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Contents 1 Message to new editors 2 Venom pic okay now? 2.1 Venom for children?! 3 Danny Elfman 4 christmas eve 5 Venom vs. Captain America 6 Article cleanups 7 Footage comparison 8 John and Tobey 9 Production photos 10 Children's books 11 why? 12 userboxes 13 Poll 14 Resolution 15 Premiere coverage

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[edit] Message to new editors

As with any other article on Wikipedia, Spider-Man 3 should have a high standard of verifiability. When you include new information about the film, the information needs to be verifiable by other editors. To do this, include where you got the information from by citing accordingly. (My recommendation is to use the Cite news or the Cite web template for citing your source.) Also, the citation must be a reliable source. Ideally, the best information comes from those who are from the studio and not anonymous — the director, the producers, the screenwriters, the cast, and so forth. Sources of information that do not count as reliable sources include blogs, scooper reports, forums, etc. If you are unsure about whether or not to include certain information, just ask about it on the talk page, and we will help you determine if it's worthy of inclusion.

Regarding footage of Venom, the editors of this article have reached a census through discussion that leaked Comic-Con footage of Venom in any form cannot be added to the article, since Sony has taken steps to remove the footage from many sites. In addition, while Venom was shown briefly as part of a series of Spider-Man 3 clips on FOX in November, the quality was not sufficient enough to include a screenshot of Venom from the FOX clip. Also, the leaked footage of a Venom statuette as well as the leaked computer-generated creation of Venom cannot be added. When a clear shot is available from footage/images meant for the public, we can discuss on the talk page about including the image. If there are any questions or comments about any of what I've said above, please respond below in this section. --Erik (^talk/_contrib) @ 23:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Venom pic okay now?

Well, it's apparant Venom is in the film, based on the footage released on Sony's official Spider Man 3 blog. Now that a still frame of Venom can be seen on the Spider Man movie website, is it not reasonable to add this pic of Venom to the S3 article? Thought I'd throw that bone out there for you guys. For those who missed the link, here it is again: http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/spiderman3/blog/archives/2006/11/check_out_a_sneak_peek_of_spid.php Veracious Rey 21:15, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

On second thought, the single frame isn't a very good shot. Mostly teeth. Veracious Rey 21:22, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't think so, this pic I took from slowing down the trailer isn't bad, I hosted it on my site, [1] feel free to use it 19:41, 1 December 2006 wikimindless (UTC)(04:00, 1 December 2006 (UTC))

We won't. Thanks anyway. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 04:06, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, maybe the venom pic shouldn't be put on the site, it is not good qualtiy, but who put the banner at the top saying THIS PAGE DOESN'T DISCUSS LEAKED VENOM FOOTAGE. We were just discussing if it would be right for the article. The footage isn't Leaked, it was on national TV. On fox, thanksgiving day. The video was even posted on Marvel's OWN website Can somebody remove the banner? wikimindless19:41, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

The banner isn't talking about that. It means we don't discuss it like we are a forum. (i.e. WOW! Did you see that awesome footage of Venom? Hell yeah, it's going to be sweeeet!). Bignole 19:45, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

You know in the first clip when you slow it down, it's good quality. (68.192.242.97 00:27, 4 December 2006 (UTC))

No it isn't. He's on the screen for like 3 frames, to the naked eye all you see is his mouth open, and when you go frame by frame it's slightly blurred in the best frames. Also, we can't just have a pic of Venom as "eyecandy" it must be supported by fair-use. Since he's a comic character we'll need a full shot of him, not just his head, to compare to the other incarnations of Venom. Bignole 00:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah. It's a suckass rendering that I'm sure Sony and whoever else don't want to highlight. Wait until they show us something they're proud of, and show it clearly. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 05:05, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Ace, we should wait until a definitive photo is released by Sony. Patience is a virtue some of us could stand to acquire. A good pic of Venom will come eventually. Veracious Rey 19:28, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Venom for children?!

If you are interested...

