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What the Hell Happened?

A bunch of articles from the South Park page have been deleted! I think we need to have this article locked because of vandalism. -W.A.C. (7/25/06)

Tweek

On wikipedia, they say Tweek is a major character and a minor character. Does he belong in both and if so, shouldn't he be put into the main characters list that's put on the bottom of the page? -W.A.C. (7/20/06)

I dunno how one determines who is a "major" or "minor" character. But I'd say Tweek definitely isn't a major character. Iirc, he was only big in a few episodes four or five seasons ago. Butters isn't really "major" imo, either. 70.66.9.162 01:28, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Butters currently has a more major role then Kenny currently has so Butters is a major character. -W.A.C. (7/25/06)
That statement is subjective, and the logic is moronic. Kenny was a major character, one of the main four, for a long time. If he happens to be not as important in the current storylines, it doesn't necessarily mean that anyone who is featured slightly more than him automatically becomes designated a "major" character. Let's say you have 6 glasses. 4 of them are completely full of water, 2 of them are half full, and 2 of them are a quarter full. If you take one of the full glasses and dump out water so that it's only a quarter full, the two half full glasses are now more full than it was. It doesn't mean that they're completely full, it just means that they're more full than one of the glasses that used to be full. Butters and Tweak are both still half-full glasses, no matter how much water Matt and Trey want to remove from Kenny's glass. - Ugliness Man 10:47, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

References

Some jerk took out the references so I readded them. -W.A.C. (7/15/06)

Cartman

The article says: He is the epitome of evil. Everything he does is self serving. Every episode in which he appears to be doing something good ends with his true motives being revealed. This is particularly evident in the two part episode Do the Handicapped Go to Hell?.

But that's not really true, there have been a few episodes were Cartman has done some things that weren't self serving, such as the Jackavsaurus (sp?), and Chef's last episode.

Now it calls him a Cockroach? This page has an anti-Cartman bias. RG1985 05:33, 26 July 2006

Yes, and it also calls him stupid, which is not the case. Look at his elaborate scheme in Scott Tenormen Must Die. I also want the word "cockroach" removed. Two many words describing him at the beginning.

What the hell happened to all the pictures on this page?

Every time I go to this page, there are less and less pictures. There used to be over ten, but now all I see is three (including the main picture on the infobox). What's the deal? Is it copyright issues or what? Zone46 02:23, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Why is Muhammad controversial?

"In 2006, Comedy Central would not allow South Park to show an image of the Islamic prophet Muhammad, likely due to the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy, and fear of similar repercussions."

-No it's because Mohammad is not to be represented visually, and to do so causes great offence to Muslims. Repercussions would indeed be likely, but even if the Dutch cartoon controversy had not happened, a South Park portrayal of Muhammad would have severe consequences anyway. Magic Pickle 00:26, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

But they still showed Mohammed in the episode Super Best Friends. So I don't see what the big deal is for this. So they can show him in 1 episode, but not another? NetStormer 00:44, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I haven't seen the episode, but is he easy to spot, is he actually identified as Mohammed? Maybe the Muslim community didn't know he was in it. I'm guessing most devout Muslims don't watch South Park, so it's probably a case of Muslims not knowing he's in it. The Dutch newspaper was obviously seen by a lot of muslims. It's pretty shaky ground either way, and obviously the Dutch controversy opened Comedy central's eyes to the risks they were taking. Magic Pickle 16:06, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes. He has speaking lines and super powers and identifies himself as Mohammad with the power of flame. He breathesor shoots fire out of his hands at one point in the episode. Bjsiders 16:18, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Either way, it's still stupid that they did that... I'm just hoping that they didn't censor it in the DVD version when it's released, which will probably be the case. NetStormer 07:39, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

But why didnt muslims close embassies and riot when Muhammed was shown being 'super' friends with Jesus, Moses, Joseph Smith, 'Semen', Buddha and so forth? And if Muslims don't watch South Park, why edit the scene, if Muslims don't watch it?

Guess we should ask the Muslims. But maybe Comedy Central weren't willing to risk the possibility of more Muslims seeing the re-run in case they did go rioting.
Muslims riot to the danish cartoon because, if you haven't seen it, it is offensive on the actions he is depicted, in Super Best Friends they didn't make fun of the profets, neither insult them. Muslims did the same that catholic church did with "The last temptation of Christ".
There are so many holes in your babbling, I don't know where to start... the Catholics protested and generally made themselves look foolish, just like they've done more recently regarding The DaVinci Code. The Muslims protesting the Danish cartoons rioted. There's a difference between holding up picket signs while spewing biblical nonsense and perpetuating mandated violence. The Catholics didn't want people to go see the movie, the Muslims wanted people to die. Also, the fact that the Danish cartoons supposedly mocked or defamed Mohammad and the SBF episode didn't is irrelevant. In the midst of the Danish cartoon controversy it was made apparant that any depiction of the prophet is objectionable. Sure they didn't bother doing anything about the SBF episode when it aired, but after the Danish kerfuffle Comedy Central refused to allow Mohammed to be depicted on screen at all. In the original uncensored version of Cartoon Wars Part II, all that Mohammed does is pass a helmet to Peter. The scene is intentionally dull and completely non-offensive. The fact that Comedy Central chose to censor it proves the point that now they're afraid to air any depiction of the prophet, no matter how he's protrayed. - Ugliness Man 11:58, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Let's keep things civil here, eh? In the future please don't make sweeping, hyperbolic statements such as "the Muslims wanted people to die". Yes, there was a pretty violent response in some regions to the Danish cartoons, but by using those words you seem to imply that all members of the Muslim faith are murderers. I'm sure that's not what you meant but things can get easily misconstrued sometimes. And more to the point, not ALL muslims rioted, or even protested. I know that many Muslims had no problem with the cartoons, just as many catholics have no problem with the Da Vinci Code. My dad's a catholic, and a fan of both the Da Vinci Code AND South Park. They don't all "spew biblical nonsense", you know. Nuge talk 14:23, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
I think the point is being missed - even a positive depiction of Muhammed is not allowed. Sure, if he is portrayed negatively it will cause even more offence - but it causes some offence to portray him at all. This is to prevent idolatry.

First of all, (Uglinessman) its because of people like you that the whole controversy started in even the first place. Writing letters, essays and recommendations were obviously not going to stop those cartoons from being printed, since the cartoonists were trying to piss people off. I don't necessarily agree with the riots, but how were the muslims supposed to stop the blasphemy of their faith. I guess stopping Danish imports was the only way for them to take any real action against this. Its interesting how a swastika appearing anywhere in Europe is considered racist but when the cartoon controversy took place it was justified as being freedom of speech. This is really no different from the different portrayals of Jesus Christ on the show (sometimes even with a gun no less), its wrong because its just hurtful to those who believe in these figures.

The point is that ultimately you're NOT supposed to be able to stop them being printed. You can get upset, you can boycott and complain, but ultimately it is up to the company who makes the newspaper or TV show whether they want to lampoon a religious icon or not. Same with swastikas - people can get offended and complain all they like, but if a newspaper wants to print one then nobody should be able to stop them. BobThePirate 19:06, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Like BobThePirate said, your recourse against something which offends you is to express your offense, and don't watch or support the show. Expecthing them to bow down to religious dogma is ridiculous. If you say that they're not allowed to use certain religion's prophets, it's no great stretch to make a looooooooong list of other things they're not allowed to portray. Really, the way that Kyle explained it in the actual show is pretty dead-on. If you pick and choose what's fair game and what isn't, it's completely arbitrary, and means throwing artistic integrity out the window to satisfy special interest groups. I hardly see how it's because of "people like me" that the controversy started. The people supporting freedom of expression aren't the problem, it's the people who want to limit and regulate and eventually elimintate these freedoms who are at the forefront of the whole kerfuffle. The next time you want to pin the blame on me, please explain what I did to cause anything. I don't recall killing any artsts, I haven't bombed any buildings lately, and I'm pretty sure I wasn't holding up picket signs calling for the muder of anyone who believes in a different invisible man in the sky than I do. But, please, by all means, enlighten me on what I've done lately to spark such controversy. - Ugliness Man 20:48, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

