lee without mentioning that he really wasn't the driving force behind Marvel but capitalized on his status as Editor, which he got because his uncle owned the company?

  • Easy: we stick to the verifiable facts, and leave the opinions and speculation out of it. The article mentions his relationship to Goodman, for example; it's up to the reader to conclude whether that's the reason he got the job. It also mentions that there is disagreement about how much of Marvel's success was due to Lee vs. other creators. Tverbeek 21:29, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)
    • Also, if you go to this wikilink, you'll see different quotes from books by both Lee and Joe Simon that refutes the nepotism charge. Also, Martin Goodman wasn't Lee's uncle, but his cousin by marriage. And it was Simon, according to Simon, who did the hiring. 24.199.120.207 01:26, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

The page mentions Striperella, but not the lawsuit against Lee Regarding the creation of Striperella. It doesn't mention the facts that artists such as Ditko and Kirby dispute his claims of sole creation of these characters either. This is smelling like a whitewash to me. History has to record ALL the facts, including ones that makes the people you see as heroes look like villians. unsigned comment from 66.190.70.147

  • If we have made omissions in this article, please feel free to add information. I doubt anyone here is interested in a whitewash. All articles here are a work in progess and it's most likely something that no one has gotten around to adding yet. Also, you can sign your comments with four tildes (~). Gamaliel 01:52, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Don't assume that Lee is my (or anyone else's) hero, just because we don't describe him here as a villain. As a matter of fact, the article does mention the disputes regarding Kirby and Ditko's role in creating those characters. (See the paragraph that begins, "Because of this system...") It's pretty brief, probably because the more you say, the more opportunity there is to say something that violates neutrality. Instead it simply reports what "some observers argue". Maybe more detail is needed. If there are facts missing, then please add them; that's how a wiki works. Just keep in mind that Wikipedia is supposed to be written from a neutral point of view, so anything that smells like a witchhunt (like some of your judgmental edits to Spider-Man) is going to get edited to tone it down, just the same as anything that smells like a whitewash should be. (P.S. It helps if you register before making edits, so people can see that you're here as a positive contributor and not just an anonymous troublemaker.) Tverbeek 02:24, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Silver Surfer not created by Stan Lee?

I dispute that the Silver Surfer wasnt co-created by Stan Lee. I remember him having dialogue in issue #48 of 'The Fantastic Four' his first appearence, so would have to of been scripted by Stan Lee. Additionally he is officially credited to this day as the Co-Creator with Kirby. Additionally his whole history, where he come from and who he is as a character I suspect would of come from Stans Lees writing. But if what you say is true (which it could be), The Silver Surfer page will require some changes too. - The guy who made the change (sorry forgot I wasnt logged in) --UnlimitedAccess

"Many are familiar with the often-repeated story of how Lee was presented with the penciled pages to FF #48, only to be surprised by the new character in the story." I googled this up quickly from http://www.twomorrows.com/kirby/articles/23notes.html. Not sure of the source of the story (Origins of Marvel Comics?), but it's a very common and famous one. Gamaliel 00:07, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
It troubles me that still to this day that the character is officially credited by Marvel as a Lee/Kirby creation, I think its worth noting. Okay, then how about this. "Lee is credited for officially creating the Incredible Hulk, the Silver Surfer, Iron Man, the Mighty Thor and the X-Men with Kirby; Daredevil with Bill Everett; and Doctor Strange and Marvel's most successful character, Spider-Man with Steve Ditko." The Silver Surfer page goes into sufficient detail about this anyway. But the Silver Surfer page could have one alteration, where it says at the top "Created by Jack Kirby and Stan Lee" could read something like "Officially created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby". I know its a bit semantical, but as an encylodpedia it's worth including. What do you think? UnlimitedAccess
Perhaps we should just leave SS off that list entirely and just deal with the indepth discussion for the Silver Surfer Article. To say he's "credited officially" with creating all those characters may lead the reader to suspect that he played a role in none of them, while in reality SS is probably the only one where he played no role at all. (And if you really want to get into it, you could say SL is a creator since he fleshed out the character and adopted SS as a pet project.) Gamaliel 17:46, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
Well okay, I just felt that if someone is researching Stan Lee the article should at least point to this dispute of SL/JK creating Silver Surfer, particarly because of the "official" status that still stands and because of the final point you made in your last post. -UnlimitedAccess

