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[edit] Vandalism

"Spouth Park" ripps on all religions and races and other things. They mostly pick on Jews, African American's, and man many others.

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[edit] Environment

Southpark has gotten more and more anti envirnomental. Which I don't have a problem with if they wrote better plots with stronger arguments. But their recent epsidoes have been pretty weak..

I disagree with this statement. There is satirization of environmentalists at times but to say that it is anti environment is factually incorrect. Please take a look at the "rainforest...is not anti-environmental" section further down this talk page. Ben Dando 11:34, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I think the episode 'Smug Alert' perfectly summarises their views on environmentalists which is not anti-environmental.82.69.40.37

And I think that assigning a pro- or anti- label to the show in general or Matt and Trey specifically is pointless, especially if you base it on any one particular episode. With a lot of these issues, they will often indicate a subtle lean towards one side or the other, but they avoid blatantly saying that either side is 100% "right" and the other is 100% "wrong". While it's true that they do deal with a lot of heavy politicial and social stuff, they still maintain that their primary function is to entertain, and they do that through parody, satire, and absurdism. Because these three elements are paramount in their delivery, all we can really derive from each episode is the opinions and positions of the characters. Since the vast majority of the characters are somewhat reprehensible and/or just not that smart, it would be foolish to cite any of their positions as an indication of what Matt and Trey think.
Basically, what I'm trying to say is that usually it's left intentionally ambiguous, and it would be an endless ping-pong game to try and pin it down. Episode X "obviously" shows that they think one way, while episode Y "obviously" shows the opposite. It's pointless and tiresome. I'm sure that Matt and Trey like the fact that their silly little show sparks discussion and debate, but it should be about what we think, not our speculations on what they think. When they have a definite and unambiguous position on an issue that they want us to hear, they will tell us outright, not hint at it through their characters. - Ugliness Man 11:53, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suggesting some cleanup & splitting

  • The controversial/political aspects could be reasonably merged with South Park Republican as South Park (Politics) or something thereof.
  • Recurring characters and articles should be checked for stubbing and merged in Recurring_South_Park_characters as needed.

Cwolfsheep 02:27, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

  1. Done: Subject_matter_in_South_Park Cwolfsheep 05:46, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
  • There is a paragraph about kenny not talking in the music section that should be moved into the kenny section where it is already discussed.

[edit] Hidden Visitors

Is there anyone out there who knows of all the "Hidden Visitor" sightings? If so, would you be willing to create a section informing us of those sightings in each episode? --Salvax 23:49, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

If there was a section that showed EVERY visitor for EVERY episode it would be waaay to long. Possibly an article?
Ah, I thought there was a "Hidden Visitor" in the episodes only a few weeks ago, nice to know I wasn't seeing things. A partial list is availabe here; http://www.spscriptorium.com/Sightings/Sightings.htm Alastairward 12:33, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Religion section

In the religion section, the one sentence i have a problem with is "This is ironic because in one episode they blatently call Mormonism a complete hoax made up by a guy who was obviously lying." They definitely do strongly imply it's a hoax, it's just not blatant.--Charibdis 18:38, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

No, it was pretty blatant. While they never said it outright, they implied it heavily enough through all of the jokes that it is "an elaborate hoax" and such.

It was extremely blatant and not just with the general storyline. During the whole creation of Mormonism story, the background song was "Dumb, dumb, dumb, etc" after everything that happened. When someone finally questioned what Smith was doing and saying, the song immediately switched to "Smart, smart, smart, etc" and then straight back to the "dumb, dumb, etc" after. --pIrish 19:35, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Your interpretation of that episode is questionable. Yes, the back story did mock the story of the book of mormon, and it did imply that Joseph Smith lied. But it was emphatically NOT an attack on Mormons themselves. If it was, think of all the stuff they could have ripped! No caffeine, special underwear etc. Instead, Gary (the little Mormon kid) criticises Stan for worrying emphatically about those stories (as the episode itself had). He was shown to be wise, arguing that, fair enough it was a shitty story, but look what good Mormonism does. Thats a pretty fair message from where I'm standing. --frogemporer 22:18, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Digitally Altered Voices