"Same with swastikas - people can get offended and complain all they like, but if a newspaper wants to print one then nobody should be able to stop them. " BobThePirate That entirely depends on the individual country. In the UK and also Germany it would be illegal if a newspaper printed a swastika and a pro-nazi article. As for the issue of whether or not Muslims are right to riot over cartoons or whatever, it's a moot point: the fact is that they do. Consequently, what Stone and Parker fail to realise is that when they create something which could arouse the anger of Muslims, they are asking all those involved in the production and broadcast of the cartoon to face that severe anger along with them. They are willing to risk the consequences: fine. But is it fair they should expect others at Comedy Central to, when the consequences might very well go beyond protest and picket, to something worse.Magic Pickle 01:20, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

The bottom line is, the Islamic faith seriously need to adapt to the modern world. They need to change their position on the depiction of Mohammad because in today's world many countries have freedom of speech, press, and expression. Sure, it might have made sense 1500 years ago, but it just doesn't work today. Having your extremists riot over the depiction of your prophet is ridiculous. It would be like the England still allowing people to be stoned to death as punishment for their crimes because hey, it use to happen in our faith. All major religions used to be batshit crazy. Christianity with the crusades and genocide (the Americas), Islam with Jihads, etcetera etcetera. Then people and religions policies changed, and Islam needs to catch up As people have already stated, Mohammad was already depicted in the Super Best Friends episode and nothing happens. Also he appears in the crowd at the beginning sequence of each show. Allowing your own fear to change a show to meet the demands of others is called terrorism.Anonymous

Nothing happened after the South Park portrayal of Mohammed, it did not cause riots etc - but - it easily could have. Is it fair to expect the staff of Comedy Central to possibly risk their lives for the sake of a stupid cartoon? I don't think so. If Parker and Stone want to upset Islamists: fine, but maybe they should do it on their own website or a private DVD release. In the real world, many of the staff at CC won't want to risk the danger - and fair enough - I know I wouldn't risk my life to protect an episode of South Park of all things. Magic Pickle 20:59, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

The staff of Comedy Central would never be at risk - even if they showed Muhammad pooping over the Koran. The riots that might occur because of it would happen in distinctly Muslim countries. The bottom line is that any depiction of Muhammad is offensive to Muslims. Look, :) <- if I said that that smily guy is Muhammad, it would be offensive to Muslims. If I said that "this talk page, and all the words in it, is a physical depiction of Muhammad" it would offend Muslims. The point those two South Park episodes were trying to make is that it's not anyone's problem except their's, and everyone should be able to say whatever they want - and that it is sometimes necessary to fight for that right instead of giving in to terrorism. --Desire Campbell 24.222.232.225 13:10, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
Never be at risk, eh? Ever heard of Salman Rushdie? I'm not debating whether it is right or wrong for Muslims to riot/threaten whatever - I'm saying that since certain sections of that faith do (and have done in the West as well) - it comes down to whether you want to take the risk of angering them (and that anger can go beyond mere protest). Stone and Parker do - fine. But it is perfectly understandable if the people at the network get nervous. You can call it giving in to terrorism etc - but at the end of the day it's only South Park and I certainly would understand any network's decision to refuse to take the risk and refuse to air the episode. They are in the business of making entertaining television not 'fighting terrorism'. Magic Pickle 00:06, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


Basically, the prophet Mohammed, is forbidden in Islam to be drawn or depicted visually. This might be connected to the "no graven images" commandment in the Old Testament, since the OT is a holy book to Muslims as well. Any depiction is against the rules, although as (is it Kyle?) points out, the rules are for Muslims. I'm not sure of the Quran's stance on getting all upset about other people depicting him. Presumably it's at the risk of the depictor's own soul.

Islam isn't really any more violent or silly than any other of the Abrahamic religions, it just suffers a lot more extremism than they do. Though then again, if the Christian fundamentalists in the USA got the same media coverage, perhaps we'd see them on TV every other day, ranting and rabbling in crowds. Fr*d Ph*lps pickets -funerals-, for god's sake.

  • We need someone with Quran knowledge to tell us - but I'm guessing that other people depicting the prophet would be considered acceptable grounds for action under the Quran. Could be wrong entirely. 'Kyle' is possibly looking at Islam from his Western viewpoint (probably a libertarian viewpoint) and the two don't always fit. Magic Pickle 10:21, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Why I failed this article

  • I didn't award this article "Good article" status because of the way it is written. The narritive is often rambling and unfocused; it is often very repetitive, and the Trivia and Running Gags section are punishingly long. Someone who knows the show very well could likely clean it up in a few days and have it ready to become a good article. TheImpossibleMan 10:15, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. Just gave it a full read, needs to be cut back by a good 20-25%. Running Gags- as written- could probably get snipped altogether. Saint Mahone 23:15, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Doubly Agreed. The character section and celebrity appearances could use their own articles as wellJruffatto 17:27, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
I think that I might be up for the challenge of re-writing the article. If I can find some time, I'll give it a shot... I've read quite a bit of the article, and it's all over the place. It needs some BIG reorganization, and a lot of content isn't necessary. honestly, do we really need to know that after the woman voicing Wendy offed herself (no offense) her husband started up a foundation in her name? Many things are also repeated quite a few times. I'll see what I can do over the next week or so, but I'm giving no guarantees. NetStormer 20:37, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
  • sigh* I'm sorry to everyone, but I've just not enough time to be doing an overhaul at the moment. I'm very busy with work and my home life and things are a bit unorganized... sorry once again, and I'll attempt at some small edits here and there. NetStormer 07:56, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
All right then. Perhaps I can pick up the baton...given that I don't get extremely busy either. I've been watching over this article for a long time, since I don't recall seeing an animated series on either the "Good Article" or "Featured Article" lists and I see this as the best bet (though perhaps The Simpsons is a very good pick too). For the recurring gags section, should that be put up as a separate article, or has much of my work already been done? Ron Stoppable 19:41, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

What happened to the picture of Kenny getting electrocuted?

It disappeared recently and I was just curious as to were it went. Zone46 03:24, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Hidden Code in Goobacks

Think I found a hidden code in the 'Goobacks' episode. See the 'Goobacks' talk page for details. Well I looked at the goobacks talk page and all i saw was something about terminator:3--Yowiki 06:40, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

South Park Discussion Vandalized

I noticed that the last person to edit the page [*cough*SCIENTOLOGIST*cough*] deleted the entire thing. I threw it back up for you all.

Do you have evidence it was a scientologist? --Quirex 15:30, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Uncategorized comments

The political section tagged get me rewrite blows primarily because it reifies existing political categories while the show itself is primarily anti-Fascist.

The show itself is Adorno's "nightmare of childhood".

It is filled with adult characters out of Adorno's NOC in Minima Moralia.

"For example, in the episode where Cartman joins the association NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Love association) is actually a real group of people."

There's a few things wrong with that sentence. I've changed it to:

"For example, in episode #406, "Cartman Joins NAMBLA", NAMBLA (the North American Man/Boy Love Association) is an actual organization."

I also felt that the opening wording, "South park is a comedy animated series" was really awkward and changed it to "an animated comedy series" and removed the (unnecessary IMO) wiki links.

I changed the reason for Stan not vomiting anymore when Wendy speaks to him. The original words suggested that this ended with the Raisins episode (7.14) because the voice actor providing her voice had died. This is incorrect, and is confusing the suicide of Mary Kay Bergman in 1999 with the departure of Eliza Schneider in 2003 (both of whom voiced Wendy). So far as I can tell, Ms. Schneider is still very much alive and working on other projects. Martin Blank 23:00, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

With regards to the "he's like Keanu Reeves" mention in the "Best Friends Forever" episode, surely this is a reference to his character in the "Matrix" series of movies, rather than constantine? Nervie 21:16, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

It's more likely a composite of several of his movies, just like "Asspen" was a parody of many 80's skiing movies and not just one. So it could be both.