This whole debacule with people saying “OH STAN SHOULDN’T GET A CO/CREATOR CREDIT” is very upsetting to me. Let us take the case of Silver Surfer then, If Lee was infact caught completely off guard by the apprence of the character, he would still have a hand in its creation, as he wrote the diologe and one can easily say that the diologe of a character is its personaility in a comic serireis, BUT you maintaim that because Kerby desinged the look should recive full credit. While Lee activly worked with Marvel he had his hands in almost everything that was going on, so therefore one could say he was co-creator of just about everything marvel put out during those years. I belive that Lee should be credited as co-creator, but if it is that important to some out there, perhaps his name should come first, as the Last name in a Co-creator credit is usually the more noticed -----Iorek Brynson

Your right, his look is only 50% of his character, but your forgetting Jack Kirby in SS first apperance wrote and scripted his dialogue as well, thus giving him his personality. Stan Lee and Jack Kirby after then both worked on SS for the next several years giving flesh to the character, and because of that Stan Lee is officially credited as a co-creator. But technically, SS was exclusively created by Kirby. I still stand by initial statement though, that it is worth including on this page of his involvement with the character. - UnlimitedAccess 04:10, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
Kirby wrote and scripted ? Can you give support for that ? -- Beardo 03:19, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't believe anyone has ever claimed that Kirby wrote the dialog for any issue of Fantastic Four, and the style of Kirby's scripting for his Fourth World titles and elsewhere is wildly different from anything in FF.
Lee himself has stated in many interviews that Kirby came up with the concept of the Surfer and deserves full credit for that. But just as Spider-Man, say, is credited as a co-Lee/Ditko creation, since the concept, the visuals, and the characterization all play a part, the converse seems true here — that the Surfer is a co-Lee/Kirby creation. -- Tenebrae 11:45, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
I believe I remember reading somewhere or other that Kirby's version of the Surfer's origin was totally different, and that Kirby's idea was for him to be an energy being created by Galactus out of nothing. Anyone have an idea where that's from 65.92.154.5 23:53, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cameos

This needs fix: Lee's cameos are listed twice.

[edit] Age / Clinton

According to this article, Lee began writing filler in 1941, when he'd have been 18 or 19, then graduated from this eventually become editor when he was 17. How did that work, exactly?

    • Go to this wikilink for the answers. Lee was born 12/28/22, and got his assistant job in mid-to-late 1939 at what he says was 16 1/2, after having graduated high school early (per his autobiography and other sources). Editor Joe Simon left Marvel sometime in 1942, so Lee would have been about 19 1/2. 24.199.120.207 01:34, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Also, is this bit true: "a conspiracy by Bill Clinton to divert Paul's Japanese partner's multimillion dollar investment from Stan Lee Media to a new Clinton company".

I have commented-out the Clinton paragraph, without erasing it, and ask for objective citations for it. It contains non-NPOV statements, and claims that don't appear to be supported by the References or External Links. What is the "Hillary Clinton Accountability Project"? Iis it a non-partisan, academic, historical project or something else? There are inflammatory statements here, and also some that would seem to require verification, such as "the largest fundraising event for Hillary Clinton's 2000 Senate campaign." Is there an objective, news-media statement giving facts and figures to support this? Tenebrae 01:38, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
The Clinton paragraph came back, this time with an unlinked reference citing WorldNetDaily.com. That Web site is a right-wing blog, not an accredited, journalistic news source. If the alleged information about Lee and Clinton is real and accurate, then the editor posting it should have no problem citing and quoting established, credible news sources and not have to rely on such a clearly biased and thus non-journalistic site. -- Tenebrae 16:01, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
The Clinton paragraph was deceptively written to imply that Lee had a prominent role in a Clinton finance scandal. There is no evidence to support this whatsoever. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:71.242.118.162 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Web award?

