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[edit] I think the page was ruined

I think some troll haxxored the page probably the GNAA

[edit] Financial woes

I wonder why there is no mention of their recent financial woes? --CharlesC 10:02, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Columbia

I notice that Columbia Pictures is a redirect to this page; Columbia had a long and interesting history before Sony bought them in 1989, and it really should have its own article. I'll go ahead and start on it, though I don't have much time at the moment. -lee 16:14, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)

[edit] From Talk:Sony

background on the sony brand: [1]

from [2]:

In 1958, Tokyo Tsushin Kogyo, which was gaining recognition for its Sony brand goods, changed its name to Sony Corporation. The name "Sony" is easy to pronounce and read in any language.

from [3]:

Following registration of the Sony trademark and the company's rebirth as Sony Corporation, plans to internationalize, diversify operations, and widen brand recognition were successfully implemented

This shows that the Sony brand it trademarked, and existed prior to "Sony Corporation". It was a brand of the "Tokyo Tsushin Kogyo"

Christopher Mahan 18:56, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Note the TTK continued to be used as a brand name for electronic components, including valves/tubes.

[edit] Page move discussion

(from Wikipedia:Requested moves)

[edit] Sony Corporation → Sony

  • This will move the page back to where it was for at least 3+ years until yesterday, which I think counts as consensus. It was moved by one user wanting to reflect an obscure quirk of Japanese corporate law in a completely not-useful way. The two pages listed on the new Sony page are subsidiaries of Sony Corp, so could equally well still be linked after the move. -- Dtcdthingy 11:30, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. Rd232 14:17, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Oppose. I am the user in question. Sony is a brand, a marque, trademark even. The name of the corporation is "Sony Corporation". You don't call the "Disney" company "Disney" because everybody calls it that. You call it The Walt Disney Company because that's its name. Christopher Mahan 18:41, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC).
    • Which would make sense if the page was only about the Corp, but it's not, it's equally about the brand and the product and the subsidiaries and lots of things in between. Move it to a general Sony page, branch off sub-pages if necessary -- Dtcdthingy 20:41, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Sony should be a redirect to Sony Corporation. violet/riga (t) 19:53, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. Sony's subsidaries and other external links can be referenced at the bottom of the Sony page, there is nothing ambiguous, it's all one big family. --Gunter 20:34, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. An utterly unnecessary disambiguation. The Walt Disney Company should also be moved to Disney. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 11:56, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. The article's scope is not limited to the corporation. ADH (t&m) 17:02, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. and move that other article to Disney while you're at it, like Tony Sidaway suggested. SECProto 03:51, Jan 3, 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose. Article titles should be formal and specific, so I'm with violet/riga here. For example, in the sentence "Disney was responsible for creating the movie Fantasia", the company or the person could equally be the subject and it would be disconcerting to be told that "Disney" exclusively meant the company. The way to deal with this is with a redirect so people realize that they need to look for a bio-page when they get redirected to the clearly labeled company article. BanyanTree 00:31, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose. The article is primarily about the Sony Corporation, with some added material about the Sony brand (which can be moved back to Sony). For a good model for how I think the Sony article should be, I recommend the article Toyota. COGDEN 02:34, Jan 11, 2005 (UTC)
  • Support, Sony is a universal brand. --Mateusc 18:26, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Page move

For what it's worth, article titles are not supposed to be formal, so that two votes above are simply contrary to the Manual of Style. See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names). As an example of this practice, see Nintendo. If I had realized this page was up for moving, I would have supported it, however it appears I missed it. As is, six supported while four opposed, but as I mentioned above, two of those votes were contrary to the Manual of Style, leaving us with six supports and two opposes. The answer seems obvious to me, but I'll leave this sit for a while. - Vague | Rant 08:47, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)

As you may have noticed, I've now moved the article. - Vague | Rant 05:24, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] I don't get this:

"Until late 2004, Sony's various digital portable music players did not support even the de facto standard MP3 natively, although the software provided with them would convert MP3 files into the ATRAC formats."

I've seen other articles on the internet about this too, but it doesn't appear to be true.

Look at these:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/026-0806288-3435660

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00008W7LI/qid=1110469622/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8__i1_xgl23/102-6766395-9483344?v=glance&s=electronics&n=507846


The D-NE511 and D-NE510 (seems to be US variant) Atrac CD Walkmans, both available from Amazon since March 2003. I have a 511 which I bought in August '03, and I can assure you it can play any old normal MP3 just stuck onto a plain old ISO9660 format CD-R/RW.