It should be noted in the Music section that Trey Parker (and maybe Matt Stone; I'm not sure) was previously a music major at his university in Colorado before dropping out to film Cannibal! the Musical.

I changed "Token Williams" to "Token Black" as he has been called more than once in the show. Most recently in the episode involving the Chinese mafia. - Kugamazog

But isn't "Token Black" used to describe the fact that he is infact the "token black" in town, much like Chef? Sean WI 04:32, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Yes, but it is also his last name. That's why it's funny. Sometimes they get the names mixed up apparently, like Butters' father is sometimes Chris and sometimes Steven. But I think "Black" is his real last name.

There are a few things here which I think needs to be proved with facts. Did Comedy Central really decide to stop showing South Park during summer? Also, did they actually digitally take Blame Canada out of the movie and replace it with O Canada? I'm not ignorant about the show, and I think I would have heard about this stuff had it actually been done. Kaishin 14:27 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

- Dunno about the former, but the latter is definitely false: I own the Canadian DVD and Blame Canada's intact. (I've fixed the page.) JoeNotCharles

I removed

Blame Canada was chosen for an Academy Award nomination because it was one of the few songs that had a title without profane language

Who claims this? And does this make sense as an explanation? Does the Academy have an explicit profanity-avoidance policy? --Ryguasu 22:00 Nov 17, 2002 (UTC)

It does make sense. Best Song nominees are performed live on the television broadcast of the Academy Awards ceremony. The Academy would therefore be loathe to nominate songs whose very titles cannot be spoken without censorship problems: they will gladly bowdlerize lyrics in order to perform them, but they can hardly do that when they are reading the nominees names ("For Best Song, the nominees are Uncle Bleeper...???) -- Someone else

It makes sense, but is it a known fact? I mean, I don't think the person who made that claim knew for a fact that that was the reason they chose the song, and is therefore a conjecture, or an opinion at the worst, and doesn't have a place in an objective enyclopedia of facts.

Better phrasing would be, "Blame Canada was nominated for an Oscar for best song, perhaps because it was one of the few songs in the movie without profanity and therefore suitable for broadcast.


Tommertron 03:55 19 Jul 2003 (UTC)


Holy God, check out the What Links Here page. Gnome appears eight times. What's that all about? -Branddobbe 04:50, Jan 31, 2004 (UTC)

Moses is described here as a 'fiery dreidel,' yet his appearance is actually that of the Master Control Program from the movie TRON.

I question deleting the line about South Park not being cancelled. If someone is reading the article, they might NOT know that it was still on the air. --rp

The awkward sense of double negative in the sentence was what justified its demise. The positive sentiment of the sentence being, "South Park is still going (or going strong) as of 2004," the sentence would have to be phrased in that sort of straightforward fashion to survive successive WP editing. --Gary D 19:44, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I am editing this comment in the "Trivia" section:

Prior to South Park's genesis, Stone and Parker collaborated on the movie Cannibal! The Musical, a Western satire similar to South Park. In addition, they have released two other feature-length films: Baseketball and Orgazmo.

They did not "release" any feature films. They merely starred in BASEketball, written & directed by others. --Feitclub 19:03, Sep 12, 2004 (UTC)

They released Orgazmo:
Directed by, Written by, Starring, Produced by, Music composed by, and Edited by Trey Parker and Matt Stone.
I'd say that qualifies. Oh, and same deal with "Team America".

The whole politics of South Park is a somewhat rediculous notion. I would contend that as many liberals watch and enjoy the show as do conservatives. There is no evidence supporting this and the term South Park Republican is not widely accepted (evidence: [1]). The author argues that the term is not inherant to the show South Park. Libertarian bias does exist in the show, but not republican bias. The idea of South Park Republicans is mentioned almost exclusively by Republicans. If this is not modified I support a notice of bias on this article. Flying Hamster 00:12, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I disagree - although I am quite liberal and love southpark, I do notice that they are more conservative than liberal. There is no point in getting into a left vs right vs liberterian argument here, but assumming that liberterian is independant of left/right (becuase SP is clearly liberterian). My reasons lie in the fact that they mock liberal values much, much, more than conservative values. They show liberals to be idiots who are wrong. They show conservatives to be rednecks, but not wrong. I am not saying that they back Bush (I don't know anything about this) but judging from the show alone, I refuse to believe that they are anything left of center. 69.136.234.155

I'm going to go ahead and delete both liberal and conservative as "spokespersons" seems to say enough without showing bias toward one side or the other.

I would agree that the show is libertarian. Libertarians may not like the disctinction between left and right - but libertarianism clearly is more allied to the right because it abhors nearly all state or collective interference in the affairs of the individual. Generally the left believes in the power of the state to help achieve goals and assist wider society. The show is certainly more conservative in terms of 'freedom at any cost' thinking. Magic Pickle 01:28, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the whole 'liberal' vs. 'conservative' debate, I just don't see it and I'd suggest that this section be toned down significantly because it's just a lot of speculation. I'd agree that in its current state, the article is biased (although perhaps unintentionally so). Even the show's own creators are on the record saying the show doesn't lean one way or the other. I think that people on one side or the other of this topic usually tend to see their own side as taking the brunt of the satire because they are more sensitive to their own views roasting on the BBQ. As a case in point, when JibJab's "This Land is Your Land" parody came out liberal people I knew said it was too hard on Kerry and conservatives equally said it was too hard on Bush. It seems that each side interprets criticism of it's own views as more severe than criticism of the other side (because it's only "correct" to criticise the other side as wrong, I guess). I'd suggest we all just accept that trying to interpret a political bent in the humor of the show in the absence of clear, irrefutable evidence of a trend (or a statement from the creators) is inherently error prone due to observer bias.

If anything, I'd say the creators are contrarian since they tend to highlight things that may be a relatively accepted view (such as Alcoholics Anon being a good thing) and show an alternate perspective. Just about any large, well-known movement is lampooned in some way (except for those that are disliked by most people, which are then shown in an unexpected good light (ie tobacco company)). Confounding expectation and playing against type are just mechanisms of humor. I would agree that the creators seem to be generally anti-big group, pro individualism, pro self-expression and anti-self-importance but I don't think that those views can be said to map onto the conservative/liberal spectrum.

My vote is that this section be rewritten in a much minimized form that mentions that some people on each side believe that the show creators generally support their viewpoints and that some on each side say the show creators are opposed to their viewpoint. The creators themselves say there is no fixed viewpoint. The section could conclude with the general thought that "there isn't enough evidence to conclude one way or the other. Southpark satires many views leaving sensibilities across the spectrum offended at various times and the creators seem to be proud of that."

I think the creators of the show would think little of all of you trying to determine their politics. Just watch the show and enjoy it for what it is.

I'm deleting the statement about the show only being aired once a day; there are at least a couple of nights a week when two episodes air, and first-run episodes fall into the block of programming that Comedy Central reruns two hours later on the same night. Not to mention the conflict the frequent showings of the movie would have with this "rule."

I have high doubts about the "no South Park in summer" statement, although it would be interesting if it were true. -Hedgey42 17:09, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

If PBS shows it, it'll definitely be TV-Y7 FV. -- Anonymous

I'm deleting the statement that says that Chef is used less frequently because Isaac Hayes was offended by the Scientology episode. The reason for this is that the Scientology episode was the 12th episode of the most recent season. Chef has not been in an episode since much before that.

