User talk:ST47/Archive4

[edit] Erm...

Be interested to know what tool your using... look at your edit - with no edit summary Rich Farmbrough, 21:57 3 October 2006 (GMT).

Yeah, sorry :( - that was an edit off a link from IRC, the popups wouldn't work ST47Talk 21:58, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

No probs. Rich Farmbrough, 21:59 3 October 2006 (GMT).

[edit] Republic of Macedonia recent changes

Note that a comment (a warning) was here, removed to unmess vp ST47Talk 22:22, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I got this. Of course, I believe that this edit shouldnt be reverted and I want to discuss.

[edit] Maryse Casol

Hello ST47,

My name is Henri, I'm finishing my PHD in fine arts at Concordia University in Montreal, Canada. My thesis is on french artist Maryse Casol. As I was updating the info on wikipedia, i saw that you reversed the editing. I know that all sources are still not there but I'm working at it right now. Could you please give me a bit of time as I'm trying to provide information to help the entire artistic community.

Thanks!

Henri

[edit] Your revert of my revert

Do I think it should not have been reverted? Damn skippy! The comment I reverted out was idiotic, redundant nonsense. It wasn't even SIGNED!!! It's just some retard trying to act cool and it doesn't help the talk or the article. Worst of all, it undermines the other users' better written comments. It's insulting! 172.194.255.242 23:06, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

so? I agree with you that it was stupid, but (IMO) you shouldn't remove comments from talk pages unless they are damaging - personal information, leet hax, porn, the like ST47Talk 00:54, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] bot?

Hey, I know it says that your "bot" account is using AWB, but it's, like, flooding, like, my watch list. So I thought I'd whine about that. Maybe for when you do stuff like change redirect categories, you could get a bot flag, that would be nifty? Ok, that's all :) Mak (talk) 02:37, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

sorry :( but...why are you watching redirect pages anyway? :P meh. I'll go bother someone about the flag, I thought I was supposed to have one anyway ST47Talk 10:20, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Per Betacommand's final approval [1], I've granted your bot, STBot, a bot flag. Redux 12:15, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I know, it's a little bit silly of me, and it was partly flooding my watchlist because I have the "watch all pages I edit or create" box checked, and didn't bother to uncheck it when creating redirects. Thanks for getting it fixed :) (the "likes" were supposed to convey that I knew I was being a little bit silly, but perhaps more direct communication would have been better :) Mak (talk) 16:19, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Redux! ST47Talk 18:03, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ZOMG like Sagabot died!!!

Heh - thanks for finishing those redirect thingymajigs off. I was busy doing junk for VP2 >.> and 'the bot' (aka the laptop it runs on) died on me last night. Have no fear - he is alive again now :D --Sagaciousuk ^(talk) 19:59, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

lol - i was wondering why they weren't being done :P remember that you have to love your bot, and he will love you back. that means cookies. ST47Talk 20:11, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Giambi edits

I added true, productive things, to the Jason Giambi Trivia section and you deleted them immediately. Why? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by FatClemenza (talk • contribs) 23:46, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

the edits were were slanderous(at least the first one), and both were not all that relevant ST47Talk 23:49, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

How were they slanderous? It is well known that Giambi's father loves Mickey Mantle and as far as relevance is concerned, it's a trivia section. They don't need to be relevant, as long as it is a trivial piece of information.

[edit] Fast edits

Sorry, but I was just tagging and assessing about 20 film article stubs. I believe there was a bot for that at WP:FILMS, but it wasn't reliable and is not in action anymore. Slowing down my clicking actions not to "spam RC" seems absurd to me. Prolog 00:06, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] hey

Thanks for contacting me. I created the page for Ashly DelGrosso and someone decided to enter the item on pro-wrestling as a joke. Or, i'm assuming it's a joke. There is no citation for this rumor and it seems unlikely. I would appreciate you're removing it if you get teh chance.

Thanks!

[edit] Removal of African-American football players category (Willie Fleming & Johnny Bright)

I read the wiki category guidelines and don't understand why you removed the above-referenced categories from the Johnny Bright and Willie Fleming pages. Had some type of consensus been reached that I don't know about? I think the categories are appropriate for both pages. I would welcome discussion and a response. Sundevilesq 19:28, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation and link to the discussion (on my Talk page). I wish I could've been involved in the discussion prior to the vote, but oh well...maybe it will come up again (I would've tied the vote at 2-2 in favor of keeping the category). Thanks again. Sundevilesq 04:26, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Using AWB for cleanup

Hi. Thanks for doing copy edit work. One remark however. Per WP:AWB#Rules of use, one should

Avoid making insignificant minor edits such as only adding or removing some white space, moving a stub tag, converting some HTML to Unicode, removing underscores from links (unless they are bad links), or something equally trivial. This is because it wastes resources and clogs up watch lists.

