Talk:St. Louis Blues (hockey)

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I think the list of coaches is incomplete. Jacques Martin is not listed and he was the coach of the Monday Night Miracle team! There should also be a more complete description of the Monday Night Miracle.

Gretzky played for the Blues in 1995-96 a trade deadline acquisition.

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Check those facts before submitting =) vudu 03:24, 14 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Contents 1 St. Louis Blues vs. The St. Louis Blues 2 Current Stars 3 List of St. Louis Blues players 4 Hall of Fame listings 5 Uniform colors 6 Chicago influence 7 Young, Tkachuk & ?? 8 General query: What is a single member of the St. Louis Blues called?

[edit] St. Louis Blues vs. The St. Louis Blues

This is very awkward, having the hockey team at St. Louis Blues and the tune at the curiously punctuated 'Saint Louis Blues'. If no one has a serious objection, I'd like to make this a disambiguation page, moving the team to saySaint Louis Blues (hockey) and the song to Saint Louis Blues (music). -- Infrogmation 18:51, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I agree it is awkward to have the National Hockey League team at St. Louis Blues and the tune at 'Saint Louis Blues'. However, to be fair and consistent with other professional sports teams e.g. National Hockey League, they are listed as geographic location followed by nickname.

One possibility might be to use The St. Louis Blues for 'Saint Louis Blues' per Image:ColumbiaLabelBSmith.jpg.

St. Louis blues uses a footnote for 'Saint Louis Blues'.

24.217.219.69 04:28, 21 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback. The usual policy is that when a title can refer to more than one thing that title is made into a disambiguation page. I think that's what is needed here. While I'm not overly fond of explanitory words in parenthesis after the title, such is a pretty common way of doing things, and I can't think of anything that's clearer. I'm open to suggestions if someone thinks some other wording would be better than "(hockey)" and "(music)". Cheers, -- Infrogmation 04:53, 21 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I've made the moves and turned Saint Louis Blues into a disambiguation page. I've fixed the majority of the links already, and am getting the rest bit by bit (help in this is welcome). -- Infrogmation 21:22, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC)

While the usual policy may be to disambiguate, I agree that consistency and fairness are equally important. No current National Hockey League team uses "(hockey)", a term you are "not overly fond of". Although "Saint Louis, Missouri" is commonly abbreviated "St. Louis", St. Louis Blues is listed alphabetically after San Jose Sharks by the National Hockey League. Therefore, they might not consider it an abbreviation of Saint Louis Blues. With W. C. Handy's "Saint Louis Blues" we can make this distinction. -- 24.217.211.99 19:53, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)

As I mention on User talk:24.217.211.99, I reverted your move of the hockey article from "St. Louis Blues (hockey)" to "St. Louis Blues", due to your improper procedure rather than just because we seem to have a disagreement as to the best way to disambiguate. If you think the page needs to be disambiguated or renamed differently, perhaps we need to get other opinions on the question elsewhere on wikipedia. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 23:20, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I think it's less a matter of official title than what term a typical user is going to look for (that's why we have Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names). In this situation I think the disambiguation page (and the redirect to it) will be most helpful to a typical reader. - Hephaestos|§ 18:05, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

There are better ways to disambiguate. See Wikipedia:Disambiguation#The disambiguation page.
24.217.211.99 14:52, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

St. Louis Blues should be a disambiguation page. It should not redirect to the hockey team. Nothing wrong with St. Louis Blues (hockey). It's a special-case name. If "New Orleans Jazz" were still a basketball team, the same might be required of it. Likewise if the Flyers were renamed the Philadelphia Experiment, or if the Avalanche were renamed the Colorado Front Range.-- Decumanus | Talk 18:53, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Exactly. "St. Louis Blues" is the name of more than one famous thing. -- Infrogmation 22:28, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

As a compromise Saint Louis Blues already is a disambiguation page, and St. Louis Blues disambiguates with Saint Louis Blues (music) as Wikipedia:Disambiguation#The disambiguation page. -- 24.217.211.99 19:10, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

24.217.211.99, Please stop your unilateral moves, which I have not been the only one to object to. I applaud your desire to have other people discuss the question, let's wait to move things around until we see if we can get some sort of consensus. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 22:12, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