Well, I didn't read the article in full, but I did do a few searches, and there seems to be no mention of how the children's voices are done. In this official faq link the faq maintainer say that the children's voices are done by adjusting pitch. Someone even readjusted the pitch of two scenes in the movie so you can hear what they sound like here (Mr. Garrison teaches math) and here (What Would Brain Boitano Do?. If you know what Matt and Trey sound like, then you can hear them easily in the boys' voices.

Surely this deserves a mention in at least the trivia section. I watched the entire series as of now, and the movie, and always just assumed Matt and Trey were incredible at mimicking young boys.70.66.9.162 07:21, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and apparantly (official faq) Satan's voice is pitch-shifted down.70.66.9.162 07:36, 30 July 2006 (UTC)


Here's a video of Trey Parker in real time doing a quick Cartman (see 1:15 or so) and it really sounds like crap compared to the voices we hear in finished episodes. Definitely tweaked. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok1ChgLORIs

In an interview for CBS w/ Matt and Trey, there was a shot of the guys in the booth recording dialogue for the episode Free Willzyx(sp). Kyle (Matt Stone) asks the whale "What do you want to talk about?" and the whale (Trey Parker) responds, "Let's talk about rocketships!" Stone's voice while reading the line sounded much different from Kyle's voice like you would hear in a finished episode. Unfortunately I just searched YouTube and can't find that particular video anymore.

As for this article...isn't it common for pitchshifting to be done in cartoons? I'm not sure it really needs to be mentioned unless there's a lot of confusion/contention about it.

[edit] "Rainforest Schmainforest" isn't actually anti-environmental

I see from reading this entry...
In the 1999 episode "Rainforest Schmainforest," an environmental activist, voiced by Jennifer Aniston, made a harrowing trip to the rainforest of Costa Rica with the children, and the experience caused her to conclude that the rainforest "sucks ass."
...that the person who wrote it doesn't understand Satire. It is obviously not meant to be taken literally, I mean Parker and Stone are not putting across the message that we should cut down the Rainforests. It may seem that way if you take it literally, but its really the same as the episode Red Man's Greed, this is not actually saying Native Americans are evil, IT'S SATIRICAL! In-fact it can be argued that they are actually saying exactly the opposite of what is portrayed in the episode. I mean come on do you really think that it is portraying Logging companies as the good guys and the natives as Evil savages?, it's obviously Satire.
Also in broader terms, although certainly some episodes of South Park have what could be called anti-environmental themes, there are also several episodes with what could be called pro-environmental themes. Such as that episode where they parody hunters as trying to "thin out the number" of animals in order to "help them" etc. (and well, Jimbo is a running criticism about Redneck hunter types). I think it was in this episode Volcano (South Park episode), with Scuzzlebutt and all that.
--Hibernian 02:31, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!!! I am glad someone else noticed this. The episodes in question even make it clear that it is not actually the environment they are mocking. I did an edit of the environment section to address this problem, although it was reverted because it was claimed to be a POV. I have re-reverted it. Please take a look and give me your opinion. It still seems slightly like a POV and may need cleaning up. It could be argued that there is no need for the section at all? Ben Dando 08:06, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes I think your edits were very good, and made the section more accurate and NPOV. I suppose the section (or a similar one) should probably still be there, as many people do think the show is "anti-environmental", so if it's deleted it would just be put back. Better perhaps, to put both interpretations forward. It's true that South Park mainly makes fun of people not causes, and I think it's the case here. Also, the article should mention the apparently "pro-environmental" episodes. --Hibernian 21:13, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Matt Stone and Trey Parker are great, superb satirists and it is a darn shame that many of the show's detractors don't realize that. However, the episode in question may not be anti-environmental it was mocking environmentalists. Matt and Trey have stated on several occasions that they truly hate the rainforest, including on the DVD commentary for this very episode. The message of this episode is that most rainforest supporters call the rainforest a beautiful place, but as middle class Americans dependent on common luxuries they would be badly-adjusted if ever in the rainforest and would probably hate it. In fact, before season three started either Matt or Trey went to Costa Rica expecting the rainforest to be beautiful, hated it, and made this episode in retaliation.

