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Contents 1 Jason Griffith? 2 The TRUE Spiritual Successor 3 Character problem 4 Name? 5 Like the Sonic Rush demo? 6 4kids is voicing in this game, unfortunately. 7 What happened to the Wi Fi speculation? 8 Speculation 9 Not 4Kids again! 10 Two Years in development? 11 Sonic and the Secret Rings 12 Takashi Iizuka? 13 Sonic and the Secret of the Rings 14 Final Title 15 It's Eggman 16 Vandal Alert... 17 Reversion 18 Similarities 19 Screenshot Discussion 20 Levels 21 Stop putting garbage down 22 Inaccurate Sonic the Hedgehog 2006 reference 23 Wicked New Boxart! 24 One Question

[edit] Jason Griffith?

I just watched the new Sonic and the Secret Rings trailer and they used the other trailer 3D stuff. This time the voice had changed tempo and other things changed to make it sound less like the Sonic Riders game. It might have meant that Jason is doing the voice or Jason did a trailer because they haven't gotten another actor yet. User:Sonicxtreme 2:55 PM, 01 October, 2006

It's possible but y'never know. It could change.Knuckles sonic8 02:11, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

What do you think about the Jason Griffith to Ryan Drummond thing? User:Sonicxtreme 11:19 PM, 03 October, 2006

[edit] The TRUE Spiritual Successor

Perhaps this isn't the place to write this, but if you ask me, this game (slightly hokey storyline aside) looks like it will be more traditional and more faithful to the way most of us remember and prefer Sonic, as opposed to the 360 and PS3 title, which is increasingly adding new elements on which "The jury is still out" on (in my opinion, anyway). What are your guy's thoughts? - Nepharski 5:35 PM, 28 May 2006

You're pretty right. I thought the recent trailer made the once awesome game look horrible. I'll try it anyways, but I've lost most of my hype. THIS game on the other hand = yes. --Luigifan13 20:54, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't like all the new stuff that just maks Sonic seem a little too much like everyone else. He and his games were special. He was really fast especially in Sonic the Hedgehog 2 where he run off the screen, unlike stupid Sonic 1, 3, and Knuckles, but they still ok. In the new games they have some cool stuff but they did it in a bad way. When you look at the good simple and smart Sonic like in Adventures Of Sonic The Hedgehog, who doesn't go looking for trouble as it comes to him, you see something that looks like it'd be rare and different from other shows and games but now he's doing all this crap that you'd never see in a show like that. But at least he's fast again, FINALLY. Axidous 21, July 2006

[edit] Character problem

Since Sonic's the only playable character, does this mean there aren't any supporting characters? --Alexie 17:57, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Not necessarily. Take, say, Sonic the Hedgehog 2 (WAY back when). Sonic was the only 1-player playable character, but in 2-player mode, player 2 is Tails. Also, Eggman (Dr. Robotnik) was a non-player character; although you couldn't play as him, he was in the cutscenes and bosses and was therefore still present during the game. I.M.Fearless 00:46, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Tails was a 1P character too, back then. But as far as Sonic 1, Eggman was there. What I'm betting is that Jet or the rest of the Babylon Rogues come into play with the "Arabian Nights" thing there. Tom Temprotran 04:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Maybe Jet is one of the multiplayer characters! Interesting thought.... I.M.Fearless 19:37, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

• fangirl squeal* --Alexie 21:25, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

How would you control them on the Nintendo Wii? T_T But I guess that be interesting. Jets voice only sounds bad in some parts. To Alexie: "You go girl"! O_o Axidous 21, July 2006

we need to confrim who's there aside from Sonic and Eggman on a side not I hope Tails and Rouge are there they are two of my favorites65.54.154.43

[edit] Name?

What is with all the name changing?! Here's Sega's web page announcing the game, and it clearly says "Wild Fire", 2 words. Link -- VederJuda 22:24, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Wildfire, Wild Fire... same thing. It's a working tittle (even though the non typed working logo says WILDFIRE).

[edit] Like the Sonic Rush demo?

I noticed that this game's "autopilot" format somewhat resembles the Sonic DS demo that was shown at E3 2004. Could we add that to the article?

[edit] 4kids is voicing in this game, unfortunately.

It seems to be true, watch the videos at IGN.com, you hear Sonic talking and "yelling" as usual, and it sounds like Jason's voicing him, again!