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/ChibiKiriyama/FinalizedLook.jpg http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d177/ChibiKiriyama/PossibleSpoiler.jpg

Both are covers for children's books that Sony has allowed Amazon to advertise with. The Venom in the first is quite clear, though off in the concept art closeness. The second is smaller but almost completely anatomically correct to the controversial 'leaked images'. Both sport the official movie logo, as does the other merchandise based on the film. I'm not sure if it qualifies being that artistic license may be used in it, but it's still rather accurate. The Chibi Kiriyama

"First image is probably fake. Not sure of the second.--SUIT 05:16, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Here are two links to amazon. Both are for future books. The second one is for the image that Chibi posted (the first image). They could actually be worth mentioning in the merchandise section (if they are real). http://www.amazon.com/Spider-Man-3-Movie-Storybook/dp/0060837233/sr=8-6/qid=1165555771/ref=pd_bbs_sr_6/102-2717080-6708963?ie=UTF8&s=books

http://www.amazon.com/Spider-Man-Venom-N-T-Raymond/dp/0060837195/sr=8-11/qid=1165555771/ref=pd_bbs_sr_11/102-2717080-6708963?ie=UTF8&s=books Bignole

Here are some more. I think they are running short stories for kids, based on the film (probably won't be released till close to the films date).

http://www.amazon.com/Spider-Man-Spider-Mans-New-Suit/dp/0060837187/sr=8-22/qid=1165556402/ref=sr_1_22/102-2717080-6708963?ie=UTF8&s=books

http://www.amazon.com/Spider-Man-Meet-Heroes-Villains-Read/dp/0060837217/sr=8-1/qid=1165556555/ref=sr_1_1/102-2717080-6708963?ie=UTF8&s=books (this one corrisponds to Chibi's second link) Bignole 05:42, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

We can include information about these books being published, but I don't think the information is notable enough for the film article to warrant inclusion of book covers. --Erik (^talk/_contrib) @ 06:10, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh no, that'd be too many images (would never get a fair-use rational for those). I was simply providing links to the amazon section to prove that, in the least, Amazon is selling these things. Bignole 12:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

When Venom is even being considered kid friendly enough for *expletive* like this, you know the guys at merchandising have gone too far. I'm not positive on the validity or relevance, but I wouldn't be surprised if they're real, either. For now, just a mention in the merchandise section will do. Much like a "Spider-Man (film) joke book", this has little barring on the movie or how it will look. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 21:19, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I added the 4 books that I found on Amazon (not sure if there are more, didn't see them), and ThuranX (thanks BTW) bulleted them, since they are all by the same publisher. Bignole 22:21, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Danny Elfman

Surprise, surprise. Superhero Hype! just posted this news about Danny Elfman. It looks like we may have to change the information under the Film Score section because, as Grant Curtis has stated, Danny Elfman is working with Christopher Young on Spider-Man 3. Source: http://superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=4962 - Dam-itch 03:36, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I changed it when it first was announced. Bignole

Well, to me, that was untrue. That is exactly why I posted it. From what I saw, it still said

"Film score Composer Danny Elfman did not return for the third installment of Spider-Man because of difficulties with director Sam Raimi. Elfman said that he had a "miserable experience" working with Raimi on Spider-Man 2 and could not comfortably adapt his music.[36] Instead of reprising his role as composer for Spider-Man 3, Elfman took on the project of composing for Charlotte's Web.[37] Christopher Young scores Spider-Man 3 in Elfman's vacancy.[38]" Dam-itch 07:29, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Check the history. The only thing that I didn't change was the infobox, and you took care of that. Bignole 14:22, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

What the heck happened? Did Raimi and Elfman kiss and make up? --Erik (^talk/_contrib) @ 14:31, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I have no idea, but weren't the Elfman comments like months, if not almost a year ago? I know they were when we were first getting this page together and didn't even have Topher's character set. I just know that on the webblog Grant says both Elfman and Young are working together. Bignole 14:36, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] christmas eve

on christmas eve there might be new clips and interveiws for spider-man 3 on fox on the 24th with spider-man.they might be showing new stuff or the same thing we saw on thanksgiving —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.21.240.238 (talk • contribs) 19:13, December 6, 2006 (UTC)