[edit] Matt Stone is not co-writer

Trey Parker writes the episodes alone and sometimes he's supported by the "advisors". Matt's name is not in the credits, i thought it really would suck if he didn't collaborate writting the cartoon he co-created but he really doesn't, as you can check on the oficial site, if he did though, it WOULD be in the credits, i've never seen his name in none (but it could still be some kind of internal joke), so you have to alter LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTS of articles like this one, matt stone's, terrance and philip: behind the blow ("there are some rumours...") and so on. That sucksass but he fun thing is that the show express Trey's and Matt's points of view, so i guess this means that Parker knows pretty well his friend.

The ideas for the episodes come from a writting staff(Trey and Matt are part of this writting staff)and then Trey writes the final script for the episodes.Matt wrote and directed episodes from several seasons himself.User:alfredosolis

Matt has not had a writing credit on the show since the Season 4 premiere, The Tooth Fairy Tats 2000. Trey has been credited as sole writer for every episode since. - Zone46 04:31, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Muhammad on front page

Not to nag, but could someone please remove the picture of Muhammad on the page. I respect the right to free speech, but the picture of Muhammad makes it seem like this show is overly insensitive. I have no objection to keeping it on the episode it was in, but right now people might read this, see Muhammad, and get spooked. I don't think political correctness goes too far when it protects the honor and integrity of a group of people. Gorgo7h3 01:38, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, how much the image would scare people away is debatable. The image is completely justified considering the text next to it. If someone is reading the article just for the pictures, and then goes on to make a grand assumption about the show because of one picture, I'm not really sure they're worth having here. Looking at the image itself, if it didn't have a caption or related text next to it, I seriously doubt anyone would correspond it to Muhammad; for one thing he's wielding fireballs, and for another the physical man is over a thousand years dead. It could just as easily be assumed it's some random guy with a turban that's wielding fire. Sorry if this was all confusing; it's late and I'm not making much effort to make my point clear.--Charibdis 05:06, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] How stupid can one page get!?

Sub-heading Animal Sexuality? Sure, that's the point. Animal sexuality. sheesh. Non-encyclopaedia-like.

"Scientology (which the creators consider a cult)". What use do the parentheses serve? Most people who have ever heard of it consider it a cult. I'm sure the wiki page makes that abundantly clear. Even the phrase "multiple episodes have tackled the shaky logical foundations of cults" is non-professional. I agree with it, but it's opinion, conjecture.

It's "Kyle's Mom's a Bitch", no 'is'.

The heading "Music" also basically recounts several episodes. It's dumb. Have a sub-heading "episode content" if you must. How was Kyles' Mom's a Bitch popular? Did it race up the rap charts?

I would say: good try, but this page needs to be shorter, with less unreadable blurb

Child abuse and neglect? Come on. You can't put a heading for every subject that every show's covered. 'It's a recurring theme'. Yeah, well farts are a recurring theme, famously, but the word fart doesn't appear once.

'Catholocism' is under 'controversy', but there is a heading 'religious humor' too.

Usually employing [..] black comedy? I don't agree with that.

Again, good effort, but there's so much, it's hard to navigate, and there's a good bit of tidying up to do.

It's better to light a single candle than to curse the darkness. If you feel strongly about these things, go ahead and edit them yourself, that's what makes Wikipedia so great, you can do that. And in the future, please sign your comments on these Talk pages, it's not really a big deal to hit four tildes. - Ugliness Man 16:39, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] WikiProject

Hello everyone, I am User:Mr. Garrison. I have been contributing many articles recently under the username User:Timmay!, unfortunately I lost my password and left a message that this user is going. Well my new home is User:Mr. Garrison. Under both names I have created many articles for characters such as Ms. Choksondik and Shiela Broflovski.

