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Sections to add and flesh out How Spanish verbs work ✓ Mood, tense and aspect — forms of the verb ✓ Non-finite forms ✓ The indicative ✓ The subjunctive ✓ The conditional ✓ The imperative ✓ Examples of verbs conjugated ✓ Moved to Spanish verb paradigm Use of verbs Contrasting simple and continuous forms ✓ Contrasting the present and the future ✓ Contrasting the preterite and the imperfect ✓ Contrasting the preterite and the perfect Contrasting the indicative and the subjunctive Contrasting the subjunctive and the conditional Contrasting the subjunctive and the imperative ✓ Contrasting the present and the future subjunctive ✓ Contrasting the preterite and the past anterior ✓ Contrasting ser and estar ✓ Contrasting haber and tener ✓ Use of the gerund Negation ✓ Expressing movement ✓ Glossary of simple Spanish verbs in the infinitive See List of Spanish verbs General aims Keep a logical structure whereby standard Spanish grammar is described in some detail, with deviations from this fully described in the proper section. Make proper references to traditional grammatical terminology, but favour the terminology and procedures of modern linguistics. Follow Real Academia recommendations, but making sure to specify where this may deviate from usage. Use italics for Spanish, and normal type for English. Convert lists to tables where appropriate

Contents 1 List of simple verbs 2 Requests 3 Near Future 4 Future 5 Future again 6 Perfective vs. Perfect 7 Linkspam

[edit] List of simple verbs

Beware the list has moved to a page on its own (List of Spanish verbs). Make your additions there. I moved the list because the main article was becoming really unwieldy. I've also moved the conjugation paradigm to Spanish verb paradigm. I'm thinking of moving the section on vowel-alternating verbs elsewhere, too. Wikipedia guidelines say an article should be no more than 32 KB and this is about 36 KB. --Pablo D. Flores 22:38, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Hey, should I add verbs that I know, even if I'm not sure if they're really simple? -Cookiemobsta 07:24, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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The list of simple verbs should not contain:

• Words which are not simple or not the most appropriate ones for a foreign learner of Spanish
• Gratuitously offensive words
• Dialectal words

I'd say this excludes chingar, a vulgar Mexican word included by an anon in order to shock.

If the vulgar, dialectal, secondary meaning of coger is to be given, then something of an equivalent register is required to translate it. "To have sex" really misses the mark. "To fuck" is a tad harsh. "To shag", or similar, is just right. Chamaeleon 10:24, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Requests

If anyone has any questions about Spanish verbs, put them here and I shall answer them in the article. Chamaeleon 02:19, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Isn't andar an irregular verb, because in the pretérito perfecto simple it's conjugated anduve not andé? And if it is, are there other verbs like it?

[edit] Near Future

This article is lacking of the near future (I'm going to go), which is prefered in South America over the Simple Future ("Esta noche voy a ir a bailar"/"Esta noche iré a bailar").

Perhaps it woud be also good to add a short comment on the preferences of use of the pasado simple (South America) and the pretérito perfecto ("Ayer fuí a bailar"/ "Ayer he ido a bailar").

Finally, the pretérito anterior continuo ("hubiera (hubiese) estado hablando") seams to me that exists, yet I haven't been able to find an example that couldn't be expressed in another splimpler form. -Mariano July 8, 2005 10:42 (UTC)

• Note: List of Spanish verbs has been moved to Wikitonary under the name list of all spanish verbs K-unit 15:38, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Future

Hi, I am a native Mexican Spanish speaker; I just wanted to make a comment about the section about the future conjugation of spanish:

I am not sure about other countries, but here in Mexico, the future tense is not often used to express a future idea (like in english I will go) But to express a desire to know something like in this example:

JUAN: María, Laura quiere hablar contigo. / in English: Maria, Laura wants to talk to you

MARÍA: ¿Qué querrá? / literally, in English: what will she want? But correctly translated: What do you think she wants?

[edit] Future again

I just went further into the article and it seems my previous comment is already observed here. Sorry!

[edit] Perfective vs. Perfect

I believe the term "perfective" has been used incorrectly to describe the tenses/aspects formed with haber. See Grammatical_aspect#Confusing_terminology:_perfective_vs._perfect.

"Perfective" refers to actions viewed as a simple whole, as opposed to actions viewed as a process (imperfective) and actions with a resulting later state or condition (perfect). Hence, the only necessarily "perfective" tense in spanish is the simple preterite (pretérito indefinido).

Unless i am completely misguided, the term "Perfective" as it currently appears on the page should be replaced with "Perfect," to correctly describe the Spanish perfecto.

I think you're right. I've seen the term "perfective" used to discuss more exotic languages, but only ever "perfect" in relation to Spanish. — Hippietrail 01:38, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Linkspam

Someone seems bent on including a link to www.helloworld.com.es in the external links section of this article (see the history). I have been deleting it (as have others) every time I return to see it. In my opinion it is irrelevant when they just link to the homepage of a site and you have to click throught several pages to actually find the conjugator and then, lo and behold, it's a 6Mb+ download instead of an online conjugator. What do you guys think? Should the link be included? If it is to be included, at least it should link directly to the download page (www.helloworld.com.es/english/downloads/spanishvm.htm) *and* clearly state that it is a download. This also might be a case of attemted self-promotion. LinguistAtLarge 15:13, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Mmm, someone should download it and give it a try. I haven't tried any on-line conjugator, but if they are any good, then there's no need of a 'downloadable' one. Mariano(t/c) 08:17, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Looks like the user has been blocked. Hopefully that will take care of the problem. LinguistAtLarge 05:38, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Pablo-Flores I am the guilty party for the above link to www.helloworld.com.es. My native language is English and when first coming to Spain I really had a hard time learning the Spanish Verbs. The online Spanish verb conjugators were great if you just wanted the answer, but to actually learn the verbs I found it alot easier with some form of testing, so I searched the internet until I found the above link. The software does not just give you the verbs fully conjugated but actually tests you to see whether you are able to conjugate the verbs.

I do apologise for not linking directly to www.helloworld.com.es/english/downloads/spanishvm.htm I did not realise it would be such a big deal. These guys at www.helloworld.com.es provide this Spanish verb conjugator - Trainer for free, and I just thought your users would benefit from it. When you kept on removing the link, I just kept on adding it in, I just thought it was someone from the online conjugators removing it. Another thing Verbos is a software download as well and they require Java Runtime environment sort of like www.helloworld.com.es is a software download and requires .net framework.

I apologise once again if you interpreted my contribution as Spam. It was not my intension. —This unsigned comment was added by 88.9.154.171 (talk • contribs) 06:49, 20 March 2006.

I understand. However (and this is for everybody), I still think this is unnecessary. The external links sections of several Spanish language-related articles are very bloated. There are a million of Spanish tutorials, conjugators, quizzes etc. and we can't test them all to see which are good enough. And the prospective student of Spanish can easily find them using a common search engine. Wikipedia is not a web directory. --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 10:57, 20 March 2006 (UTC)