What?--SUIT 23:14, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Do you have a source for the new clips that will be shown on Christmas Eve, 75.21.240.238? We can include that information in the article if you can give us a citation. --Erik (^talk/_contrib) @ 23:25, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Erik, looks from his comment like he's just speculating. "there might be new clips", "they might be showing new stuff or...[not]". Frankly, this looks like something a pre-adolescent wrote. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 00:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Ah, holiday feature assumption. Gotcha. But "pre-adolescent", Ace? Do we need to hammer your teeth out so you don't bite no more? --Erik (^talk/_contrib) @ 01:05, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Me brings the sledgehammer. And the Beer. Stop biting, Ace ... like rabies with him some days. ThuranX 01:08, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, okay. It looks confusing, SUIT will surely attest to that. And don't you start, X. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 01:10, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate the...err...intention,—assuming good faith here—GIPU, but this talk page isn't a forum. If new footage is clearly shown, I'm sure there will be a note of it somewhere. In the meantime, it'd be better if we kept or hopes and/or theories to ourselves. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 00:40, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

well i got my information at countingdown.com. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.21.240.238 (talk • contribs).

Ok, I found the original posting at CountingDown.com, and tracked it down to the more official Comics Continuum. I'll include it in the article, so thanks for the heads-up. So how about that, Ace? --Erik (^talk/_contrib) @ 17:48, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I've added the information in. I don't know if the Spider-Man 3 material will be the same as what was shown on Thanksgiving or show completely new material since the citation doesn't say (I bet on the latter), I left it open-ended. Hopefully, there will be clarification and more detail about this. --Erik (^talk/_contrib) @ 17:55, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Venom vs. Captain America

I think I say the news say venom and captain america make an appearance in this film. I know venom does. Can it be said the captain does, too? Boggydark 00:41, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Not sure what news you were watching but I don't think so. Bignole 00:52, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

God...the rumors keep coming. I have absolutely no idea where they could have gotten that idea. Frankly, I'd be surprised just to see a news station comment on this movie, let alone say something like that. At best, I could only see there being a passing reference to CM, but even that is unlikely. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 00:59, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I haven't heard anything either, and I follow news on this film pretty closely. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 01:03, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Something was said about a crossover story, I think. They said Captain A would make a cameo. Is channle 9 news normally correct? Boggydark 02:12, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

This might have been in reference to Civil War comic book cross-over (in which Spider-Man and Captain America are key players) instead of this particular film. Believe me, any "Captain America" news would be all over the Internet by now. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 02:25, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

If true this, is indeed sad. Why add Captain america? It can only hurt Spidey in the longrun with extra badies and friends. He is okay for now without the exta story lines. Do you all agree? Let's keep things simple. They did say the movie is what captain america is part of not the comics. Boggydark 02:26, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

That's fine, but let's conclude the discussion here... we try not to encourage general discussion on the talk page as it's policy to keep dialogue focused on improving the respective article. Thanks. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 02:33, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

AHHH! No news is here! Thanks for the haeds up on looking this up guys. I'm here is you need help with the article edits. Shoot me a message! Ace thanks! Boggydark 02:37, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article cleanups

I do see some clean ups needed for the spiderman3 article. Can I help you guys. I'll start whenever. Boggydark 02:40, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

What do you think needs to be tidied up? What are your suggestions for doing so? Bignole 02:48, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I will make pictures bigger. They will then be better, and all will see them better. Also new pic of Venomin needs to be added quickly. How can this be that Venom is not in the article yet. Erikster and Ace Class can help me Bignole. Boggydark 02:51, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Standard picture size is 250px. Also, it was discussed and we decided we wouldn't include Venom until we had a good picture and encompassed his whole body. Bignole 03:01, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I read article, I see now it is good. Sorry for mistakes. Something else, though. If Venom is a shape shifter, then why does he climb walls and not fly? Spidey did use his webs in the first comic, years ago to stop this. This didn't help, so is that why Venom keeps coming at him? Will they use this in the movie? Boggydark 03:47, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia's talk page guidelines. We want to avoid general discussion about topics that do not help improve the article. You should read Wikipedia's articles on Venom and elsewhere for your answers. If you continue initiating general-discussion topics such as the one above, we will need to remove these comments to discourage the talk page from backsliding into a fanboy forum. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 03:50, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I am so sorry. I will go away. Boggydark 03:53, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Maybe someone should remove the lie about John Jameson bringing back the symbiote. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 222.153.27.189 (talk • contribs) 06:39, December 13, 2006 (UTC)