• That's not necesarrily bad news. Some of the voice actors on Sonic X are actually quite suited to their roles, but the scripting department gives them less than "inspired" dialogue. Robotnik's new voice actor, for instance, is actually very, VERY good, in my opinion, and It's not as if they can get Deem back, unfortunately. Still, this doesn't mean we have to forgive them for kicking out Ryan Drummond, which will forever remain an inexcuseable offense. - Nepharski5:43 PM, 28 May 2006

Of course they are. From Sonic Rush and Shadow the Hedgehog to future games. The kick out was bad but you can't get Deem back. The dude is dead. Anyways Jason kinda did a good job in this one. Hoping he did as good in the new Sonic 2k6 game for the 360 and PS3. Eggman (Robotnik) has a good voice actor but to me it sounds a little too high pitch, like he's not that serious and he's just some silly old guy. But he's still good. Deem id best (in my opinion) in Sonic Adventure 2. Shadow, Knuckles, Amy, and Rouge were best there too. But why does everyone hate the new english voices. They aren't bad. I just think everyone's getting a grudge or something. Axidous 21, July 2006

[edit] What happened to the Wi Fi speculation?

It's a theory, at least. And I've seen the theory on forums, so there has to be a consensus of some kind. 03:13, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Speculation

I dont see any basis for super sonic, while the wifi and babylon rouges have more basis for them

And what basis is that? Unless someone can provide a link to a reputable source, errant fanspeculation should be taken out. -- VederJuda 02:25, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not 4Kids again!

This sucks, is this a joke!?If it is...NOT...FUNNY...AT ALL!Yes I agree that Eggmans, Amys, Rouges (die hard fans glare at me angrily) and (funnily enough) Maria's, voice actors are good...BUT THEY LET A GIRL VOICE TAILS!!!!And, that Ryan Drummond business is the worst.

I think they've done a good job with the Sonix X voices. Besides, Tails sounded similiar in the Sonic Adventure games as well. I think people just like slamming 4Kids because it's the "cool" thing to do. ROBOTNIK. TJ Spyke 00:07, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

What the Hell? Tails kinda sounds better on Sonic X to me. Even though he's voiced by a girl he sounds more like a boy. Besides a lot of animes in america have boys with higher pitched voices voiced by a girl, like Chris and Charmy. Rouge sounds a little too deep. She doesn't sound or act as nice and caring. That's not hee fualt though, it was just not so much a good decision to voice that character. Same thing with amy. She gets mad too easy now to the point where it seems like she's just a 12 year old Bitch. But that one's actually the Japanese writters' fualt. Sonics ok but his tone is fake, like he's calm even when he's excited, but seems ok. Sounds really cool in Sonic Wild Fire. Also sounds good in first episode of Sonic X. Knuckles, over the years, seems to be turning into this niave, ruogh voiced, hot headed, muscle guy. He was ment to be Sonic,s match on the good guy side. He like similar, runs the same in new and old games, and sounds the same a bit. But now listen to him. Damn! Axidous 21, July 2006

Well I wouldn't know much about america.Since i'm not from there.

Here's common opinion: Eggman's not bad, Knuckles and Rouge sound 30, Tails being voiced by a girl is sacrilege, Vector's is unbelievably bad, and, of course, Jason Griffith can't hold a candle to Ryan Drummond. I heartily agree with all of them. Roxyr

As much as I agree with your opinion, Roxyr, I'd prefer if ALL fan opinions were left out of the articles. DeathGodDragon EDGE 23:00, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Two Years in development?

I've seen the article, and I think The Wiire screwed up its paraphrasing when it said the game was in development for two years. The article said "The development started this year", which I imply to mean early 2006, so the game has been in development for half a year. And "In terms of testing, we have been working on it since last year.", so sometime in 2005; to me, it sounds like they spent last year fooling around with the machine to figure out what they could do with it, without actually creating anything. From what I read in the article, the game has been in development for 7 months, tops. -- VederJuda 10:35, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Mistake or not, until it is revealed to be a mistake, it is official information. MindWraith 09:20, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sonic and the Secret Rings

Sega have announced the official name for this title to be Sonic and the Secret Rings. I guess the content on this page needs to be moved and left as a redirect.

Link: [1] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.195.4.173 (talk • contribs).

Hmm...the title has now been removed from that page. They say that the title was removed from the news article at the request of Sega, and to expect an official announcement shortly. --Lumina83 03:34, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

It's back now. --Edgelord 19:10, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

IGN refers to this game as Sonic and the Secret Rings. [2] 12:23, August 19, 2006

[edit] Takashi Iizuka?