Look on the proposed projects page and go to WikiProject South Park. Have a look at it and see if it interests you. It's aim is to improve and cleanup articles and to arrange articles into better categories to make it look better and easier to navigate. If you like it, add your name. Once there are about 10 names the project will start running. Please join and help make South Park better on Wikipedia.

Mr. Garrison 18:04, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Transphobia section very POV

Just a suggestion, the entire section on Transphobia, featuring commentary on the EP "Mr. Garrison's Fancy New Vagina" reads entirely as POV. It begs to be edited or re-written so that it doesn't come off as one person's opinion.

Actually, just delete it. It brings nothing to the table since it is written entirely POV.

This section is very POV. In "Mr. Garrison's Fancy New Vagina", most of the characters do not seem to act in a "transphobic" way. In fact the boys seem to be rather matter-of-fact about it, and immidately start treating Mr. Garrison as Mrs. Garrison. The only character that could be percieved that way is the Doctor who tells Mrs. Garrison that he isn't really a woman (just a man with a horribly mutilated penis). Perhaps this section needs to be transformed into a human sexuality (or sexual diversity) section.

[edit] POV in "Cartman"

There are too many words that describe Cartman. Clearly it has been written by a cartman hater. Not only that, but it makes out that cartman isn't a good character when this is not true. Cartman is a hilarius character who the writers love to write for. there isn't enough reference to his popularity.

As far as I can tell, that section is merely a synopsis of each character; popularity doesn't apply. Everything in the article is true though; examples can be found in various episodes for each of the adjectives used to describe him. These characteristics are what make him a "hilarius character who the writers love to write for;" it's not something you often see in television (or in movies, for that matter). I do agree with you, though, that the list may be a bit too long. The entire section is written somewhat unprofessionally for that matter. Definitely something to be rewritten.--Charibdis 05:19, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
I've taken a stab at cleaning up this section, still needs quite a bit of work though. --MutantMonkey (talk | work) 17:06, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Asshole Beeping

why is it that they beep out asshole now? i remember a time when all that was beeped out was shit, fuck, cunt, pussy sometimes, cock, and even the whole word mother fucker, but why is it they will say ass but beep out hole?

It's supposed to be a joke.


[edit] Dvorak Sound Effect Trivia

Fifty-one seconds into the following youtube clip is a sound effect commonly used in South Park: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09_5T8UmQQI . The descending string, timpani stroke, wind outburst is from the first movement of Symphony No. 9 (Dvořák). Its at the end of the brief adagio introduction and part of the segue to the main allegro portion of the movement. Does anyone have a better reference for this effect? I know I've heard it watching South Park many times before. DavidRF 04:14, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gay rights

Matt and Trey do support gay rights.Tey were even nominated for a GLAAD award for the Big gay Al episode. Also in Follow that egg Stan and Kyle don't break the egg but Cartman and his girl partner break their egg,this was a reference to gay couples beign better parents that some hetorosexual couples.


The Gay Rights section ought to be rewritten. Currently, it seems to mistake several of the attacks on anti-gay rights as being anti-gay rights themselves. The article misses the general South Park style and takes it as Matt and Trey's actual opinion as opposed to what they're trying to attack.

What are you talking about? Each anti-gay statement is qualified as follows:
  1. "deemed "too offensive" to people with religious values"
  2. "homophobia is portrayed sarcastically when Mr. Garrison says to Stan when he asks what a homosexual is"

If there's anything else I missed that gives the impression of anti-gay rights then go ahead and write it so it can be corrected. Right now, I think the section is pretty good and accurately shows what Matt and Trey believe and what they mock. Gdo01 02:41, 5 October 2006 (UTC)


"Although Parker and Stone are presumed to be libertarian, the show has not explicitly supported gay rights" gives the impression from the start that it's ambiguious which way a lot of their satire is leaning. It's not. It's quite obvious what they intend.