This article is missing mentions of Mr. Hanky (recurring character) and David Hasselhoff. -- G3, 03:58, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Mr. Hankey is mentioned in the first paragraph of "Minor characters and celebrities", so the debate would be whether he's a recurring character or a minor character. I would support changing him to a recurring character, but I don't feel strongly enough about it to make the move myself (on average he appears less than once per season, so it's a fine line). And David Hasselhoff doesn't actually "appear" in the show, impersonated or otherwise. His likeness replaces Mr. Garrison's usual face when he gets cosmetic surgery, but Hasselhoff himself doesn't visit town or anything like that. Keep in mind that the mention of characters is a part of this main article, there's also separate articles Recurring South Park characters and List of celebrities on South Park. Hasselhoff is mentioned in the second one.
(by the way, this section is a mess, I hope a WikiFairy finds it and cleans it up...) - Ugliness Man 08:25, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Jesus vs. Frosty

The link at Jesus vs. Frosty leads to a page that describes it identically to "The Spirit of Christmas", and doesn't match the description on the page. I don't know which is right, so I'll leave the edit to someone else, and also drop a note on the other page.

Are the creators Republicans? If its not well confirmed maybe it shudn't be part of the encyclopedia. I have little idea as I live far far away in India. But my objective is to bring to notice that part of the article to others who can more objectively analyse and judge.

The confusion is most likely do to the fact that there were two shorts titled "The Spirit of Christmas" with Jesus going up against Frosty in the first one and against Santa in the better-known christmas card one.Apofisu 20:49, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Braniff

What exactly is the deal with the Braniff logo at the end??? Lee M 01:34, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Very good question! :) Cburnett 01:43, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)
[2] says it's the name of their production company and the jingle is from Cannibal the Musical Cburnett 01:45, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)
[3] says (under April 23, 2001) that they needed a logo for the end of the show, so they used Braniff since they were out of business and no one probably needed it. Cburnett 01:49, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)
OK, thanks for the info. Possibly worth mentioning it in both the South Park and Braniff articles. Lee M 01:43, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
South Park Studios answered this in their FAQs page on Nov. 9th:

Q. - Why is there a Braniff Airlines ad at the end of every episode?
A. - Matt and Trey choose Braniff as the name for their production company when they began South Park. They have the right to use the logo on South Park but do not have any other rights to it. It continues to make them laugh.

James MSC 01:48, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
I edited the entry about the Braniff logo. It said the song was "The sky is blue and the trees are green. The sun is hot like a baked potato". While those are the first two lines of that song, the actual name of it is "Shpadoinkle". Nehle 07:58, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

uncle jimbo

We should add characters uncle jimbo and his friend who speaks with the artificial voicebox... i'll do it later if i have time 64.59.209.89 14:53, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)


Towlie's profile seriously needs cleaned up whetstone

Picture of South Park Characters

This is a question for anyone who knows the answer. For a pictureof the four main characters, the description says that is how they appear in eight of nine seasons. What season did they appear different? What did they look like? Chaz 16:48, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

I think it is because Kenny wasn't a main character during 6th season: "Leopold "Butters" Stotch (replaced Kenny as a main character during the first part of the 6th season, though Kenny was brought back for the 7th season; has been prominent ever since)" and "Tweek (replaced Kenny during the second part of the 6th season, though Kenny was brought back for the 7th season)" (cited from South_Park#Major_characters). -Fred Bradstadt 16:55, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
Accually, it is because in the first season they all looked slightly different (nothing major, but still significant). Also, does anybody have a better pic for Tweak or Timmy? The ones in the Main character section are not that great. JQF 17:28, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Terri Schiavo and the PSP

Just a query: What on earth does the PSP have to do with Terri Schiavo?

In real life, nothing. But in the epsiode "Best Friends Forever," which parodies the Schiavo controversy, a lot.
Kenny dies after he gets run over while playing a PSP. In his will, Kenny left his PSP to Cartman. After Kenny got a feeding tube, Cartman led the fight to have it removed, claiming Kenny wouldn't have wanted to be on life support. Of course, the truth is, Cartman just wanted Kenny dead so that Cartman could keep the PSP. Meanwhile, Kenny uses a PSP in heaven to control God's armies in their battle against Satan.
Hey, you asked. Kirchherr 18:04, 26 September 2005 (UTC)


Who are the Harrisons?

I don't recall anyone in South Park with the surname of "Harrison". Brittany 22:17, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

They're in the All About the Mormons? episode. KeithD (talk) 16:35, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Chef Aid

Currently the Chef Aid article is a redirect to the Chewbacca Defence. Would it be possible to create a stub for Chef Aid keeping the links to the preceding and successive episode. Thanks for your help. Capitalistroadster 05:42, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Done! Now I leave it to someone else to fill in the stub and merge/separate Chef Aid and Chewbacca Defense as appropriate. Taiichi 2 02:03, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Killdozer

Why has South Park not done a parody of the Killdozer? It is perfect material as 1) nobody was killed or injured (except Marvin), 2) it happened in a small Colorado town, 3) the real mayor sounds as corrupt as the mayor from South Park, and 4) the method is so outrageous it lends itself to satire.--RPlunk 16:46, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

I don't know why they haven't, RPlunk, but this isn't really the right place to ask. This talk page is supposed to be for discussion about the article, not about your thoughts on the show. Therefore, discussing something that has not happened, and speculating about things that have not occurred, probably isn't going to get anyone to respond to you. Except for me, and i'm telling you that you should ask these sorts of questions elswhere. cheers — Fudoreaper 09:58, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Animal sexuality

Is this really a recurring theme in South Park? --DrBat 23:55, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Re FT2; South Park does not have bestiality as a recurring theme, and South Park itself is not connected to bestiality. Almost all of the stuff seemed taken out of context. If you asked Trey and Matt, they would probably also say bestiality is not a recurring theme in the show. Furthermore, the question on if it was relevant was put into talk when I removed the bit. No one else has commented on it or reverted it until you came. If actual SP fans didn't feel it was meant to be in the article, and they left it alone, I don't see how it would be vandalism. Do you even watch the show? --DrBat 13:23, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Actually, I believe the question was in regards to the sexual orientation of animals -- such as Stan's dog being gay -- and not "beastiality".
Bestiality was linked in the article (it was linked as Another recurring theme includes [*[zoophilia|sexual activity with animals]*]) which also mentioned how Stan masturbated to his dog and how Mr.Garrison had sex with a pig. And the sexual orientation of animals (like Stan's dog being gay) is not a recurring theme --DrBat 13:18, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
Stan did not masturbate to his dog. He gave his dog a hand job (he thought he was milking it.)Apofisu 20:45, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
Alright; I was just referring to what the article said (masturbating to the dog). And as for the milking part; that's another example how the article took things out of context (Anyway, having sex with animals or animal sexuality in general is not a recurring theme in the show. Hency the removal of the section).--DrBat 21:04, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm not convinced that animal sexuality should be a recurring theme either. When I think of reccurring themes themes on the show, I think of things like Kenny's death, Chef's songs about sex, Cartman's conservatism, Kyle's liberalism, poking fun at celebrities, religion, etc. These are all more prominent themes than animal sexuality. Animal sexuality is a major plot point in only 3 episodes: Big Gay Al's Big Gay Boat Ride, An Elephant Makes Love to a Pig, and Chickenlover, while there are minor references to it in at least 7 others: Cat Orgy, Hooked on Monkey Phonics (masturbating monkey), Scott Tenorman Must Die (pony performing fellatio on a hot dog), Proper Condom Use (the aforementioned scene with Stan's dog), The Death Camp of Tolerance (Lemmiwinks), Douche and Turd (with PETA), and Woodland Critter Christmas (porcupine is pregnant). Are ten mentions of animal sexuality in 140 episodes enough to make it a "recurring theme"? Maybe, but I just think there are better "recurring themes" out there. I just don't think of animal sexuality when I think of South Park. -- Yoberalf 15:28, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Bloody Mary, alien

In the episode Bloody Mary, about two thirds of the way thru the episode, when Randy is in the truck, talking to Stan, you can briefly see one of the aliens from Cartman Gets an Anal Probe on the right side of the screen. Anyone know if there's any significance to this appearance?


Yes there is a significance as in every episode of the series these aliens have cropped up in one way or the other...