When did he become the designer for this game? As a matter of fact is he even involved with this game? I thought it was someone else, I think Yojiro Ogawa or something. (YAADS 14:40, 19 August 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Sonic and the Secret of the Rings

Should the pages title be changed again? This is the current official working title. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SuperBuuBuu (talk • contribs) 20:43, 23 August 2006 (UTC).

Yes, it should. Sonic3KMaster(鉄也)^(talk) 07:26, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to do that, I'm new to Wikipedia

[edit] Final Title

The final title is Sonic and the Secret Rings Grandmastergalvatron 14:28, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure why somebody did a copy and paste job(the CORRECT thing to do is to use the move button at the top) since the title was NEVER "Sonic and the Secret of the Rings". I've fixed it by merging the pages back into the correct name. TJ Spyke 19:38, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Uh...actually, at the end of the German Games Convention Trailer, it did say "Sonic and the Secret of the Rings (Working Title)," so that is the current title, or at least was at the time. 66.82.9.55 17:45, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I guess Sega changed it but didn't like how it sounded so they decided to change it back. TJ Spyke 21:00, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Eh, not likely. It was referred to consistently as SatSR before/after the Leipzig convention, with one sole SatSotR in the demo there. Someone goofed, nothing more. Rolken 10:10, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] It's Eggman

Please, it's Eggman. Plain and simple. The fact that the official E3 trailer for Sonic the Hedgehog (next-gen) has the words "Dr. Eggman's plans" written clearly in (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X91mKBO0s9c) also proves the fact that his official name IS Dr. Eggman. I don't think a trailer would use a "nickname" when it's narrating, unless the narrator is Sonic or something.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.227.13.149 (talk • contribs).

People call him Eggman a lot now, but his official English name is Dr. Robotnik. Also, please sign your comments (and consider registering). TJ Spyke 02:14, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Do you think I'm REALLY going to listen to you when I provided CONCRETE and RECENT evidence, and you didn't?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.227.13.149 (talk • contribs).

First, your opinion would carry more weight if you were registered or at least signed your posts. Second, I pointed out how Sega's official Sonic website calls him Robotnik. Check the profile section at www.sega.com/sonic TJ Spyke 02:21, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

First of all, my "opinion" isn't an opinion, and me being signed in has absolutely NOTHING do to with this at all, so I don't even know why you're bringing this up. And I repeat: I provided CONCRETE and RECENT evidence, whereas you didn't. Did you know that the American site still has Sonic next-gen's rating labled as "RP", when it's been revealed to be E10+ a couple of weeks ago?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 007kz (talk • contribs).

It is your opinion. They CALL him Eggman, but his name is officiall Robotnik, have you never heard of a NICKNAME? TJ Spyke 02:33, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Um...did you even READ my last comment at all?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 007kz (talk • contribs).

Yes, did you read my comment? His name is Robotnik, they just call him Eggman since that is his nickname. Also, sign your comments, it's not that hard. TJ Spyke 02:35, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Please...PLEASE at least provide evidence that his nickname is Eggman. I've already provided evidence for why his REAL name is Eggman, now please provide evidence that his nickname is Eggman. Otherwise, your words mean nothing. Oh, and if you want, please feel free to go change every "Eggman" in Sonic the Hedgehog (next-gen) article to "Robotink". I swear that it will be changed back to "Eggman", and I won't be the one doing it (I swear to God, Buddah, and basically everyone holy that I won't change it if you change all the "Eggman"s to "robotnik").—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 007kz (talk • contribs).

Did you even check Sega's website? I feel like I am arguing with a brick wall here. TJ Spyke 03:02, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Likewise. And did you check the trailer? In case you don't know, Sega's American website isn't updated often. In fact, they often forget to update stuff. But what do you have to say against the trailer? Are you saying that the narrator is also calling Eggman by his "nickname"? Doubt it. Oh, and the American SEGA website that you were so eager to point out ALSO calls Eggman "Eggman" in the Sonic the Hedgehog game section: http://www.sega.com/games/game_temp.php?game=sonicnext&lid=gp_sonicnext&lpos=hp_gamelist—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 007kz (talk • contribs).