The information about Jameson was cited in a magazine article. It's hard to take the word of an editor (especially anonymous) over a magazine. Do you have a citation for your claim that Jameson does not bring back the symbiote? —Erik (talk • contrib) - 12:10, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Footage comparison

I hate to broach this topic, but I'd like to address the screenshot comparison between Spider-Man 3 and Spider-Man: The Animated Series under the Footage section. Since there was discussion at Batman Begins to remove original research comparisons between the Batman film and other Batman media, there seems to be a similar situation here. While the comparison image is supportive of the connection drawn, it still violates the policy of no original research. (For example, making a frame comparison of similar scenes in Batman Begins and Year One wouldn't further authenticate what is still original research.) The comparison information also seems out of place under the Promotion section. Thoughts or comments about how to address the footage comparison? —Erik (talk • contrib) - 20:32, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I remember when we first put that up there, and my campaign for it, but under the circumstances with Batman, I have to agree that it probably needs to be removed, along with any comparison in that section. Bignole 20:34, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

It's unfortunate, though. Though the current article doesn't leave much room for a mention of "similarities", the film clearly tales notes from the cartoon. Ah well. I guess I'm for removal. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 22:22, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

The difference is that Batman Begins is post-release and Spider-Man 3 is pre-release. This information might encourage further original connections upon and beyond release. I'll remove it, but maybe if someone from the studio cites the style of The Animated Series as an influence later on, the image can be re-added with an actual citation. So I guess someone could save it? (At a lab computer now.) —Erik (talk • contrib) - 22:24, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I just took care of it, saved a copy on my computer. I'll go ahead and remove it. Bignole 22:27, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] John and Tobey

Well, according to several adament GIPUs and one supposed interview with Tobey Maguire, John Jameson will, to quote one GIPU, "NOT" bring back the Venom symbiote. Now, I hope the GIPUs, will forgive my skepticism, but I call major BS. I'm not sure what brings on this strange fan backlash, but it's getting tiresome. We have clear citation of our assertion and I know at least one standard editor following fSm3 news would have mentioned the "interview". Those trying to counter the citation simply delete and make argumentitive, commentary-like edits within the article space. I just happened to find a forum thread where people seem to denounce the idea of JJ Jr. bringing back the symbiote. Go fig. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 06:03, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

John Jameson does NOT bring back the symbiote!!! You're imformation has NO source!!!! You are getting this from the cartoon!! NOT ONCE in ANY interview did ANY one involved state that John brings back the symbiote! He's not even in the movie!!! Get you facts straight! You're posting utter BS. It will come from an asteriod! There was an article a few months back where a guy who worked for this film said it will come from an asteriod. He said other information BEFORE the trailers and the information he gave was proved in the trailers. You are posting lies and you have no proof what so ever. Once the movie is realised or it is stated in an interview, you will be shot down. I can't believe you getting you info from a forum!!! There was no such interview in Empire. Even if there was, a Irish Press said there had been test screenings, and that turned out to be a lie. Read for yourself! http://boards.sonypictures.com/spiderman/showthread.php?p=180400#poststop —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 222.153.27.189 (talk • contribs) 06:30, December 13, 2006 (UTC)

First of all, tune down that attitude. You're getting emotion get in the way of your judgment. Now, the information about John Jameson came from Empire magazine's "Ultimate Superhero Preview" coverage: "Just in case you're wondering, Venom is actually a symbiotic alien, brought back to Earth by astronaut John Jameson (son of Daily Bugle proprietor J. Jonah Jameson, last seen in Spider-Man 2), which latches onto Parker, bonding with him and becoming his new costume. After the living suit - which no one knows is alive - tries to possess Parker, and is then rejected, it foists itself instead onto the emotionally fragile Brock, becoming a force to be reckoned with, a creature with all of Spider-Man's powers and none of his moral strictures." This information was in relation to the film, not general Spider-Man lore. Your information is not as reliable because it is only at the message boards. Maybe the information is incorrect, but the Empire citation supercedes your claims. Don't worry, if there's a verifiable source that explains that John Jameson isn't in the film and doesn't bring the symbiote from outer space, we'll update accordingly. Nothing to do with our personal preferences and everything to do with what can be verified. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 17:25, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

And jeez, I need to say it a second time... chill out! It's not the end of the flippin' world. You should be happy you have a pretty quality article about the film other than this Jameson issue. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 17:30, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

So I guess we have to wait until the film is released to prove you wrong. EVERYONE on every message baord on the web knows it doesn't come back with John Jameson. I have read a New Zealand article with Daniel Gillies stating his wasn't in Spoider-Man 3. I will try to find that article to prove I am right. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 222.153.27.189 (talk • contribs).