CD Walkmans are also "digital portable music players", are they not? I don't see what's not digital or portable about them...

Indeed. I've fixed it to say Network Walkmans, since they are the product line meant. --Dtcdthingy 05:24, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Slogan

Is it still "Like No Other"? I haven't heard that one before. The slogan used for the last few years, at least here in Australia, has been "It's a Sony" It's said in an American accent, and the ads are filmed in America, so I can only assume it's the American slogan as well. I am hesitant to edit without others agreeing, however.

The slogan varies of division for division and time. "Sony Style" was the big part of the group in last years. Currently doesn't have a defined slogan, only the remote concept of "Sony World" - "life style"
Right now the oficial slogan for SOA (Sony of America) is "Sony: Like No Other" according to different advertisements both in U.S.A. and in Latin America. Also continous mentions to "Sony Style" as a "door" to the "Sony Experience" .Sony is trying to develop a unified, global customer experience, it appears. But as always Sony is "sligthly" disorganized and a lot of faults occurr... Anyway, If a "Slogan" section in the article is created, it should mention the most used occurrences (The ones mentioned above). Your thoughts? --Ziggrrauglurr 17:11, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] First section

The whole thing about terrible consoles and failing horribly. I'm no sony fanboy, but I think someone who likes the xBox 360 a little too much edited it. I don't know how to fix it.

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[edit] Rootkit debate

I don't want to open a can of worms here, but technically this wasn't a rootkit, was it? It was nasty and used techniques to hide the software which rootkits use, but I don't think it was really a rootkit. And there's no need to mention it twice, both in "Digital Rights Management" and "Legal". 193.134.254.145 18:28, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

By any textbook definition it *was* a rootkit, albeit a very limited one. What it apparently lacked was a provision to allow backdoor access. However the full implications of this code have never been fully documented. It is known that it included spyware elements. I think it deserves important mention because at the time (and still presently) it broke laws in several European countries, that is to say - I emphasise - it was a *criminal act*, notably in the UK where it directly and unambiguously is illegal under the Computer Misuse Act. I believe this fact is being actively swept under the carpet and its ommission is wrong. Imho it deserves more prominant and thorough treatment since it has historical significance in being the first example of a major corporation commiting a "cybercrime".

[edit] Sony vs. Sony

I've snippets of a story online about one division of Sony suing another at one point. Does anyone have this full story? --ZachPruckowski 00:21, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bravia in the UK

I would like to start a page for Braivia users in the UK. It would have details of the Freeview software updates and more detailed explanations of the tv functions --86.141.167.210 18:29, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sony documental

Hi, has anybody seen a documental that tells the story of how seven japanese came to the USA and Germany, trying to open the market to the Sony radio? It was a very nice documental, lots of information, very very entertaining, it was in japanese, I saw it with spanish subtitles.

At the end appears Akio Morita (I think), who is sitting next to the host, then the host hands him the first radio, a red one, and he says: "I've forgotten that it was so heavy" with a surprised face :) :P

Any ideas of the name?

thanks.

Acrilico 01:27, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

By "documental" I'm assuming you mean "documentary"? I'm not familiar with that documentary, though I'd be interested in seeing it. (^_^) --日本穣 Nihonjoe 01:59, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi Nihonjoe, I found it! Well, actually a friend of my mother has it, it's in VHS, and they asked me to pass it to a CD, so I'll keep you informed about it, bye! --Acrilico 23:08, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
That's great. (^_^) I'll be interested to learn more about it. --日本穣 Nihonjoe 03:05, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] School project

YA I'M LOOKING FOR THE THE INVENTER OF SONY ANYONE HERD OF HIM BECUSE I'M DOING THIS FOR A PROGECET AT SCHOOLE MY ENGLISH SUCKS SO I HOPE YOU CAN HELP ME THANKS —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.174.135.52 (talk • contribs) .

Sony is a company, so no one "invented" it, per se. Did you read the article? It talks about the founders of the company. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 23:01, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

I see this page has had a lot of vandalism recently. Is that common on this page or is it just because of Sony's recent media prominence (with the new playstation announcements)? If it is just a recent and temporary thing, could we have one of those "no edits unless you're logged in" locks on the page? TastyCakes 21:16, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Okay what the heck

Sony was known for starting a SLEW of prodcucts that came out in the 80s, and that people are STILL copying today. Well Why are we just sweeping this under the rug? -Dragong4

[edit] Memory Stick

There are a couple of Samsung devices that I found that use MS as a storage format, so it's not the case that "no other manufacturers" use it. See [4] and [5]

salam from pakistan ,

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[edit] DVD+R(W)

Didn't Sony help develop the "plus" writable DVD formats? It's part of the DVD+RW Alliance, but that and the "plus" formats aren't mentioned here. --Evice 18:58, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Soh-nee?