In the part about Stan Lee Media (in "Later career"), I removed the POV statement "and produced the best flash animation on the internet". I also removed "winning the 2000 Web Award as the best entertainment portal on the world wide web, Stanlee.net" because I can't find anything about such an award on the Web. Can someone find what this was supposed to refer to? ←Hob 21:39, 18 September 2005 (UTC) It might mean the Webby. --Chris Griswold 18:51, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Net Worth?

So, what is ole Stan worth these days with all the movies and stuff?

More than you. I also don't believe any of that "tyrant" bullshit. I mean, Steve Ditko created THE CREEPER! That means Stan Lee created Spider-Man entirely by himself. Because the creeper sucks donkey balls. Oh, and don't even remind about those awful and completely forgettable Charlton comics characters. Steve Ditko doesn't have the creativity to have done all he says he has done. 168.243.218.2
  • That would be 'opinion,' not 'fact.' Dr Archeville 18:24, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stan Lee and Ringo Starr

Stan was collaborating with Ringo Starr to produce a super Ringo character..eg. magic rings, etc. Has anyone heard any further details on this?

[edit] Stan Lee's religion

I would like to know the religion of Stan Lee. I see him eulogizing a Christian manga: “….a clean, inspiring Christian comic done in a hip, contemporary way. I think you’ve really got a winner.” [1].

Stan Lee, was born into a jewish family, (originally named Stanley Lieber) but I don't know if he practices or not.

[edit] Balance between periods

It seems odd that the period since 1991 gets more space than 1960-1990 - surely the 1960s are his most influential period and should get most coverage ? -- Beardo 03:11, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, one reason was that some PR type inserted entire paragraphs from a hype-filled POW! press release. I've boiled the information down to the facts, but there's still an awful lot of unencyclopedia language and crystal balling. -- Tenebrae 11:59, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
It could also be argued that some of that ground is covered in the article on Marvel Comics as well as those of the characters Lee co-created. -- Pennyforth 18:07, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stan Lee's Appearance in the "Minus 1" Stories

I couldn't find a page on this company-wide event, where all the books came out with a number -1 and had an impish version of Lee narrating the story. At least, I think it was Lee. 66.217.130.147 22:18, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

That was the "Flashback" event of July 1997. I put a paragraph about the impish "Ringmaster Stan" in the Fictional Portrayals section. -- Pennyforth 18:53, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I belive this Article needs a re write

I'm sorry to say that this article is a poor excuse for a biography, I really think someone like Stan Lee deserves a better article, 1) It needs a picture of him, 2) History of his works in comic books, 3) A Section of his pre- comic book years. 4) Other works 5) Current status.

................. Yes I know some of what i mentioned is already their, but needs to be clarified. I don't know how to site an article yet, but I know this really needs a re write.--Gakhandal 06:56, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Upcoming Sci Fi Pictures original film Stan Lee's involved with.

I've recently got around to creating the article on The Harpy, so if anyone wants to contribute thereto: please feel free to do so. DrWho42 05:21, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

Could we get something a little more recent? Most people's image of Stan Lee comes from his appearances on QVC, his awkward cameos in the Marvel film, and Who Wants to be a Superhero. I'm not sure a picture of him from the 70s with a painted-on mustache is representative.--Chris Griswold (☎☓) 16:48, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

If you can find a more representative photo of him that is freely-licensed, feel free to put it in. —Chowbok 17:03, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

i was just about to mention this.

Yep...the rules are, even if the picture is beyond horrible and outdated, if its free it stays in favor of better, more recent pictures.--CyberGhostface 22:14, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Yes, that is correct. Just like how even if an article is poorly-written, we don't replace it with copyrighted text. —Chowbok 23:35, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
It's definitely a far cry from the grandfather-ly image we've had burned into our minds, but this, uh.. swarthy photo of Lee is great. LEAVE IT BE. Es-won 23:03, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
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