Weird edit

Sorry folks. I posted two edits to this article by accident. My intent was to revert one edit, but it looks like somehow I also managed to revert a chopped off text on the political controversy as a 2nd revert. If that one's wrong or anything feel free to fix it. Thanks FT2 22:42, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

About the major characters

I think that Tweek should be removed of the major characters section. He had some important time in the 6th season as the 4th friend, but it only was for three or four chapters. After that he never had a relevant role. And there is a lot of characters that could be there such as Wendy or Chef, that always made important appearances. Even Jesus or Saddam have more major time than Tweek.--Bauta 22:22, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Total Dispute and lack of sources

Hi all. Okay this article needs to be worked on. First of all nobody uses sources during the text and there is no references at the end of the article. Everybody must point out, during the text, where they took their information. There are a lot of dates, "facts" and all that in the text but nothing says to me it is true. Also, a lot of information is mainly opinions about how the show has what conservative point of view or not and if it displaying a view satirical view that is close to reality. These are opinions and not only are they opinions from the writers of this article, the writers backed their opinions with ONE exemple each time. Who says this isn't an exception you picked to make us all believe it was right ? Also the the article is big it could probable be reduced. Let's get to work people ! Bragador 03:18, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Ok I'll start the editing. Let's see... For the intro what we could actually keep is:

South Park is an animated series created by Matt Stone and Trey Parker. Distributed by and airing on Comedy Central since 1997 and syndicated through Tribune Entertainment starting autumn 2005. It follows the surreal adventures of four young boys who live in the small town of South Park, Colorado. South Park satirizes many aspects of American culture and current events, and challenges deepset convictions and taboos, usually using parody and black humor.

So that's for the first paragraph. Now for the second one.

The show is noted for its characteristically blunt handling of current events. The episode "Best Friends Forever" illustrates an example of such blunt handling by having satirized both the PSP and the Terri Schiavo case as well as the movie Constantine.

That would be a nice second part though we should add a link for the episode to back our claims. Also a link to a critic's site would be nice to back the "blunt handling of current events". Now for the 3rd.

Various instances relate Kenny's role in the episode as reminiscent of Keanu Reeves, which has also been speculated as a referral to Reeves' role as Neo (the One or savior) in The Matrix. In this episode, the town is at odds over the removal of a feeding tube from Kenny. The episode was recorded one week after the PSP was released and, coincidentally, was originally aired the night of March 30, 2005, less than twelve hours before Schiavo died. South Park won its first Emmy Award for that episode.

This is totally out of place. It should be in an article about the episode itself. Now for the 4th.

New episodes for the show's ninth season continued on October 19, 2005 after being on hiatus since April 2005. Recent seasons have aired in two parts; for example, half of the episodes from the eighth season were put on hiatus for Team America: World Police, another Stone and Parker production. The show has been syndicated through Tribune Entertainment starting the autumn of 2005.

ok. in place of the whole thing I would say

Recent seasons have aired in two parts since 2004.

As for the "Tribune Entertainment" i added it in the first paragraph. Now for the 5th.

Despite its reputation for toilet humor and outlandishness, many of the topics the creators take on are presented in realistic and unexaggerated yet absurd ways. For example, NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association) in episode #406, "Cartman Joins NAMBLA", is a real-life organization. Other targets, such as Scientology and Michael Jackson, have been satirized while portrayed mostly true to real life.

This is totally opinionated ! We need at least one source for the reputation and one for the "presented in realistic and unexagerated yet absurd ways". For now it has no place in the article. As for the nambla, scientology and jackson stuff who says it has really been portrayed "mostly true to real life" ? We need links to critics !

Bragador 14:16, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Someone-somewhere has reduced the {totaldispute} down to {disputed} and I don't see any further talk of inaccurate facts so I am going to delete the factual inaccuracy tag. Thane Eichenauer 08:35, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Bloody Mary vs Christian League

In the past week the Catholic League have managed to get the episode Bloody Mary cancelled from Comedy Central's lineup: http://www.defamer.com/hollywood/south-park/bloody-mary-episode-ensures-south-park-guys-a-bungalow-in-hell-145774.php

The League have issued a press release regarding the yanking: http://www.catholicleague.org/05press_releases/quarter%204/051230_Southpark_pulled.htm

Perhaps they forgot to read: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment01/06.html

  • You can say whatever you want to, it's up to the corportations if it's worth it to distribute that speech or not. --Mercury1 01:57, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
    • I think it's ironic that Tray and Matt are the victims of corporate censorship.

Screenshots

Where do you guys get most of your episode screen shots from. I like to include a screen shot from their "Free Willzyx", but that is not included in Wikipedia yet. Thanks. Zach (Smack Back) 03:19, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

southparkstudios.com normally but im pretty sure theres a Free Willzyx screenshot in by now. Discordance 18:49, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Kenny death image

Just a little nitpick, but the image on the article is wrong. It says one of the many deaths of Kenny from the episode Rainforest Schmainforest, though he doesn't actually die in the episode.



Actually, he does die. He is resusicitated, however, but still, had Kelly not been there he would have remained permanently dead. Hurricanehink 02:51, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. He didn't die because if he was dead he would have been permanently dead, you cant bring someone back from the dead, unless their body is still functioning. Once it shuts down, thats it, you're dead. Kenny's body must still have been functioning for him to be brought back to conciousness.

"Once it [a living body] shuts down, thats it, you're dead." What TV show are you talking about!?!?! Kenny dies and comes back to life in the next episode all the time, why wouldn't he be able to die and come back to life in the same episode? And the show violates known facts about biology all the time (such as people learning to eliminate waste through their mouth, hybid clonings etc. etc.).207.69.137.23 01:07, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Thats because South park makes fun of things and the show dosen't have to be logical.--Yowiki 06:41, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Matt Stone's supposed agnosticism

I don't know where this comes from. I've read the Stone was RAISED agnostic, but I don't know if this means he IS agnostic. If this comes from an interview or something, a reference would be appreciated. Corbmobile

Episode cancelled in UK!

This is from imdb.com

Tom Cruise has reportedly stopped an episode of South Park that mocks him from being aired in Britain. The show, in which Nicole Kidman and Cruise's fellow Scientologist John Travolta are depicted attempting to coax an animated version of the actor out of a closet caused controversy when broadcast in the US. The cartoon Kidman tells Cruise, "Don't you think this has gone on long enough? It's time for you to come out of the closet. You're not fooling anyone." - referring to allegations about Cruise's sexuality. According to TheRegister.co.uk, Paramount has agreed not to show the episode again, after Cruise complained. A source tells the site, "Tom is famously very litigious and will go to great lengths to protect his reputation. Tom was said not to like the episode and Paramount just didn't dare risk showing it again. It's a shame that UK audiences will never see it because it's very funny."

This episode is legally available free to all at the Operation Clambake website (www.xenu.net), which is a site critical of Scientology. Of note is that the episode is credited to having been created by numerous John & Jane Smiths, perhaps as a defence against Scientology's known love of litigation (in fact the episode ends with "I'm not scared ... sue me!")
So... being gay is summat so bad that you need to send your lawyers out and try to cancel a show WORLD WIDE? It must be a sore spot for Mr Cruise (I beg of you, put my name here and a note saying how I didn't sign it)

Episode deleted from Wiki?

Is it just me being paranoid or there used to be an article about episode 12 (season 8), "Stupid Spoiled Whore..."? You know, about that Hilton creature. Looks kind of weird: every single episode has a separate article, only that one is in red. --Bicycle repairman 01:56, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

I think you're looking for Stupid Spoiled Whore Video Playset (South Park) --Billdorr 06:47, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Series History edit

"This was meant as a satire on a NYPD Blue episode released shortly before this episode where one of the main characters said the phrase "shit happens" without being censored, and the American public discussed this for weeks. "

Actually, the series that used the phrase was the CBS hospital drama "Chicago Hope", not NYPD Blue.