". In the episode "Follow That Egg!", gay marriage is deemed "too offensive" to people with religious values and it's suggested it should be re-designated as something else. In the end of this episode however, gays are shown as capable of raising children, and gay marriage is made legal in South Park."

This also makes it sound like it could lean either way. I just feel like the article is poorly worded in that respect and gives a poor representation of the actual feelings of Stone and Parker.

Using a word like "obvious" doesn't make it so. People see and hear what they want to, whether it be an opinion which agrees with their own so they feel justified, or an opinion which disagrees with their own so they can feel righteous in objecting. Matt and Trey intentionall stradle the fence on issues constantly, and people can interpret them the way they wish, but just because you think that it's "obvious" doesn't mean that everyone else is going to see it the same way. I've encountered people who think that it's "obvious" from the lyrics of They Might Be Giants that they're Christian, which is total bullshit (whether or not they're Christian, it's not an "obvious" factor in their lyrics). The article might be poorly worded, but I'd say you're too biased to be the one to "fix" it. Matt and Trey don't need you putting words in their mouths. - Ugliness Man 04:40, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Population

Southpark seems to have around 4388 residents (see Chef goes nanners). Maybe that info can be crammed somewhere in.

[edit] Merging

I suggest that the following characters be merged. These characters are very minor and only appear in one or two episodes:

Any comments/objections?--TBCTaLk?!? 17:01, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

For the most part, no, but Mr.Hankey is a popular character and appeared in atleast 4 episodes. Jesus has also appeared in almost every episode of the first season, and hasen't been seen in a few seasons but he's definitly recurring. Saddam Hussein and Satan were two stars of the movie, which is pretty significant in my opinion.

there are so many more much oftener recurring characters--Lygophile 23:28, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I have to agree with Mr. Conspiracy. Most of those characters only appear for a few seconds in one episode. --(trogga) 00:30, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


I agree, but with a few exceptions. Mr. Hankey, Big Gay Al, and Starvin' Marvin are big enough characters to have their own pages. --DevilSavior 01:55, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Major Character Section Editing

A lot of the material presented for Cartman, Kenny, and to a lesser extent Butters, seems to be repetitive and superfluous. It seems even more unnecessary when you take in to account that each of these characters has their own article where most (if not all) of the information is presented again. How would you all feel about trimming down Cartman, Kenny, and Butter's sections to the size of Stan and Kyle's? Mapache 22:23, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Archiving

This talk page has gotten really long, so I'm archiving it.--TBCTaLk?!? 17:06, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page needs a cleanup

There is a lot of redundant info here. There are a lot of lists and the whole article's quality degenerates as it goes on. It's weird how people worked hard to make list of South Park episodes a featured list (and a damn good one, too), but the main show's article is a mess. Just my opinion. - Zone46 01:52, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

  • Agreed - I think that the Controversies and Recurring Themes sections could be shorted to a few sentences about each topic. We don't need to explain whole episode plots (the pages about those episodes have that. Unless anyone has a reason why I shouldn't (or unless someone does it before I do), I will cut down the sections on vulgarity, Scientology, Catholicism, Islam, Political Issues, Gay Rights, Child Abuse, Animal Sexuality, Religion and Environment. Instead of rehashing whole episodes, I will have links to the pages on each episode. Hopefully, we could have a decent page, since for such a popular show, this page really sucks. WU03 01:05, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
You are removing entire sections, not just trimming them down. That's not what you said you would be doing. CovenantD 04:43, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Top 100

"In March 2005, South Park hit the number three spot in the 100 Greatest Cartoons,"

An impressive feat, so I followed the reference and it cited "Channel 4". This seems very weak. I am new here -- brand new -- so new that my carpet still has that formaldehyde smell -- so I don't know how to do anything else but type in this here comment.


[edit] North Park?

Is there a...North Park? I think it was mentioned somewhere....

