Talk:St. Stephen's College, Delhi

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Contents 1 Unsourced addendum 2 Citations and NPOV 3 Faculty Lists 4 Wikified Format 5 Long Lists

[edit] Unsourced addendum

The following recently added section has been removed:

• Current Leadership
  • Dr. Anil Wilson is heading St. Stephens College these days and is doing a wonderful job. A controversy arose which almost made him resign when he refused admission to a student on the behest of the Bishop of the parent Church. Finally the bishop backed down and Dr. Wilson is still in office.

This is potentially defamatory both to Dr Wilson and to the Bishop. Moreover it's unsourced. If it can be reliably sourced, fine, but meanwhile it shouldn't be there. --Tony Sidaway 07:02, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Here is the source

http://www.hindu.com/2005/09/04/stories/2005090409990300.htm =Bhannu 13:48, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

This "source" provides no collaboration of what you are trying to put into the article. ImpuMozhi 14:08, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

It is corroboration. Read this http://www.tribuneindia.com/2005/20050906/delhi.htm#4 =Bhannu 05:41, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Citations and NPOV

A number of issues need to be addressed:

• The article needs to be re-written in a neutral style. See NPOV.
• This is not an alumni site. It is about the college (and in an encylopaedia at that); consequently, it needs information about the college as it exists today (in addition to history etc). For example, it doesn't say anything about enrollment numbers, but has endless lists of alumni. The sentence, "It has, over time, produced a large and influential network of alumni ..." does not belong to an introductory paragraph.
• It needs citations. You can't say, "St. Stephen's is India's premier institution ...," without substantial citations, and even then it should read "... is one of India's premier institutions ..."

Cedershingle 17:31, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

About (1), if there's a problem, it'll be fixed in time, and as more people edit. (2) is true enough in terms of the fact that the article needs expansion. I've added a stub. The alumni sentence should stay, though, because that's what sets this college apart. (It certainly doesnt seem to be anything else.) (3)Put in a few citations. Probably a few better available, and I'll add them when I have time. Hornplease 21:17, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Faculty Lists

Please no faculty lists. Those are already there on the college website. It is enough to refer to them. Please see other websites: Trinity College, Cambridge, Harvard University, Presidency College, Calcutta. Faculty lists are contrary to the recommended Wiki style for college pages. Noiresque 02:05, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikified Format

I have Wikified the first paragraph and added a box with college crest etc. Note Stephanian means both current and former students of the college. Does someone have enrollment numbers for both undergrads and post-grads? Also, faculty strength? If so, please enter that in the first paragraph as the third sentence. Also, does someone have the India Today rankings from 2005 and 2005? The ratings that I've seen in recent years, has St. Stephen's in the top 5 or 6, which is great. But no need to give an old rating from 1998. Noiresque 03:51, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I checked India Today on the web. The top ten lists from recent years are only available to subscribers, but you can guess the top few from the sentence or two that are available. See [1] for 2004 (which doesn't mention SSC) and [2] for 2005 (which does mention SSC). The latest open access issue seems to be 2000 (for which SSC was ranked 5 in the arts and 2 in the sciences). I'm adding the links for 2005 and 2000 to the article. Noiresque 16:25, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I've added some text (intro and motto)and copy edited the rest. I changed the section headings "Influence before independence" and "Influence after independence" into one section called "A Larger Role". Some minor points: changed "discussed with the new Principal the possibility of ...." to "discussed with Principal Rudra ..." since in 1914, Rudra (according to my calculation) was hardly new. Also, the Kenya+OAY guy was not quite a head of state; he was a prime minister, but "3 heads of states" rolls off the tongue a lot quicker than "2 presidents and a prime minister" .... Noiresque 22:39, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Long Lists

I've created a new page, Stephanians and moved the alumni lists over to that page. As you know long lists (this one > 70) are frowned upon in Wikietiquette. See Wikipedia:Embedded_list. I think this will be good because the college will have two pages that will link to each other. Noiresque 07:36, 2 October 2006 (UTC)