Origins of Butters

I can't say for sure, but it seems to me that the first major appearance of Butters indicated that he was Mr. Mackey's son. The episode was one third of the "Meteor Shower" trilogy, the episode with the party at Mr. Mackey's house. I was under the assumption that the reason he was at the party (and had to hang in the basement with the other kids) was because he lived there and Mackey couldn't find a babysitter (like the other parents). The way he talks is almost like a child version of Mackey's voice, although a little more energetic, and I think he even shared the "mm'kay" in that early episode.

Since I don't have the DVDs of that season, I'm hoping someone can review this episode for me. If I'm right, I think it's worth noting in the article.

- Ugliness Man 17:22, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

The episode to which you are referring is episode 308. I watched it again and did not catch any references or indications of a relationship between Butters and Mr. Mackey.

Lemmiwinks

Does Anybody happen to have any informatoin regarding the new lemmiwinks episode?

- Mr_Farenheit

According to the FAQ on the South Park site, Lemmiwinks is promised to return one day, although nobody knows when.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/show/display_faq_search.php?section=2&id=34946&tab=10

Hello, children

Under running gags, in the part about Chef talking to the kids, it says 'Curiously, Chef always refers to even one child as "children".' I think some verification is needed on this, because I think the only time Chef ever did this was in episode 113 "Cartman's Mom is a Dirty Slut", when Cartman went to Chef's house thinking Chef was his dad. It seems to me that the joke is that because Cartman is so fat, Chef refer to him in plural terms, but as far as I know, it was only Cartman, and only that episode. I'll leave it for awhile, but if nobody can site another episode as an example, I'm going to change the text. - Ugliness Man 18:50, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Be bold when you're editing - this is only really a minor thing which doesn't really warrant talk page discussion. Go ahead and edit it! If anyone disagrees, then head for talk. Thenugga 03:28, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Well, the reason I left it up in the air was that I haven't seen all of the episodes, I'm still in the middle of season 6, so I thought there might be episodes I haven't seen where Chef refers to someone other than Cartman as "children". I'll go ahead and edit it, but while I'm catching up on the series, I'll keep an eye out for any other examples. - Ugliness Man 07:45, 27 February 2006

I dont remember myself and trying not to drop any spoilers but pay close attention to the end of season 6, he may say it there. Discordance 18:43, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Interestingly enough, I just finished watching to the end of season 6 on Sunday, and when Chef took Cartman to Scotland, he refers to him as "children", but I didn't notice any other incident where he used the term for a single boy. - Ugliness Man 11:13, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
For obvious reasons in that episode. Discordance 15:25, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

72.192.153.126 anonymously changed the text to once again indicate that Chef does this for any child, but nobody has been able to verify this by citing an episode in which he does this to someone other than Cartman. I've reverted the edit, if someone wishes to change it back, please cite the episode in which it occured, and which child Chef is speaking to when he does this. - Ugliness Man 12:53, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

In "Are You Up There God?", Chef refers to Stan as children1028 20:03, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

In episode 302 "Spontaneous Combustion", Chef refers to Cartman as "children".

POV, POV, everywhere and not a View worthwhile...

Well, not everywhere. I have made some minor NPOV edits which I doubt anyone will think are unwarranted. My main worry is in "Political Controversy" section which apart from being POV and unsourced needs major cleanup. I personally have little opinion on the show, though I tend to like some episodes more than others. It needs cleanup because it repeats itself a little. It needs cleanup because it repeats itself a little. Views such as it being conservative need to be sourced as coming from someone, it's not enough just to say it, you also cannot out-and-out say it is conservative, you need to say that "some say" that it's conservative and reference who says it. There is plenty of criticism from the Parents Television Council to be referred to. It needs rewriting so I'm tagging it. No offense dudes. Angrynight 03:45, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

P.S. My minor NPOV edits may have made wording slightly awkward. Fell free to fix that without reverting it. Angrynight 03:54, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Fine by me reading that section through its all over the place. Needs completely reorganising for a start rewriting and then sourcing. I was thinking something like.

  • Matt and Treys opinion
  • conservative aspects
  • liberal aspects
  • citicism from political groups and PTC etc

Then it needs merging with censorship and possibly recurring themes. Actually ill group the appropiate sections now before a rewrite starts. Discordance 15:53, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

    • The way the article is currently written suggests a "fair and balanced" pattern of parody that just isn't reflected in the more recent seasons in particular. The show has clearly developed an oversimplified right-wing slant in its treatment of political issues. 129.22.247.117 15:10, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I completely disagree with 129.22.247.117. The article seems biased and my own personal opinion is that it is ludicrous to suggest that the it is conservative. However, in the interests of fairness and to be unbiased, I agree with Discordance in the way that it should be set out with the different sections. Ben Dando 11:25, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


Actually, Chef says 'children' while reffering to a single person for several times in different episodes of some of the first seasons, or at least this is how I recall it. Unfortunately, I can't remember which episodes this happens, but I'll try to find out ...sorry guys...

Alleged legal action over Trapped in the Closet episode

The current edit of this article says: In January of 2006, Comedy Central's United Kingdom affiliate removed the episode "Trapped in the Closet" from its broadcast schedule, reportedly in order to avoid legal action by actor Tom Cruise, considering Matt and Trey just signed with Paramount who also happens to employ Cruise. That episode was screened on February 20 on SBS in Australia. SBS has since been threatened with Legal Action.

The alleged legal action filed against SBS needs to be sourced. I am familiar with the station in question, and I know that no legal threats have either been made or followed through on. I realise "original research" has no validity, but if the legal action reference is to stand it needs to be sourced properly. Using the Fairfax newspaper library in Australia (which has a record of every article published in Australian newspapers) I have been unable to find any published reference in the Australian media of such a legal threat. (Whoby 00:19, 3 March 2006 (UTC))

If a source cant be found for controversal statements WP policy is you can remove it on sight if you want and it shouldnt be readded till someone can source it. Discordance 20:55, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok. I will leave the paragraph, but remove the "has since been threatened" sentence. (Whoby 00:07, 4 March 2006 (UTC))

Christopher Reeve and Stem Cell Research

Someone deleted a previous edit without explanation. The creators of the show are obviously against stem cell research as shown in "Krazy Kripples", and so it at least deserves being mentioned. Do not delete it again.

If you're going to start ordering people around, there are three things you should do. First, get an account and stop doing your crap anonymously. Second, sign your comments (it's not hard, four tildes is fairly simple). Third, watch the fucking show. Episode 513 showed an extremely (and not at all ambiguous) pro stem cell research stance. Don't start assigning your morailty to the show's creators if you're going to be too gutless to even set up an account. - Ugliness Man 18:14, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Keep it civil please. As is often the case with matt and trey theyve gone for balance the show rarely displays favour to either side of controversys, I do agree with ugly man and any assertions like this will be deleted on sight. However it is something to discuss in the political issues section (although that section still needs a cleanup) but only when both sides are covered with christopher reeve being shown as an evil supervillian powered by dead fetus, whilst stem cell research develops a cure for kennys illness in 513 albeit too late and then cartman makes a mockery of things. Discordance 20:53, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

So Mr. ügliness Man" has demonstrated his hypocrisy by accusing someone else of inserting their own opinion on stem cell research onto a television show. What is the point anyways, whether or not South Park endorses or condemns a controversial point doesn't mean you are right/wrong. What is your point "Ugliness Man" and the poster above him? Anonymous 8:13:20, 3 March 2007 (PST)

I wasn't inserting my opinion into a show, I said what I believed to be the position expressed in one specific episode. The Gutless Wonderkook said that the show's creators were obviously supporting one view on the matter (coincidentally, the view shared by said kook), and I cited an episode which expressed the other view, to show that you can't arbitrarily assign either standpoint to the entire series. And the reason for my nasty tone (which I am not retracting at this moment, by the way) was because someone without an account anonymously stepped in and decided to tell the rest of us that we shouldn't delete the edit (apparantly not wanting to allow for the possibility of another viewpoint even existing). If you think I'm a hypocrite for showing that both sides of an issue are valid, so be it, but I've been on this planet long enough to learn that everyone's a hypocrite in one way or the other, so your little jab doesn't hurt me. And for the record, there's no umulat in my screen name. - Ugliness Man 11:45, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Meow ! Magic Pickle 02:10, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Isaac Hayes quits South Park

13 MARCH 2006 - Issac Hays today quit the show, citing his displeasure with it's "bigotry" regarding religion. He claimed that people's religion is sacred, and that the show has "crossed the line".