Eggman is what they generally call him now, that doesn't mean it's his name. It's like how Nintendo doesn't call Bowser "Bowser Koopa" even though that is his name. TJ Spyke 03:09, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

...are you sure you know what a "proof" is? I've already given you a bunch of proofs, and all you give me is one little proof on a site that still thinks that the last Sonic game made was Sonic Heroes, denies the existence of the Babylon Rouges, and thinks that Sonic the Hedgehog has a 4 player mutiplayer.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 007kz (talk • contribs).

Eggman is his official name, Robtonick is just his legal name. Like how Tails is his official name while Miles Prower is his legal name. MindWraith 04:22, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

You have it backwards, Robotnik is his name and Eggman just his nickname. TJ Spyke 04:42, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

First of all I want to apologise for editing his name without leaving a comment on this page and an edit summery of “He is the Eggman”. I didn’t realise this was such a big issue to some people and therefore realise how that could have caused tension to flair.

First I will attempted to solve his legal name Vs nickname problem you seem to be having. After having read the Dr. Eggman article (as well as several other, sonic related articles) I can say his legal name is Robotnik as shown by his grandfather’s name being Gerald Robotnik and his cousin’s name being Maria Robotnik. Also, in Sonic Adventure, he reefers to himself as Robotnik but everyone else calls him Eggman.

Therefore, although his LEGAL name is Robotnik, Eggman is his nickname or title and therefore acceptable name to use. Both describe the Doctor’s name.

Now to lay down why I support Eggman.

In Sonic Adventure 2 the Doctor says the following during a cutscene…

“Bwahahahaha!! Citizens of Earth, lend me your ears! Listen very closely... My name is Doctor Eggman, the world's greatest scientist. And soon to be the world's greatest ruler! Now, this is the beginning of the greatest empire of all time! Hahaha”

His theme from SA2:B (which is sung in the first person) is also called E.G.G.M.A.N and contains the lyrics “I am the Eggman, that’s what I am” this theme was also used in a cutscene in Shadow the Hedgehog in which the Doctor also says…

“Those idiots! They're destroying everything! How can I take over the city and build the Eggman Empire, if there IS no city?! I'm at my limit! I have no choice! Send in the Eggman Fleet. CHARGE!”

Also three themes from Sonic Heroes reefer to him as Eggman.. Team sonic’s (we’ll save the world and teach that Eggman a lesson), Team Dark’s (Don't know how long we've waited, As the Eggman watches.) and Team Chaotix’s (A challenge has been issued by the Eggman. This mission’s gonna need them all.)

This could go on into an account of every instance of the Doctor being called Eggman to ever feature in a Sonic game, but instead I will just say this. I have provided ample evidence to say that his name IS now predominately Eggman, and therefore the one we should use. Therefore, I will ask someone to provide evidence that we should use Robotnik. --El cid the hero 12:00, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

PS: stop reverting the page. i think several people have violated the 3 revert rule --El cid the hero 12:10, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Just because they only call him Eggman does not mean that his name has changed to Eggman. TJ Spyke 20:11, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Look, wikipedia's goal is to INFORM people about things, and in this case, about Sonic and the Secret Rings. I'm fairly positive that in Rings, only the name Eggman will be used (since it's been like that in ALL recent Sonic games in English), so what'll people who know nothing about Sonic say when they see this article? "OMG WHOS ROBOTNIK I THOUGHT IT WAS EGGMAN!!!" Do you see people calling Diddy by his "real" name? Do you see people calling Nicolas Cage by his "real" last name, whic ISN'T "Cage"? No? Well, they should...right? Wrong. When a name is know by the general audience as something, like Eggman, it SHOULD become the more common, if not official, name. Just because a name is "official", doesn't mean that it should be used in every single thing that's written down and/or said. Otherwise, we'd be calling Diddy and 50 Cent by...whatever their real names are.