I would suggest using AWB for spell-checking, category renaming, or other important matters. Wonder what you think. You can reply here. Thanks. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 02:11, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Oleg! Are you referring to my bot itself, or the trial I did on ST47 yesterday? in future it will all be done with the bot account(I'm preparing a 50 edit trial now) and I'll be working on specific things such as the messed up links. I think it will only be a week of the heavy edits, and then only fixing errors that are inserted, however I don't want it to be an annoyance. As for the resources, it will ofcourse run overnight, not during peak times - thats 2AM-10AM GMT that I will run it. I can probably set it to end earlier if needed? ST47Talk 18:39, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I am referring to your bot, indeed. Note that overnight where you are maybe midday somewhere else. :) My point is that you should not use the bot for trivial edits. For example, is a link messed up just because it has underscores in it, or because it is like this: [[function|functions]]? Such edits should not be done with AWB, per the policy linked above. Such edits don't add value, and they obscure the watchlists and recent changes, making it harder for people to track contributions. Cheers, Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 02:08, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

why don't you take a look at its request for approval, as that explains the bot ST47Talk 10:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] shucks.

Shoot. I thought your "I am currently on Recent Changes" thing on top of your talk page was some kind of dynamically updated thing. I was getting excited about a new flashy toy, but oh well. Do you just switch it back and forth when you get on and off, then? ----Steve 19:11, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

hehe :P - I used to change it, then I got bored, so now I'm ALWAYS on RC :P ST47Talk 19:20, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:194.72.81.81

No problem. He's clearly a rather spiteful vandal. If he returns after the block expires, feel free to get back in touch (though I am officially on WikiBreak/vacation right now :-) Best, Gwernol 23:42, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

enjoy your vacation! ST47Talk 00:33, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The bot is making bad edits

Your bot is bypassing {{user AmE-N}} to {{user en-us-N}}, which doesn't exist. It isn't changing the capital N to a lowercase one ({{user en-us-n}}). -- kenb215 talk 01:45, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

yes sir, I just realized that, and will repair that, the new edits were just fed into the bot, which now has a 650 edit queue. ST47Talk 01:46, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your Bot

Your bot has been approved. Run is sensibly and we'll all be wonderfully happy. Later. -- RM 03:22, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

yessir. sensible. I can do that. :P ST47Talk 10:08, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recent bot edits

Your edits to Annie Haslam and Anthony Ashley-Cooper, 3rd Earl of Shaftesbury‎ are contrary to what I was taught here at Wiki and other editors using AWB. Has something changed, i.e. caps and plurals in links?? Amerindianarts 04:36, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi! When using links where you want it to appear plural, you can just type [[link]]s, there is no need to sue a piped link. There are a few more tips on what the bot does at his userpage, User:STBot. Thanks! ST47Talk 11:09, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not really needed edits

Hi, I noticed your bot did the following edit: [2]. We shouldn't really be doing such minor edits on articles as they do not actually change anything in the page. All this does is put unnecessary strain on the servers (as an edit takes a significantly larger amount of resources than parsing that sort of link does). I don't know if you can alter this with AWB, but I think you should look into ways of avoiding doing this. Thanks, Localzuk^(talk) 13:04, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

actually, that is the point of the bot's second task, which passed a WP:BRFA with the approval of betacommand and RM. The edits are run in non-peak hours to decrease server load, and the bot has a botflag to avaid RC and watchlist spam. after the first 2 weeks, the amount of edits will drop, because I am currently 'repairing' the wiki, and in 2 weeks after this is done I will be 'maintaining' the wiki, only repaiting issues that are added. The edits I made last night, of which there were 2,160, recovered a total of 25,920 B, and the rest of the edis will probably be about 402,636 B more. It should also simplify the edit view, and limit users from seeing that error and perpetuating it, as the user above was led to believe. ST47Talk 13:18, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

But instead of the 25,920 B of data being used for storage, won't a significantly higher amount be used in storage of the diff information about the edit made? I still disagree with this form of edit as it is a waste of resources and should only really be done when another editor is making a significant edit and fixes the issue at the same time. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Localzuk (talk • contribs) 09:31, October 14, 2006 (UTC)