It was mentioned in Summer Sucks I believe. --MutantMonkey (talk | work) 22:28, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Political bent of South Park

South Park's political bent seems not to be moderation or libertarianism, but nihilism; nothing really matters. That's why the show mocks liberals (and to a lesser extent, conservatives- especially religious conservatives), especially celebrities; the creators seem to believe there is nothing earnestly worth caring about, and those that do care passionately about anything are rubes or simpletons that can be taken apart by three children.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.152.249.136 (talk • contribs).

Do you have a suggestion for the article? This is not a discussion forum about the show. CovenantD 03:46, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Subject matter in South Park covers this. Cwolfsheep 04:34, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Conservatives, gay rights

"South Park Conservatives who hold ideas from extreme ends of the political spectrum, believing, for instance, that global warming is a myth while supporting gay rights."

In the recurring themes->political issues subsection, it says this. South Park _does_ support gay rights, so... AFAICS this should be changed, but I'm not sure to what... Anyway, you can check out "Follow the egg", for example... Insertformulahere

[edit] Colored photorealistic photo?

Yea, is the "photorealistic picture" supposed to be in color? I'm gonna leave it for now, but I'm pretty sure it never was in color before...71.192.228.21 19:46, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

No, it was never in colour on the show, it was colourized by fans, there's probably a few different versions, varying in quality. - Ugliness Man 15:57, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Weasel words

"The show is often regarded as a subtle politically right perspective of American culture and society, eventually influencing the novel South Park Conservatives, while also spawning the phrase South Park Republican". I'm not sure if this is too NPOV, also, "often regarded" is so inappropiate for such a controversial show. I'm not sure if I should revert it. Any opinions? -- Amenzix 23:51, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

  • I support your revert. Key words: "OFTEN REGARDED" and "SUBTLE". These alone already spark NPOV concerns.--WaltCip 20:26, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Emmy Awards

Would it be too difficult to list the specific episodes nominated for Emmy awards on the main page?--MythicFox 09:10, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't know, but the following episodes have been nominated: Big Gay Al's Big Gay Boat Ride, Chinpokomon, Osama Bin Laden Has Farty Pants, It's Christmas in Canada, Best Friends Forever, Trapped in the Closet. Atomic1609 20:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Ah-hah. Well, there we go, then... that should be all of them.--MythicFox 07:55, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 1st trivia entry

Shouldn't it be implimented in the Origins section? Moshe Gordon 18:19, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Irwin controversy removed?

I don't see anything about it on here. It was just deleted out of the blue. Seems a bit random. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.89.185.42 (talk • contribs).

It was deleted without reason by an IP user but at the same time the section was poorly written. The controversy section in Hell on Earth 2006 is concise and semi-cited. I would suggest transplanting that here or rewriting it somewhat and putting it here. Gdo01 23:36, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Nowhere is a cite given that anyone in Australia gives a monkey's about this. I'll kill the latest reference to this.Greglocock 06:06, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Canada

Someone NEEDS to put the flamming of Canada in the controversies section!

[edit] What Kenny Says

There's a bit under the heading 'Music' that lists what Kenny, apparently, says. It says that 'With the exception of the latest line, all of these lines have been proven official in an interview with the creators', then it links to a source that appears to be just a fan site. Is this source really reliable?--Jcvamp 04:06, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jimmy based episodes

Hey, not to break Wikipedia rules or anything or to trouble any of you guys but can someone send me a list of Jimmy-based episodes please? Thanks much!!! GunFactor007 21:18, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bush Vs. Clinton

I changed the section where it said that Bush was ridiculed less frequently than Clinton. Clinton, by my count, appears twice- once in the Red Badge of Gayness and once in Bigger Longer & Uncut. George Bush is ridiculed about eight times in the series. I would argue that the creators spend more time on liberal/conservative issues rather than the presidents.

Also, in the same section, I removed a quote of Stone saying he hates conservatives but really hates liberals. I did this because the citation reffers to a biased story that does not cite its original source for the quote which means that it is a third party reference and taken out of context.