I wonder where he was when the line got crossed with regards to Catholics (several times), Mormons, Jews, and Muslims (the ORIGINAL Muhammad cartoon). Now that Scientology got its serving, a line has been crossed. Pathetic.

I think it's amusing that South Park fans automatically believe what the creators say about this. He quits after an extremely controversial episode involving the Virgin Mary and the Pope, and you all assume his reasons are all in relation to Scientology??? It's kind of dangerous to follow everything the creators tell you. I'm sure some of you also believe that second hand smoking isn't a health risk, or that the rainforests should be destroyed, or that global warming doesn't exist, etc. ... plenty of odd things that a lot of people buy from this show. Peoplesunionpro 02:04, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
I seem to remember Isaac Hayes having no problem with the scientology episode that Matt and Trey had made. So much so that they were even aware that it might piss off Hayes, yet Hayes still said that he wouldn't be. Does anyone else share this memory? 71.112.5.94 23:46, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't "automatically" believe it because it came from Trey or Matt; I believe it because I never heard one negative public comment about the show from Hayes until after Scientology got hit. It is true they hit the Catholic church again a few weeks after that, but if that was what pushed him over the edge, why did he participate in the episode that ridiculed the Catholic Church for the sex abuse scandal? Or the one where the boys catch priest Maxi screwing a woman in the confessional? Those weren't controversial??? He continued working with them YEARS after that, as well as long after Mohammed appeard in "SuperBestFriends", he was silent when they suggested that Mormons are gullible and "dumb, dumb, dumb", silent when they ridiculed Native Americans spirituality and culture...He appreciated their religious satire for a long time without comment; why is the show suddenly so offensive that he can no longer be involved? Of two "contoversial" episodes in the tenth season, one ridiculed his faith; the other ridiculed a group they had hit many times before. Which do you think is more likely to have been the reason?

I just read that Issac Hays had a stroke January 17th. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,188463,00.html

Agreed, it's long standing assmunption that it was beause of scientology. The show has constantly ridiculed Christianity multiple times (Jesus is living having a talk show... fights satan. In the movie Satan and sadaam get together) as well as Mormon, Jewish, and other belief systems, however the only other time they've even touched on scientology is a long time ago around season 3 in a small skit not on the show (and I don't believe Hayes was involved). It definatly has to do with the Scientology issue, the show has always been on the edge, the fact it's about Hayes religion is what set him off

South Park Sells Out?

Following Issac Hayes publicized leaving of the show because of the "insensitive" parody of Scientology, the airing of the episode in question "Trapped in the Closet" was pulled, and replaced with an older episode. I'd hate to jump to conclusions, but why is it not aired. It's still being advertised as the episode is not played on the Comedy Central Website at 10:09.

That change MAY have been because they wanted to generate attention for Chef: both of the episodes tonight were Chef-intensive (Chef Aid and Salty Chocolate Balls), so they might be trying to show us a lot of Chef-related episodes to illustrate what we won't see anymore. (POST SCRIPT: THIS WAS THE "OFFICIAL" REASON GIVEN BY COMEDY CENTRAL, ALTHOUGH IT SMELLS FISHY...)

You're all reading maybe a wee bit too much into this. Wait until new episodes start airing again (which is soon) to see how they address it. Bobak 21:19, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
According to Hollywood, Interrupted the ep was pulled by Viacom after Tom Cruise threatened to pull out of publicity for MI:3. --Billdorr 23:31, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Matt and Trey respond http://time.blogs.com/daily_dish/2006/03/matt_and_trey_f.html
Yeah its to bad Chef is gone. But they might enter a new character to replace him. Wonder who? --Cartmandoo 19:12, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
DERP!!! - Ugliness Man 15:49, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Chef's not gone! He lives! He's Darth Chef now! Hats off to Matt & Trey for completely ripping Scientology [again]! Can't wait to see Tom Cruise's reaction,... the man apparently has no sense of humor whatsoever! Dr. Cash 06:51, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Woo-Hoo! In the words of Kinny. Yeah I agree --Cartmandoo 05:28, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
SOuth park would never sell out.23:15, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Censorship->Response section should possibly be removed

The "Response" subsection of the "Censorship" section is almost nothing but a discussion of the 10th-season premiere where Chef is killed off. This material is already covered in the "Chef" entry in "Recurring Characters." It seems better to take the Response section out because of the duplicated information; in my opinion, this info fits better in the "Recurring Characters" section.

South park would never sell out 02:31, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Diversity in the Workplace

In April of 2001, at my last job, when I was given my orientation, I was made to sit through a 30-minute film about diversity in the workplace. It was allegedly made by Trey and Matt. Matt acted in it, although I did not see Trey anywhere. It involved singing and dancing as the workers showed their employer that you need to look at diversity not just in terms of color or ethnicity, but in terms of age, experience, educational background, and values. Otherwise, "diversity" is nothing more than a superficial crock. Steve Landesberg, formerly "Barry" of the comedy series Barney Miller, was in it.

I was wondering if anybody else saw this video?


South Park DVD's

Does anyone know why South Park has never been released from Season 5 onwards in the UK? Play.com had Season 5 as 'available soon' for about 2 years before giving up. Douglasnicol 23:39, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Chef

The part about religion claims that Chef wants to give anal sex to little kids and then goes to hell is... from what I recall, not true. As far as the hell thing goes, anyway. --Discharger12 02:06, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

It's absolutely true that the Chef character (as a result of being brainwashed) did want to molest the children. As for going to hell, I don't see where it's mentioned in the article, but if it is mentioned, it's incorrect as you say, considering that he didn't actually die. - Ugliness Man 11:27, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Peabody Award

I saw an ad on Comedy Central congratulating them on the win. I looked for verification and found it. Got lazy and decided not to cite the page, but if someone has the urge... Also, perhaps we should add a section regarding awards the show has won. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.251.46.22 (talk • contribs).

I agree, and I just wanted to note that if we add an Awards section, we should also fix up the movie's article. Currently the only Awards mention I can find on that article is something called "Wings TEC Critics Awards" (which I've never heard of. Aside from the infamous Oscar nomination (and Robin Williams performance) of "Blame Canada", I seem to remember "Uncle Fucka" winning something on one of MTV's awards shows. - Ugliness Man 08:44, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

They one the Best Original Song from the MTV awards

R. Kelly's a Scientologist?

Is R. Kelly really a Scientologist as it says in the "Scientology Scuffle" section's "Origins" paragraph?

  • No, he merely attempted to get Tom Cruise etc. out of the closet and thereafter entered the closet himself.JTFryman 00:48, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

They were just trying to make fun of his song Trapped in the Closet in the scientology episode, i guess people assumed hes a scientologist.

He's a scientologist. or at least the church of scientology claim he is. it's on his wikipedia article. check the article if you want to know something. wouldn't that be the logical thing? If asking a question on an encyclepedia, check the encylepedia.

Bleeping?

From the article:

In the episode "It Hits the Fan", South Park broke the swearing record by usingen the word "shit" a total of 162 times, unbleeped.

Are there bleeped instances of the word in the same episode? Otherwise, the dangling attribute seems superfluous. In the interest of informativeness... - Samsara (talk • contribs) 00:25, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure there was no bleeping of the word shit in the entire episode. As the "Cop Drama" shit was about 2 to 3 minutes into the episode. The residents of south park also were saying shit from the beginning of the episode. NetStormer 18:35, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
Mentioning the fact that there was no bleeping is not superfluous, because it is in comparison to previous episodes, in which the word was always bleeped. I don't know whether or not I'm repeating information that NetStormer provided since I can't quite decipher exactly what he's saying. - Ugliness Man 10:27, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
The word "Fag" was the one beeing censored when a straight guy said it, thats why when Mr. Garrison said it (and Jimbo, as a gag....?) it wasnt censored. Obviously because he "came out" about a season before the episode. Jgarzafe 08:57, 20 April 2006 (GMT-6)
I fail to see what that has to do with the discussion at hand. We're talking about when the word "shit" is bleeped or left unbleeped. - Ugliness Man 04:45, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

No the question was "Are there bleeped instances of the word in the same episode". So the answer has everything to do with the discussikon at hand, for the question was the begining of the discussion and the answer the end of it.