The first unilateral move was 20:13, 23 Mar 2004 by none other than Infrogmation. -- 24.217.211.99 04:22, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Okay, I've started a poll at Talk:St. Louis Blues, which is where the request on Wikipedia:Requests for comment was linked to. I also, I hope, made the request for comment language more neutral. (If someone else, preferably someone not involved in the dispute previously, can do a better job of it I encourage them to do so). Anon, please make your case for what you wish to do on the talk page, not at the request for comment. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 22:25, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Current Stars

I'm as big a fan as anybody of my hometown Blues, but is Jeff Woywitka really worthy of "Current Stars" status? And for that matter, is Pronger worthy of "Not to be Forgotten?" Now hear me out - of the three players on that list before Pronger, we have two who have banners hanging at Savvis, and then Brett Hull, who is third on the all-time scoring list and is second on the all-time list for goals in a season (in addition to numerous other accomplishments), and he played here longer than Pronger. Just a thought. - Chris

Chris--I'd argue that Pronger, as a former Hart Trophy winner, probably deserves to be in the not to be forgotten category. He's probably also a future HOFer. I'd say he's not to be forgotten. Zeus1233 10:29, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Pronger is already listed in the Captains. Its redundant to list him in NTBF. Think of it this way: There are three listing: HOFers, Capts and NTBF (other/misc). ccwaters 11:03, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] List of St. Louis Blues players

I have started a List of St. Louis Blues players. It would be a great help if when adding players to the main Blues page, that the same player be added to the list. Thanks Masterhatch 14 August 2005

[edit] Hall of Fame listings

Wikipedia:WikiProject_Ice_Hockey/Team_pages_format contains the format for Hall of Fame listings, which provides that players must have played several seasons for the team in question, and those seasons have a material impact on their selection as Hall of Famers. None of the players reverted qualify. RGTraynor 08:28, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Uniform colors

Someone might add a mention somewhere of the period during which the team also had a stripe of red on their uniforms. I'd do it myself but I don't know the exact years this was in effect.Nahtmmm 18:02, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

The Blues wore the ugly Blue/Yellow/Red jerseys from the shortened 1995 season to the 97-98 season when the current jersey was introduced as the third jersey, only to be adopted as the main jersey in the 98-99 season. Check out NHLUniforms.com. sseagle 10:34, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chicago influence

A few nits to pick. For one thing, the Eagles' stay in the NHL was brief and abortive -- it would be like citing the Philadelphia Quakers in any discussion of the Flyers' history. For another, the St. Louis Braves weren't around for "many" years; they existed for four. For a third, the phrasing implied that Arthur Wirtz was supportive of St. Louis big league hockey ambitions, when the truth was that he demanded a St. Louis team (when no local group had applied for a franchise) to buy the local arena he owned as the price of his support for the 1967 expansion. RGTraynor 20:46, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Young, Tkachuk & ??

Now that Captain Dallas Drake and alterenat captain Barret Jackman are done for the season (2005-06), there are now three alternate captains in the lineup. There's Scott Young, Keith Tkachuk and Who? There has to be at least 3-letter players (A's) GoodDay 19:48, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Watched a Blues game, and I think I saw McAmmond wearing an 'A' (though I'm not sure). I've added McAmmond to the alternate captains section. If anyone disagree, simply reverse my edit. GoodDay 16:17, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] General query: What is a single member of the St. Louis Blues called?

I'm working on the English plural article, specifically the section on Plurals (and singulars) of headless nouns. The question is: What is a lone member of the Blues called? A Blues? A Blue? Or does one write about them so as to avoid ever, ever constructing a sentence in which that comes up? I gather the team name is based on the classic song and not directly on the color, so it might be deemed more "correct" for the singular version to be "Blues" rather than "Blue"; the issue, however, isn't what's grammatically "correct," it's what--if anything--is actually used. Thanks very much. Dan —DCGeist 17:59, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

A "Blue." RGTraynor 19:02, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

A "Blue-Note" Zanter 26 August 2006 (UTC)

A "Blue." A player who used to play for the team is called either "a former Blue," or "a former member of the Blues" because of that exact awkwardness. 128.252.89.243 15:56, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

a hockey player. ccwaters 16:48, 15 September 2006 (UTC)