Talk:SpiralScouts International

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Scouting Wiki Project SpiralScouts International is part of the Scouting WikiProject, an effort to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to Scouting and Guiding on the Wikipedia. This includes but is not limited to boy and girl organizations, WAGGGS and WOSM organizations as well as those not so affiliated, country and region-specific topics, and anything else related to Scouting. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.
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[edit] Scouting

SSI is not a Scouting organization. --evrik 16:44, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

While not a WOSM or WAGGS member, I would have to say that SSI is a scouting organization. They were formed when the BSA declined to recognize the Wicca religious program, thus they are a direct alternative scouting program. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 13:58, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

They are specifically included in the project as a Non-aligned Scouting organization. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 11:38, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Move

The official name is SpiralScouts, with no space. See their legal statememts page. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 13:58, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

  • I didn't see it listed on the page. I support. --evrik 14:02, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
  • as that is what they call themselves, it only makes sense. Rlevse 11:43, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Since this is a simple spelling issue, I'm going to speedy this move. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 12:40, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Redirects cleaned up. Leaving redirect page in place, as this appears to be a common misspelling. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 13:02, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notability established.

I'm using the proposed guidelines for notability at Wikipedia:Notability (organizations), which state: "Organizations are usually notable if the scope of activities are national or international in scale and information can be verified by a third party source."

SpiralScouts are national in scope (check) and verified by third party sources (check), see BoingBoing, the Metro Times Detroit, the Eugene Register-Guard, and oh what fun, the Cybercast News Service.

So I'm removing evrik's bogus questionable-notability template. — Coelacan | talk 22:21, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not convinced. Why don't you clean-up the article and add some references into the article? --evrik (talk) 23:20, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
As noted in the lead, SpiralScouts are international. The article needs work by an informed editor, but I don't believe that the notability tag is appropriate here. If you are really unconvinced of notability, put it up for deletion and we can vote on it. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 03:00, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
evrik, it doesn't matter if you're not convinced. The guidelines for notability have been objectively met, and I gave the citations in my comment above. It would be great if somebody cleaned up the article, but in the meantime, your notability tag is coming down. — Coelacan | talk 04:44, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
  • ummm ... two of the sources cited are duplicates.

From its grassroots beginnings, the organization has now spread to 20 states, Canada and Europe. Chapters exist as far away as Switzerland and also thrive, according to Callahan, “in places you wouldn’t expect, like Arkansas and Oklahoma.” To date, 127 different groups have been chartered, and Callahan estimates that around 60 are currently active, involving about 600 people ... [1]

Is that what passes for a national or international group? I am unconvinced about the notability of this group. The article has serious issues. I believe it has {{copyvio}}, is poorly written, is not sourced, and needs to be wikified. The ONLY reason i don't tag it for deletion is to give someone a chance to improve the article. --evrik (talk) 05:40, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

  • From the article:

As of 2006 units exist in 20 U.S. states, some Canadian provinces, and parts of Europe.

Is this the suspected copyvio? --Gadget850 ( Ed) 11:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, copyvio and poor writing has nothing to do with notability. Here are our notability guidelines: Wikipedia:Notability (organizations). If you can pick out some specific problem where this article fails to meet those guidelines, then you have a case. I have already shown that the article meets the specific guidelines, so you do not have a case, and you are adding the notability tag merely to be disruptive. Do not persist. — Coelacan | talk 19:45, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

  • I was going to give you a chance to improve the article. I just tagged the copyvio. --evrik (talk) 19:55, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
You do realize that a copyvio tag means that you believe that 'every part of this article is in violation? Including the parts that you added? See the Instructions at Wikipedia:Copyright problems.--Gadget850 ( Ed)
  • Yeah, I do. The rest of the article was plagiarized as well (except what i added). This article has been problematic for a while, it was just a decision oif which way to tag it for deletion, since no one was interested in improving it. --evrik (talk) 20:04, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Copyvio

  • I still do not see the alleged copyright violation. Please provide the text in the article vs. the perceived source. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 20:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
  • The entire Structure section was copied from another website. It hasn't been attibuted properly. The entire first portion was copied as well. --evrik (talk) 20:04, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Then simply delete it, mark the edit summary with "copyvio" and the URL of the site.
The copyvio tag is for an entire page and does not work for sections. When you use it, you are supposed to blank the entire page and replace it with only the copyvio tag. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 20:12, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Done. --evrik (talk) 20:34, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Version

Great!. Now we can start on the new version! Talk:SpiralScouts International/Temp --Gadget850 ( Ed) 20:41, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
  • It's a good start ... but I still wonder about {{notability}} --evrik (talk) 02:16, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Put it up for AfD and let's vote on it! --Gadget850 ( Ed) 02:28, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notability

I went ahead and fixed the page. I'm still concerend about notability. --evrik (talk) 17:56, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

As I understand it, whichever committee that works copyright issues is supposed to do that. Once the tag is applied, editors are not supposed to make changes. Tag it for deletion if you want and we will vote on it. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 18:01, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

  • I didn't know about the committee thing. I'm not going to mark it {{afd}} today. I am still reserving judgement. --evrik (talk) 18:08, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
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