Where is this "soh-nee means business is bad" thing taken from? Sō ne (そうね）means "that's right" or "indeed"; sōni (僧尼) is "monks and nuns", but would probably not be understood unless written. Jpatokal 11:46, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I took that line about Sonny-boys from Akio Morita's book "Made in Japan"

[edit] Format problems?

The entire Sony page seems to have been messed up. It's got the same basic page copied around 10 times and numerous other problems. Any reasoning for this? Robert, 67.126.87.205 04:32, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

yes i noticed that too. i tried my best to fix it up and get rid of duplicated parts. hope i managed to do a good job. Integrity168 21:43, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bleem!

Hey mabye we should add the bleem cases of 2000 where Sony sued the emulator company which made a Psone emulator for the Dreamcast. For those who don't know its similar to the Lik Sang thing that happened, I think it should be added. --Elven6 02:15, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Didn't Bleem! also make other emulator programs too? I don't remember but I think its a good idea if you wanna add something about Bleem! I don't know enough about what happened myself... Integrity168 04:27, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Just wondering, shouldn't the Sony page include something about the various proposed boycotts against the company? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.128.246.164 (talk • contribs).

It seem to me as though there should be one and only one capitalization/punctuation of bleem!. As it is, the company has "bleem!", "bleem", and "Bleem" as its names. Someone who knows more about this than me should change it so all of the times the company is mentioned by name it should be the same. Thanks, --Gphototalk 01:18, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Here is a link to an archive of bleem!s original website. If you click the red Contact button at the bottom of the page, you'll see that in their offical Company Mail Address, they use "bleem! inc." Based on this, I recommend "bleem!" be used for all references to the company, with the lower case "b", and the exclamation point. Using "bleem! inc." is probably excessive, in the same way that saying "Sony Corp." instead of just Sony is excessive. (I'll make the bleem! change myself when my account is old enough to have edit privileges.) Froboz 07:04, 13 December 2006 (UTC)Froboz

[edit] Article for criticisms on Sony

I think that the size of the criticism section warrants a split. Comments? Additionally, wasn't there a CD thing that installed software onto peoples' computers? - A Link to the Past (talk) 00:45, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Just today, a new controversy has come up regarding a viral marketing site called www.alliwantforxmasisapsp.com with compelling evidence that it was created and run by the marketing firm Zipatoni and funded by Sony. When the dust settles, this incedent will surely be added to this section.

From an organizational perspective, a split would seem reasonable. However, being as neutral as I can on the topic, I think a company that has incurred this many marketing blunders probably warrants keeping the controversies in with the main article. Moving the controversies to their own article can easily be interpretted as sweeping them under the rug, so that an extra click is required to view them.

The Walmart article is a good guide. There are many criticisms for Walmart, but the editors felt compelled to keep them in the same article. I recommend the criticisms stay in the Sony article as well. Froboz 07:42, 13 December 2006 (UTC)Froboz

[edit] "Though sales of UMD movies were mediocre, sales of UMD games sky rocketed."

Do you think that should be removed? UMD games sky rocketed? They are the only games available for the PSP.

[edit] history of SONY

there should be some mention of masaru ibuka and Akio morita the founders of sony in a bombed out basement in 1946 - check superbrands uk Alkags 17:48, 3 December 2006 (UTC) kags

[edit] easy enough to find citation on sony psp graffiti (re: citition needed)

a) Molly Smith was manager of SCEA PR since PS1 or so, 10+ years, you can verify with google.
b) top hit for sony graffiti PSP on google is this article:
http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,69741,00.html
Quotes from article Other cities targeted in the campaign include New York, Chicago, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Los Angeles and Miami, according to Sony spokeswoman Molly Smith.
When asked about the criticism, Smith countered that art is subjective and that both the content and the medium dovetailed with Sony's belief that the PSP is a "disrupter product" that lets people play games, surf the internet and watch movies wherever they want.
[emphasis added]

Since I'm not registered I'll let someone who has the access to the page edit it. You can find additional citations quite easily with google, and if you include Molly Smith as keywords you can see official sony PR comments/statements on it.
10:21, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

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