Talk:Spades (card game)

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Shouldn't Spades_(game) be broken into its own page?

A user seems to be persistently adding content concerning Internet play and plugging a particular book. This user clearly has very strong opinions about spades and spades players. This content is blatantly inappropriate for Wikipedia. This is not just my opinion, since the changes in question have been reverted many times by many people.

To that user, I would ask that prior to reintroducing your changes, please discuss and defend your changes here so that a consensus can be reached.

Critique of the disputed content:

"Most online spaders are not good, think they are good, and are not willing to learn."

Can you imagine this in a printed encyclopedia? This is your opinion of other people. This is a put down. It is not an undisputed fact. Even if it were an undisputed fact it would not belong in an encyclopedia entry about Spades.

"Steve Fleishman changed the Spades world when he released the first of his two books"

He may have changed YOUR world.

"It introduced players to Spades the way it should be played."

It is not an encyclopedia's job to tell people how they should live their life or play their games.

"Serious players are advised to visit Fleishman's website and enjoy the plethora of free information available."

And you claim this is not a plug?!?

Please, please read the section "Wikipedia is not a propaganda machine" at this page.

[edit] Karmafist's 2 cents regarding Spades

It's not particularly encyclopedic, but this is a talk page, so I figured I'd add my perceptions and rules from playing Spades here.

  • Bidding Nil is a risk, but it's a risk that has to be taken when it can be taken.

Don't bid nil if...

    • You have more than 2 spades or a spade face card
    • It's the first hand and you have any face cards(getting behind early is bad)
    • If you have more than 5-7 face cards total
    • If you're way ahead and it's not almost definate

Do bid nil if...

    • You have no face cards at all
    • You're behind by more than 200
    • Your partner bids high(6 or more)
  • Bags are bad if you get two or three per hand, but no big deal if you get one. Remember, bags are cumulative per partners.
  • When bidding, I usually give this value to my cards in total
    • 1 trick for each spade face card
    • 1 trick for each spade when I have a doubleton or less in a suit
    • 1-2 tricks if I have more than 5 spades
    • 1 trick per ace
    • 1/4-1/2 trick per non-spade face card, depending on the situation
  • Know how your partner plays, and then change how you play to react. If they're aggressive, go more cautious. If they're cautious, go more aggressive. You're playing your partner's tendancies as much as your opponents.
  • When trying to break a nil, do so usually on the second or third trick of each suit. The first trick is usually easy to break, and by the fourth, the niller is usually out of that suit or the covering partner has reached into spades. Keep track of where the niller and partner is weak and strong! When covering, remember the reverse, and try to get rid of your low cards as soon as possible once you know your partner is safe.

[edit] Slang

There should be a section on slang terms commonly used, such as "bumping," and "book" instead of "trick."

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