That would be TERRIFIC. We'll be here, waiting. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 20:14, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Daniel Gillies has been filming two movies and TV episode around the same time as shooting for Spider-Man 3. There is no way he could have filmed any scenes he may have had.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 222.153.27.189 (talk • contribs) on 20:35, December 13, 2006 (UTC); Please sign your posts!

Just to point out a discrepancy with that, Tom Welling has filmed movies at the time of filming Smallville. Obviously if Daniel is filming two movies and a TV show he's making time to do multiple jobs at once. We do not know the extent to which his character is or is not in the movie. He could very well just appear for the scenes that bring the symbiote to Earth, and that's it. James Marsden filmed his scenes for X-Men 3 at the same time he was filming Superman Returns. Bignole 20:39, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to prove you all wrong! You evil genius'! http://stuffdaddy.blogspot.com/2006/02/in-come-fakerswith-truth.html Good enough for you? Much more reliable than your 'Empire' magazine, or whatever it's called... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 222.153.27.189 (talk • contribs) 20:02, December 13, 2006 (UTC)

Your citation is a blog, which fails the reliable source standards. "Where does the symbiote come from? An astroid." Is that the knowledge that's supposed to topple us evil geniuses? Please go see Empire, which is the company that publishes the film magazine. Are you telling me your "STUFF DADDY" blog is more credible than that? —Erik (talk • contrib) - 00:15, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

That Stuff Daddy mentions nothing about where the symbiote comes from, so citing it seems irrelevant to your cause. And your initial source (Spider-Man forum) is two forum members going back and forth at what "THEY" think will happen. Bignole 00:25, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Empire has been wrong before! I have contacted Grant Curtis to clean-up this BS that's being posted. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 222.153.27.189 (talk • contribs) 22:36, December 13, 2006 (UTC)

I hope you did it on the Spider-Man 3 webblog that he responds on, because it will be hard to take the word of some copy and paste email. Bignole 02:44, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

It's now on Superherohype.com that the symbiote is indeed brought from space by Jameson. It came from a Tobey interview.

[edit] Production photos

I noticed the speedy deletion tag was removed for the lenticular teaser poster, so this discussion may be mute. But should the article have a "promotion photo" section, or something similar? I only ask because this link, http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1808496334/photo/stills, provides some good pics. I won't add them, I'll leave it to the rest of you guys to decide if they're article worthy. I know there was past discussion on whether or not the two reflection images of Good Spidey/Dark Spidey were legite (the ones where he is crouching on a ledge). Well apparantly they are. Some of the pics are old news, granted. But I haven't seen the newer ones advertised yet. Might be an interesting addition to the article. Past discusions have shown some editors don't take too kindly to too many pictures in an article. I tend to agree, but in this case a few more shots might be okay, especially is organized in a seperate section, maybe near the bottom of the article. Veracious Rey 17:03, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

If they are promotional photos released by Sony, and not just someone cateloging all the images they can find, then the proper citation and a link would be fine to add to the promotional section. Bignole 17:08, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, what do you think Bignole. Do you trust Yahoo? I don't think they would post the pics on their main movie page without proper authority to do so. If you think they're okay, I can add a secion, and if consensous is against me, I'll remove it. Veracious Rey 17:11, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Not sure how many more pictures we can include. See Wikipedia:Images#Image choice and placement, which says, "Images must be relevant to the article they appear in and be of sufficient notability (relative to the article's topic)." Depending on the interpretation of that one, it may not be appropriate to decorate the film article with promotional photos just because we can. I'd suggest making that link an external link with the label that it has promotional photos. Would want to keep links like that limited, though, since Wikipedia isn't a repository. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 17:17, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