I'm going to have to agree that his name should be Eggman on this page. He has been referred to as "Dr. Eggman" since Sonic Adventure 1, the character himself has exclusively called himself by that name since Sonic Adventure 2, and the official Sonic website does not have him listed as Dr. Robotnick, but as Dr. Eggman. On the matter of what he should be called, I'm going to put my faith in the official name that is in current use by Sega. –Prototime (talk • contribs) 03:18, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, if you go to the official Sonic website (sega.com/sonic) and go to the character profile section you will see that they call him Dr. Robotnik. TJ Spyke 04:02, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Where are you seeing this "character profile" section? On every game description listed on the website--stretching back even to the original "Sonic the Hedgehog" title released in 1991--the website refers to him as Dr. Eggman. –Prototime (talk • contribs) 18:02, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Go to http://www.sega.com/sonic/content.php, click on "World of Sonic", then click on "All about Sonic", then "Sonic characters". They call him "Dr. Robotnik aka Eggman". TJ Spyke 19:27, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Even in that profile description, he is only called "Eggman". In fact, the only time that he is called Dr. Robotnick on the official site is in the title of this profile, and even there he is also reffered to as Eggman. Given the wealth of official information that supports his name being Dr. Eggman, and one measley reference on the website that mentions Robotnick (and even in that reference, Eggman is still pointed to being his name), and the fact there is no Dr. Robotnick page on Wikipedia while there is a Dr. Eggman page, and the character is universally reffered to as "Dr. Eggman" across Wikipedia, I think it's more than safe to say that he should just be called "Dr. Eggman" on this page. Anything else would be unhelpful and borderline misrepresentative. But if you really disagree still, I'd suggest taking your argument to the discussion page on Dr. Eggman; it'd be more appopriate to discuss it there, where if changed it could effect every single page talking about Dr. Eggman, rather than just here (which is the way it should be for consistency across Wikipedia pages). –Prototime (talk • contribs) 23:24, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

So...now that we've confirmed that most evidences points to "DR. Eggman", and only one reference points to "Dr. Robotnik", can we change the name? 007kz 02:05, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

It's fine the way it is unless something from the game(i.e. an instruction booklet) says something else because the characters name is technically Robotnik. TJ Spyke 02:11, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

No, his last is Robotnik. His official name is Eggman. We've already confirmed that with a crapload of evidences.007kz 06:22, 3 October 2006 (UTC) Ok, you know what? I actually sent an e-mail to SEGA and asked them this Eggman/Robotnik. I doubt they'll respond soon...but when they do, I'll tell you. And belive me, I will NOT make a fake response because that would be plain immature, stupid, and childish.

The name "Dr. Robotnik" was used as recently as Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic Riders. Robotnik is still canonical. I do believe Sonic Adventure and Sonic Adventure 2 established that his real name is Dr. Robotnik (hence his grandfather, even in the Japanese version, is Gerald Robotnik), with Eggman/Dr. Eggman as his common name. They're interchangeable, but Eggman has gotten more widespread use since Sonic Adventure due to Sonic constantly calling him as such. --Guess Who 19:08, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

He is never called "Robotnik" in the games after Sonic Adventure 1, despite his grandfather having the last name. He never even calls himself Robotnik after that game. Only Dr. Eggman. –Prototime (talk • contribs) 16:13, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the SA reference.

TJ spike is right. He is only called Eggman here due to the fact that it was all done in Japan, in which where they have always call him by that name. Just leave it alone. Starmenclock 21:47, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Why not change Dr. Eggman's article's name to "Dr. Robotnik" then? Go right on ahead. Change it. I won't touch it. 007kz 23:14, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. This is not the place for this debate. This page will reflect whatever the character is called elsewhere on Wikipedia. If you want it changed so bad, then get a consensus to change the Doctor Eggman page. Sheesh. –Prototime (talk • contribs) 16:11, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, on his page the consensus is that is name is Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik. TJ Spyke 21:07, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Nice effort, TJ Spyke, but unfortunately, it's now time to permanantly prove that you're wrong: http://www.sega.com/gamesite/sonicnext/sonicnext_full/index.php007kz 04:23, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Nice effort, but you have NOT proven me wrong. I know they call him Dr. Eggman because thats his NICKNAME. Your link does not say that is his real name. You have yet to provide any evidence that says his Eggman is his normal nickname and not his nickname. TJ Spyke 04:40, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm guessing you missed the part on that site that called Tails, Miles 'Tails' Prower. Please, just let it go. Be a man and admit that you were wrong, and everything will be fine.007kz 04:48, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

The problem is that i'm not wrong. His real name is ROBOTNIK, and I have never seen Sega say that Eggman was anything other than his nickname. Am I supposed to believe that Calvin Broadus's real name is Snoop Dogg because that is the only name he uses? No, what about CM Punk? Just because someone might only use one name doesn't make that their real name. TJ Spyke 04:52, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Then tell me, why didn't they list him as Doctor Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik then, since they went through all the trouble with Miles "Tails" Prower? Please, just stop it. If it makes you happy, I'll admit that his real last name is Robotnik. However, his REAL, OFFICIAL CANON NAME is Eggman, as the MOST RECENT SONIC SITE PLANILY STATED. As always, I've given you the most up-to-date proof, yet you give me nothing. 007kz 04:59, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