[edit] Opening song list

With so many people editing this article every day, I don't want to just go ahead and delete something like this for fear of pissing some people off, so I'll "open it for discussion". I think that the list of what Kenny "actually" says in the opening song should probably be trashed. For one thing, unless someone can link to an unambiguous confirmation from Matt & Trey, it's fan speculation. This is the case with pretty much every thing Kenny ever says on the show, I've seen countless fan-based websites with moronic "translations" of Kenny's dialogue, but it's all speculation, and I hardly see how such garbage belongs in this article. Second, I'm pretty damn sure that Timmy doesn't say "live a lie". He's a spazz with a speech impediment, and I don't think that part is actually words, it's probably just an exclamation of some sort half-way between "yeah yeah" and "la la". Not only does "live a lie" not make very much sense (unless you're a conspiracy theorist/nutjob), but it's just not something that Timmy would say. So maybe we should take votes on this or something... should the list be deleted, and if not, should Timmy's part be edited to something that resembles reality? - Ugliness Man 13:49, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit]  :( Unfortunately the South Park ended before Kramer =

Unfortunately the South Park season ended before the whole Michael Richards controversy. This would have been pretty funny to see South Park make fun of Richards. Oh well! We can't put anything about this in the article because it didn't happen. South Park season was over so they couldn't make fun of the situation. 65.31.99.71 01:37, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

This isn't a message board, if it's not about the wiki article it shouldn't be here, go to a fan page to talk about the show itself. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.167.106.88 (talk • contribs) 22:03, 3 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Removed

In the theme song Kenny actually says:

Season 1 to 2 (Original Theme): "I like girls with big fat titties, I like girls with big vaginas."
Season 3 to 5 (Season 3 Re-Recorded Theme & Fourth Grade Theme): "I have got a 10-inch penis. Use your mouth to help me clean it".
Season 6: (Note: Kenny has been replaced by Timmy) "Timmy, Timmy, Timmy, Timmy, Timmy, Timmy, live a lie Timmy!"
Season 7 to Season 10A and syndication: "Someday I'll be old enough to stick my dick up Britney's butt".
Season 10B : "I would like to smell your pussy, clean it with my finger for you". Backwards: "Suck my penis, Suck my penis, Suck my penis, Suck my penis".
With the exception of the latest line, all of these lines have been proven official in an interview with the creators.[1]

Please provide a better reference i couldnt find anything their (Gnevin 13:54, 1 December 2006 (UTC))

Just see here: http://www.spscriptorium.com/SPinfo/OCsecrets.htm Seb662 18:42, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
One fan site would harldy pass WP:Source or WP:Cite need something more main stream (Gnevin 19:41, 1 December 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Lower East Side?

I removed the following text from the character descriptions for Kenny:

"Kenny comes from a poverty-stricken family in South Park's equivalent of New York City's pre-gentrified Lower East Side."

I don't think there's any evidence that indicates "the poor part of South Park" is supposed to be modeled after the Lower East side, I honestly don't know where idea comes from, but it's gone. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.167.106.88 (talk • contribs) 22:00, 3 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Jew is more of a nationality, not race

In: "He hates Cartman because of his constant ridiculing of his faith and race and..." changed race to nationality since Jew is not a description of race. European Jews are white, Ethiopian Jews are black and so on. Nationality isn't the best word, either since American Jews are "American" by nationality but still better than race.

RV as per [1] are a race (Gnevin 01:17, 4 December 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Unrelated categories should be removed

Namely, "Black comedy" and "LGBT-related television programs". Neither of the two fit under this article. --66.227.194.89 05:49, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Albums

I'm not finding it in the article, but didn't South Park generate some albums early on? I recall buying Chef Aid and that Christmas album sometime around the 1999-2001 time period. Shouldn't there be a list of noteworthy spinoff media, or a mention of the most significant releases? -Timvasquez 04:35, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

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