It wasn't my intention to decorate the article with pictures. My plan was to add a second heading under "Promotion" , maybe titled "Promotion photographs" or something similar, and then add the pics with a description and link. Like I said, I don't have a problem with you guys reverting my edits if they don't fall under Wikipedia policy. I'm still a newbie of sorts. Just don't change them simply if you don't like them. This article is excellent compared to various other film articles, so I wouldn't want to detract from that. That's my main worry. Veracious Rey 17:25, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

The promotional photos have been generally replaced with screenshots from trailers, since they have shown more detail (as with Sandman and Harry "Night Surfer" Osborn). It's generally not preferred to provide external links within the article, instead citing them as a reference. Which places the link at the end of the article, anyway. I put it under External links for best terms of supplementary accessibility. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 17:34, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Are there more pics of Spidey, if so we should add all of tem. Spidey looks good flying in the pics, and computers make him look good. many pages have pics, why not more here too. like they say, a pic cost alot and adds even more value. Boggydark 17:50, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a repository of images, and all images must be able to prove fair use. Just adding images for eyecandy doesn't make it ok to add. Bignole 17:52, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Children's books

Is there another way we can write out information about the children's books? The fact that it's a list and also cites Amazon.com doesn't sit well with me. The books don't seem notable enough for such a list, and citing a commercial site doesn't seem like the best idea, even if it's done neutrally. Wish that the original SuperHeroHype.com article actually wrote about the books instead of going, "Here's the Amazon link, we're lazy to go in depth about the literature." Any ideas on formatting/citing the information better? —Erik (talk • contrib) - 00:35, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I originally had them all separated within the same sentence. As for Amazon, we use Amazon to cite Soundtracks, it would seem just as appropriate to use it since it lists the release dates and the publishers. There are apparently more than just 4 books. I think we rewrite it to say something to the effect of "Sony is releasing several children's books through Harper Entertainment Publishing, with a due date of April 1, 2007." Then use the SHH link and this link Entire List for the list of all the books together. This will get rid of the list (especially since there are more than just 4 books). I say list the Amazon link along with the SHH link so prove that the books do in fact exist. Bignole 01:16, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I can go for that. I'll implement the changes. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 01:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] why?

why cant I edit, you guys. I'm not hurting anything. Only helping. geeees. First I yelled at before, now more of the same. And Ass Class Shadow doesnt answer my letters. I may not be to smart sometimes, but I can help if i want too. All I ahve is this, okay, so please let me be a part. I cant stand to see them go, but if I must then someone show it. Boggydark 03:24, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

You're adding unreferenced information, personal opinions/speculations, and all around incorrect statements. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a place for such things. I'm sorry. Bignole 03:28, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, Bignole. tell me this. Why is it this way, and why cant they see if its right there in the article? That's why I put it in the article Boggydark 03:31, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Why can't you put whatever you want into an encyclopedia? I think that kind of answers itself. Who's Tammy? Not someone in this movie. Who cares if her boobs are big. We have a section on production, so putting "this movie has computers, and that's where all the money goes" is hardly coherent let alone constructive to the article. Bignole 03:34, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

If you want to become a better editor, it takes a lot of understanding of Wikipedia's policies. There are guidelines to adhere to: neutral point of view, citation of reliable sources for verifiability, the manual of style, and more. We the editors take our jobs seriously, and we want you to, as well. Writing "Her boobs are nice!" and similar opinionated statements into the article is not useful or informative to anyone. And you better hope Ace doesn't get wind of your incivility toward him. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 03:35, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

tag teamin me hard. One last question Bignole and Erik: should the article fall below standards, what precations are going? Seriously, should this be known, then it's important, right? Just asking.. Boggydark 03:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

What standards exactly are you basing this question on? I'm guess not a standard that sounds like "Good Article" status or "Featured Article" status. Bignole 03:40, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

what I'm saying is cant this be superimposed based on another articel. Standards would go up, I think. What's your thoughts? Boggydark 03:43, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

This article, I believe, is one of the most informative upcoming film articles on Wikipedia. This article should be a standard used by other upcoming film articles. It's well-cited, objective, and broad in scope. The only edits that are generally made to this article are either recent information (see Footage section) or minor copy-editing. It's a good piece of work resulting from the cooperation of a group of editors. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 03:45, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] userboxes