In Japan his name was listed as Doctor Eggman in the Sonic 1 manual. In America, (who's version of Sonic came out first by some months), his name was listed as Doctor Ivo Robotnik. When Sonic Adventure hit, characters had dialog, and the Japanese language was a selectable audio track, so they attempted to resolve the "Doctor Eggman" vs "Doctor Robotnik" by retconning his name to "Doctor Eggman Robotnik", Not that in Sonic Adventure and Sonic Adventure 2, Eggman is not a nickname, but rather his official first name. Appearantly, more recently, Sega realized that the American manual for the first game listed a first name, so they are re-|retcon|ing his English language name name to Doctor Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik. Because there have been so many changes to his name, the only name he can be called which remains consistant across all the English language games is "Doctor Robotnik". Similarly, ドクタ・エグマン (Doctor Eggman) is the only name which remains consistant across the Japanese-language game series. How can we decide which name to use, then? Simple. This is the English language version of Wikipedia, so his official English language name, "Doctor Robotnik" should be used. If this were the Japanese language version of Wikipedia, ドクタ・エグマン (Doctor Eggman) would be recommended. If this were the sometimes-English-sometimes-Japanese language version of Wikipedia; well, then the decision would be difficult. Upthorn 11:20 PM, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, unless he's (for some strange reason) called Robotnik in SSR, he AMERICAN name IS Eggman for this game, since the AMERICAN website for Sonic next-gen has no hint of the name "Robotnik" anywhere.007kz 01:11, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH. Shut up, all of you. The Wikipedia article on Dr. Eggman states that Robotnik is his real surname, with Eggman as his nickname. Robotnik is used in almost every game in at least one part. His relatives (Maria, Gerald) have Robotnik as a surname, even in Japan. In Sonic X, his card reads "ROBOTNIK (Dr. Eggman)." In Sonic Riders, the boards were built by Robotnik Corp. (albeit slightly misspelled). In Sonic Adventure, it addresses the issue with him introducing himself as Robotnik but everyone (aka Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, et al) calls him Eggman. The name sticks, so that's what he ends up going by. Now quit your arguing. The character's background doesn't change from game to game, except for the (IMO) poorly-executed retcon of Shadow's history in his game. --Guess Who 03:01, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandal Alert...

Well, the page just had a vandalism attack, even though it was kinda minor, but still. The test "Sonic Porn Now" was in all caps and was repeated several times throughout the page. If I knew how to revert pages back to their initial state, I would have done that but all I could have done was eliminate all of the vandalism. I think, for the moment, it may be a bit of a precaution but, we should disable editing of this page from new/unregistered users. Knuckles sonic8 02:07, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I may be going a bit too far. Unless I'm mistaken, "Terma-hog" seemed to be the last to edit this page on my watchlist so obviously this person is a registered user. Anyway, I was just letting everyone know. Knuckles sonic8 02:08, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Read this Help:Reverting for info on how to revert vandalism. TJ Spyke 02:37, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, TJ Spyke. I've been looking for that. Knuckles sonic8 17:29, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reversion

Why was this reverted? [3] (Stefan2 08:34, 8 October 2006 (UTC))

To make it clear that that is the Japanese title, not everyone would know that is Japanese. TJ Spyke 21:05, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Template:Nihongo seems to be the standard way of showing Japanese names. This is also used for many other games, such as The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past. In this case the Japanese title also has a completely different meaning compared to the English title.

When using this template, there's also a superscript question mark with a hyperlink to Help:Japanese after the transcription. If you don't think that the question mark is clear enough regarding the language, maybe it is better to bring this up at Template talk:Nihongo since the same problem probably happens elsewhere too. (Stefan2 14:39, 9 October 2006 (UTC))

There's also Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles)#Japanese terms that deals with this. (Stefan2 14:59, 9 October 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Similarities

Don't you think this game is a heckuva lot like SegaSonic the Hedgehog? --Blah2 11:13, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

No.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Roxyr (talk • contribs).