From the BRFA

While I agree that this bot is useful and good as per Betacommand, I also partially agree with Oleg Alexandrov to some extent, but not for the same reason. There are a number of potential changes: plurality, underscores, double-piped links, self referential links, and interwiki links. I'll focus on the first 4. Plurality and double-piped links only serve to hurt the readability of the code behind the page, so there is a compelling reason to make these changes even though they are trivial and may enter people's watchlists. As mentioned above, bot edits to watchlists can be disabled, so this isn't a big deal. With self-referential links, this isn't so much of a big deal. They shouldn't happen, true, but they don't really overly hurt readability. Nevertheless, I don't mind if they occur. My problem is with changes that do nothing but change underscores. An underscore in a link is not a big deal and there is no compelling reason to make an edit to a page solely to change underscores to spaces. This adds database load without a clear benefit. So here is what I suggest. Do the plurality, double-piped link, and self-referential link fixes for any articles needing it, but only correct underscores if you are making one of the other 3 fixes. So basically only correct underscores if you were going to edit the page anyway. This will cut down on needless edit load to the databases. I don't mind if you process underscores during time periods where Wikipedia is experiencing low load. So make sure if you do just underscores that you do so at major off-peak times.

I am obeying the restrictions set by RM, only editing off-peak, and using minor edits under a botflag. All edits are being done off-peak due to the underscore restriction, and at an acceptable speed(5-7 epm) ST47Talk 13:48, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hinduism in Azerbaijan

I noticed your concerns on the bad-faith AfD (nominated by the Muslim guild) . The Hinduism article is used for the philosophy and practices of Hinduism, not for things belonging to articles in the Category:Hinduism by country. Hinduism in Azerbaijan has a long history, mainly in Silk Road trade. Also the Atashgah is a major defining part of the practice of Hinduism. The article is sourced as well. If you have any other concerns, please ask me on my talk page.Bakaman _Bakatalk 16:18, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

It has a long history, though the article says Hinduism in Azerbaijan has never been a widespread tradition.? You have all these small articles for each country, some of which, like Hinduism in Azerbaijan, admit that there isn't any Hinduism in Azerbaijan? I believe that all these articles with little context would be better as one article(like Hinduism by country is???) ST47Talk 16:49, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Minorly bad bot edit

part of this edit was good (the bold-facing), and part was minorly bad (the removal of a plural re-title in the link). Best, Irongargoyle 18:21, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bot unwikilinking plurals

You bot changed two words on America's Got Talent (Season 1) from a plural piped link (ex. [[dog|dogs]] to [[dog]]s. I'm pretty sure it should be staying the way it was, as the way you bot changes it makes it look funny. Please reply under my comment on your talk page. TeckWiz is 12 yrs old^TalkContribs_{# of Edits} 00:15, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit summary & bot edits

Can you please shorten your bot's edit summary. If nothing else, you could remove the redundant link to the bot's talk page, since it RDRs here. Also I thought AWB was explicitly not for bots. It still says, "edits made using this software are the responsibility of the editor using it." So you shouldn't have to apologise for the possibility of mistakes in your edit summary, any more than you would in your own manual unassisted edits.

Its edits in fact are nothing like what is described at Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/STBot which only mentions category work. --pfctdayelise (translate?) 01:19, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

If you expect people to know that they should edit a redirect, then you expect rather a lot. pfctdayelise (translate?) 02:10, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] spaces or lack thereof

I was going over my watchlist this evening and noticed that one user had added spaces and your bot had subsequently removed them. I figure it's a MOS buggery or something, but I'm not sure why we need a bot going through attacking blank lines. I rather like the idea of separating text visually. Exactly how many pages are you doing this to? ... aa:talk 05:03, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not ssure why it did that, probably a bug, but it shouldn't have edited that page at all, I'll go over the settings and see if there's a better wat to keep it from doing that. Thanks for letting me know! ST47Talk 10:53, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AWB mistake

Please read the talk page for AWB. We do not want automatic Unicodification of mathematics pages. The bot is being changed to avoid these without intervention, but meanwhile you are responsible for undoing what you have done, and for not allowing the bot to do it any more. The page that brought this to my attention is Boolean algebras canonically defined, which I have already reverted. Thanks. --KSmrq^T 05:58, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Hitler Youth

Hey, KID, you are the real vandal! Spinoza1111 10:25, 15 October 2006 (UTC)