I believe the article would benefit from those userboxes I see everywhere. is their consensos? Tid bits of info here and there would excite readers, make wikipedia better. I'm doing my best to help out Boggydark 03:57, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Userboxes are for users on their user pages, not for articles. It's not necessary for you to find a way to help out. We tend to be pretty on top of things when it comes to news about this film. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 03:59, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Boggy, these would be a mess, and they aren't designed for the articles, but for USER pages. ThuranX 04:12, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I understand, I guess. Nothing seems to work around here unless you guys say so. Do you get paid? Probly a good job. I guess they need to pay editers to keep things going here. Boggydark 04:33, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Poll

Would all those interested please leave a remark on how this articel would be better from editing. You can leave your remarks below. After couple days, we can tally the results. This will help emensly. Boggydark 04:40, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

THis page would be better if new editors who seek out conflict would learn how to work with other editors instead. Wikipedia has policies against this sort of polling. Please read them. You have used up all the patience of two editors. If you burn through mine, I'll get an administrator to review your conduct. Thank you. ThuranX 04:52, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Show me rules that say polls are bad. Why are you so upset with me trying to improve spiderman? I beginning to give up. Boggydark 05:18, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

it's in that long list of pages to read about how Wikipedia works left for you on your talk page, in that welcome message. For starters, please read this section, then the entire page. ThuranX 05:29, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Resolution

I have a problem. I have been putting edits on the plot that Peter is asking MJ to marry him, in place of "Peter begins to grow overconfident, neglecting those who care for him." Peter is not overconfident. He's learned too much as Spider-Man from Uncle Ben and Aunt May. Besides, if he was doing something nasty before the symbiote came into his life, we would know about it by now. I thought I'd come here and talk things out before we get into a fight. 70.58.211.220 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.43.21.130 (talk) 14:48, 14 December 2006 (UTC).

First, if you look, our plot summary has citations based on what people connected to the film have said. You are adding original research, which isn't acceptable on Wikipedia. If you have a reliable source stating otherwise, we'd love to see it, otherwise your edits will be reverted based on Wiki's policy against Original research. Sorry. Bignole 15:50, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Anonymous editor, if you look at the citations, we have pieced together information as objectively as possible based on the information that has been offered, especially to avoid making any connections. The latest piece of information that we added was the Sandman story arc, which we took steps to make sure that Sandman was believed by the police to have killed Uncle Ben, but not to suggest outright that he was responsible. Now, what you've included is what Bignole has indicated — original research. It's too easy for anyone to watch the trailer(s) and start assuming connections. I mean, assuming the symbiote "deciding to get revenge"? Where did that come from? I could just as easily write that the symbiote went for the nearest host, which was Eddie, or some similar speculative statement. I'm not saying the Plot section is perfect (as another editor has contested the fact that John Jameson brings back the symbiote from space), but it's what we've pieced together based on actual citation with verifiable information from reliable sources. Just realize that in less than a half year, we'll have the section fully fleshed out, and we'll be debating over what details to include or not. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 16:41, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Mr. GIPU, and any other unregisteredpeople out there, you don't remove cited data on Wikipedia. You can add to data or change it as things become clearer. Hell, you can even remove the citation when the data has been proven. But never, as in "don't ever" remove cited data because you don't agree with it. That's a biased edit and goes agaiunst Wikipedia's policy of verifiability over accuracy. "Cite before right," as they say. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 20:11, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Still, guys, Peter says he's going to propose. I probably should have added it myself, but whatever. Just as we're taking Captain Stacy's word about the "evidence" against Sandman, we could include somewhere that Peter plans to propose. I mean, yeah, it's not the easiest detail to fit in, but it is relevant. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 20:11, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Premiere coverage

Premiere had exclusive coverage of the film on pages 62, 63, 64, 65, and 118. Plenty of information to work into the article. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 21:53, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Did they say Sandman's better than The Mummy? Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 00:17, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

They basically said that the visual effects for Sandman were so far ahead of The Mummy that it wasn't comparable at all. Scoffed at the idea, basically. There's a lot of interesting and detailed opinion here that would work really well in a fleshed-out Production section, not the bits and pieces we currently have. I think I might start digging up stuff about the movie being confirmed to be made and other details to start that off, as I didn't join the article until after these events already took place. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 00:20, 15 December 2006 (UTC)