Islamic Prophet Muhammad

Someone has written the following under religious humor: "In 2006 Comedy Central banned South Park from showing an image of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. In retaliation, South Park aired a 2 part episode culminating in President Bush, Jesus Christ, and various other Americans defecating on each other and the American flag. (This episode originally aired during Holy Week for Christians.)" I think the author meant easter since Christmas 2006 has not yet arrived.

The Christian faith in general doesn't designate any specific week as "Holy Week" (I don't know if the term is used in any individual denominations), so the point is moot. Whether Easter or Christmas is more "important" is completely subjective. Christmas is obviously more universal and more secularized/commercialized, but there are some Christians who put more importance on the Easter weekend since the death and resurrection of Christ were the fullfillment of his destiny, and the primary act that "saved" the world's believers. I'm not a Christiam myself, I'm just explaining the perspective. The underlying point of your original comment, however, is somewhat valid, since "Holy Week" is unofficial and therefore ambiguous. I've changed the phrasing in the article, take a look and see if you like the new version any better. - Ugliness Man 10:43, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
The Catholic faith does indeed designate a week as "Holy Week". It is the week that contains Ash Wednesday. Why dont you try to research something before you make any claims about it...-PuckSR 1:25, 8 May 2006
One thing the article seems to be ignorant of is that Muhammad is not to be physically depicted in any form, it doesn't matter how he is portrayed. "though at the time there was no pre-existing controversy over depicting Muhammed." - Depicting Muhammad is always controversial within Islam., that's the problem. Magic Pickle 00:16, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

But Trey Parker and Matt Stone aren't Muslim, on the contrary Stone is a Jew

Of course- but if they portray Mohammed they will offend Muslims. Do they care? Probably not. Will the staff of Comedy Central or the broadcaster care about the possibility of Muslims rioting/or taking extreme action because they are offended? yes.

When Oh When to watch the movie?

I remember watching the movie a bit before, (I've been watching the show South Park start to finish as of late) and am wondering when I'm supposed to watch the movie. I noticed that during the movie Devil had stopped having gay sex with Saddam due to telling him off and in later episodes of the show he was indeed with someone else. And another reference as to when we should watch the movie is Stan and Wendy. He always puked whenever Wendy came like inches from him like he does in the movie but later in season 4 I think he gets over that puking business. So when exactly do we watch the South Park movie for all of us who are curious?

Continuity was never a major concern for Matt and Trey, although some continuity has become part of the series over the years. However, if you're going to watch the entire series starting at season 1, I'd recommend watching the movie between seasons 2 and 3 for a close approximation of "continuity". - Ugliness Man 01:34, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for that. I've been looking all over the place on the NET as to when to watch the movie and not anyone not even SPStudio.com has even posted the movie etc. Thanks for the input. You should change the Episode listing to have the movie inbetween Season 2 and 3. That way people know from now on.

It actually belongs between Tweek vs. Craig and Sexual Harassment Panda it was released July 4th, 1999. However as long as you watch it before Season 6 as that's when Kenny's character changes. In addition, Most main characters in the movie have been properly developed by episode 1 of Season 2 (namly the Satan+Sadaam relationship). As stated, continuity is not important in the show and you can ignore it for the most part. But those are the important factors for when you watch. --Kinglink 16:48, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Timmy

Why is he noted as a main character when in several episodes he isnt a main recurring character and often only noted for gags and small jokes and in recent episodes non occuring. Also if you state that he is supposed to be a main character then why does his link at the bottom link to recurring characters page with his mini bio there? - avalean 17.april

Trivia

The trivia section is way too long, in my opinion. Any ideas on how to trim it down? M2K e 19:53, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Trivia of South Park Page could be made. However a large amount of this information is overly wordy and duplicate (it take two paragraphs to meantion how in the first five seasons kenny dies almost once an episode and then they say 'you killed kenny" "You bastards"? I just did it in a sentance. Explaining the special features of it can be held til each instance of the special features (first christmas episode he lives) Info about the production company or Matt and Trey's personal life or problems with Moore could be placed elsewhere. It definatly is too wordy, and the list of running gags and such as needless as well as much of the trivia. Trivia of South Park is probably best but getting rid of half the trivia should be easy.--Kinglink 16:45, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Pip was never a main character

Pip is not a main character.

"major characters"

Token Black is as "major", if not more, as Pip.

Mr. Garrison

In the article the following is said in reference to Mr. Garrison's homosexuality: "At the beginning of the series, Mr. Garrison was a chronic gay basher and until confronted by his "Gay Side," had gay fantasies which he always denied having. Mr. Garrison also had a hand puppet, named Mr. Hat, which he explained was gay to a therapist in one episode. The therapist told Mr. Garrison that he expressed his repressed homosexuality through Mr. Hat. This eventually led him to admit he was gay and proud of it." I feel that this is misleading in that the episode being referenced with the therapist ("Summer Sucks") doesn't really lead to Garrison accepting anything about his homosexuality. Rather, the episode "4th Grade," where Mrs. Choksondik seeks out Mr. Garrison in the mountains and impresses upon him that he must come to terms with who he is is moreso why he accepts his homosexuality. Blinutne 21:38, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

South Park Criticism

I keep making a small section on the South Park page about how some people Critisize South Park, and people keep reverting it, what is the problem? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=South_Park&diff=56852774&oldid=56852519 I think this is a perfectly fine section of it. People need to know about these kinds of things, and I am staying 100% neutral with my opinions, im just laying down the FACTS of what other people believe.

WHAT is the problem this time?! User:Igotsomeapples

Please sign your posts by typing four tildes (~), like this: ~~~~. Exploding Boy 17:55, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Ok I signed it, now can someone tell me what im doing wrong?

Igotsomeapples 18:03, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

It isn't very well written or even spell-checked, just for starters. St. Jimmy 18:04, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

No, I'm sorry. You misunderstood: you should sign your posts on talk pages, not your contributions to articles.

Ok, so here's the paragraph:

Some people believe that South Park is nothing but "Foul Language and Toilet Humor", which it was criticized alot in its first season. In response to that, Matt Stone and Trey Parker made "Terrence and Phillip" to show people what a REAL "Foul Language and Potty Humor" show was. Many long time fans have critised as well that the show's quality has been dropping since Season 9, that they're focusing more on proving a point than being funny. Many parents think its ok for their kids to watch South Park at first because it looks like a kids cartoon, but later they find out its not, and accuse South Park for "Corrupting the youth". Artists such as John Kricfalusi, maker of Ren & Stimpy believe that the show is overrated due to the one factor that its easy to draw, and animate an episode, and an episode would take less than a week to be made. Obviously South Park receives alot of criticism from the targets that they make fun of, especially religion. This lead to Issac Hayes to leave before the 10th Season started, because he is a scientologist, and they made fun of scientology.

The way I see it, there are several problems with this paragraph. First, the content is covered elsewhere in the article already. Second, it's simply not very well written. Third, it doesn't follow Wikipedia's manual of style (for example, there are few instances where it's acceptable to use ALL CAPS in an article). Fourth, it contains unverified and unsourced claims. Exploding Boy 18:05, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

It's got too many Katie Courics. "Some people think..." "Many have claimed that..." "You've been accused of..." "Some critics note that...." "Parents are angered by..." Identify these people. Quote the critics. Cite their statements. Bjsiders 15:10, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Or, to put it another way, avoid weasel words. Nuge talk 18:44, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
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