Talk:Srbe na vrbe!

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The tone of the article and some of the claims are problematic. --Elephantus 04:30, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

you have toi say what you dispute. cite for beatings of serb refuges is un report, it lists beatings so i removed {fact}

Read the WP:NPOV and WP:V, please. --Elephantus 11:06, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

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The last paragraph of the article goes like this:

This cry can be heard even in present day, with rising hostility against the Serbs - there was an instance of graffiti in 2006, [2] and one Ortodox church has been recently vandalized [3]. In the time when Croatia tries to woo EU into admitting it in its ranks, and EU demands return of some of the expelled Serbs, some Croatians oppose the return of Serbs with such manifestations of hatred. Two elderly Serb returnees were beaten [4] and there were attacks on Serbian vehicles and passengers entering Croatia.

Aside from the instance of graffiti, no other cases of violence mentioned here are related to the slogan Srbe na vrbe. I'll wait a couple of days, and if no justification is provided for keeping them, I'll delete them. --Zmaj 17:35, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

they are related to a wider campagn that explains why now, 11 years after the war, there is a rise in appearace of this ustasha cry. it provides background, as it is not a sole example of sick hatred against the serbs in present day croatia. Mozart1783 06:13, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Srbe na vrbe is a slogan calling for murder. Aside from the graffiti, the acts listed in the above paragraph are acts of vandalism and violence, but do not indicate a murderous intent. Therefore, linking such acts with that slogan is a POV action, since it makes the unfounded assumption of a murderous intent. For this reason, the text must be removed. --Zmaj 07:05, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Thats ridicilous. You removed references about vandalization of the church by this cry, about sport events... As for what you say about "calling for murder" that is utter nonsense. It is a call for hate, just like so many other manifestations of croat hate for serbs. Murder comes from hate, and yes, serbs have been murdered recently in croatia just because they were serbs. they were beaten up, old serbs who live in zagreb, just because they are serbs. that has nothing to do with this cry, but it does with the appaling hatred croats always had for serbs, and this cry in croatia is about hate and balkan primitivizm of croats who hate serbs. have you no shame for removing all references to what your copatriots do? Mozart1783 14:18, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

This article is called "Srbe na vrbe", not "Instances of hatred against Serbs in contemporary Croatia". Please remember that we are writing an encyclopedia here. This article is supposed to be about the slogan, not about the beatings of Serbs. If you want to write about the instances of hatred against Serbs, please find the appropriate place for it. --Zmaj 14:50, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I see you removed all my changes, but challenged only some of them. Please refrain from blanket reverts and try to think about the reasons I provided for each of my changes. --Zmaj 14:58, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

context is relevant, and should be kept. Mozart1783 15:08, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I am glad you have provided references for the sports games. Now the article is better. However, I insist on removing this part, because, as I already explained, it has nothing to do with the slogan:

In the time when Croatia tries to woo EU into admitting it in its ranks, and EU demands return of some of the expelled Serbs, some Croatians oppose the return of Serbs with such manifestations of hatred. Other manifestations of such hatred include beating of Serb returnees^[1], attacks on Serbian vehicles and passengers entering Croatia, attacks on Serbian journalists etc.

You said context is relevant, and should be kept. This makes no sense. How can you determine what is the valid context and what is not? From what I can see, you are simply choosing the context that best suits your POV. I am not claiming you are doing it in bad faith, but it is a fact that your "context" is subjective and therefore unencyclopedic. This is why that paragraph must not be included. --Zmaj 06:44, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

So, what is the relevant context? Why now is there a rise in violence against the Serbs? I can see that you can claim POV, yet if you remove it, you cant say article is still POV. You cant have it two ways. So, Ill remove the POV tag, or restore the text. Mozart1783 16:31, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I think it's OK now. You can remove the tag. --Zmaj 06:33, 26 May 2006 (UTC)