1.No

2.You can say "helluva", we're not on Gamespot or something.Which is how I got banned from the forums.Centurion Ry 11:27, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, this game does seem like SegaSonic the Hedgehog. But the game also seems (a little) like Sonic the Hedgehog (2006 game),but that's probably cuz both games have "Custom Actions" in them. BlackEDGE MkII 01:58, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

What the hell are you on about?!? Does this have A squirrel and an Armadillo in?!? Or is it an arcade game?!? Roxyr 20:40, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Whoa. Calm down. :P Knuckles sonic8 20:46, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I AM CALM!!Roxyr 07:15, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

No, you're not. Blah2 pointed out his own opinion, you shot him down, then I (under the guise of BlackEDGE) backed him up. And now, you're pissin' over trivial C-R-A-P! Calm down. I don't want to see this discussion go the way of the Talk:Shadow the Hedgehog page. Oh, and by the way, Blah2 is (partially)right. Both SegaSonic and Secret Rings are linear, in a sense. (SegaSonic is isometric while Secret Rings is on rails.) Aguni Dragon-OX 03:52, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Dude I was joking. You know, joking. That thing what you do for a joke. joking. Yeah. It. Was. A. Joke. K? Roxyr 17:57, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah...ahem...sorry bout that. DeathGodDragon EDGE 03:29, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Screenshot Discussion

I'm curious over a few screenshots I've seen lately. Here's one where there's a red ring. Ideas of what that is? [4].

Another one is of a screenshot of the jungle level but with a catapult and an egg [5][6]. As I put down on the page, I'm assuming each stage will feature multiple acts since this does not seem to be the exact same stage as was mentioned earlier. "Dinosaur Island" seems to be less bright in appearance.

Could this be the first boss for the game; for Sand Oasis? [7][8]. On that note, the dinosaur you see here [9][10], I think it's safe to say this is the boss for Dinosaur Jungle.

Two more things I never saw before: [11][12]. Any thoughts on any of these? If any finds any other screenshots that deserve mention, you can discuss them here as well. Knuckles sonic8 01:59, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I'm back with some new news. Apparently, that whole treasure chest thing actually allows you to use its wings to hover to higher platforms once you come across it and, I am right when I say that there ARE multiple acts involved in the game, as both notices are revealed by this source: [13]. Whether there are 2 Stage Acts and a Boss Act, 1 Stage Act and one Boss Act is currently unknown, although, judging from this video, I think it may be 1 Stage Act and one Boss Act but it's not confirmed. But, I think it's safe to say that that purple dinosaur is, indeed, the boss for the "Dinosaur Island" stage, as I'm sure that crab I mentioned earlier is. Good news! :D Knuckles sonic8 20:53, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Whoops. It's actually a "pot". :P [14] Pause the video as soon as it starts and you'll see it. It actually says how to use it too: "shake the controller". Knuckles sonic8 20:59, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Levels

Ridiculously high number of external links just to screenshots in the levels section; one or two per level might be acceptable. I've added a cleanup tag. SynergyBlades 23:02, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, that was me. :P Will edit. Have cleaned it up more anyways. Will let you know when I'm done. Knuckles sonic8 00:01, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Done pretty much I guess. But there's still a bit of odd-ends that could be fixed, but I'm not expecting it to be perfect so it suffices for me for now. Sorry I went all awol (sp?) like that. I guess it was slow to prove to this user that kept placing "verify the credability of this source" on the sources so hopefully that proved that a bunch of sources have confirmed what I was trying to source about the stages. Anyway, this another one of my edits that have earned a place in my Wikipedia Photo Album (pssh!) :P Knuckles sonic8 00:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay; there's still a fair number. I do have to ask though - do we really need a blow-by-blow account of how the levels will be played? This is an encyclopedia, let's not forget - not a gaming/previews website. SynergyBlades 15:06, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I feel it's pretty important but it is debatable. Knuckles sonic8 22:12, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stop putting garbage down

Whoever put down a paragraph under others that involved the opinions of the person shouldn't do that. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not an opinion box. If you want one of those, go to a chat room.

Yes, please. And the vandal that kept well.. doing what he does best, hopefully, won't try a stunt like that again (not referring to same person; different IP). I'm still laughing when people do this. Knuckles sonic8 21:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inaccurate Sonic the Hedgehog 2006 reference

We know that SEGA's intention is having the users calling simply Sonic the Hedgehog to their new Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 game, due to all the "series reinvention" and "series restarting" thing they are proud of and defend. But I really think there should be a minimal distinction when pointing out this game in another Sonic's games articles. We should not simply trust on what the links point out, because not everyone is in the obligation on clicking it to check that out. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, being its premise to make things very clear to their users since the fist moment, and not just when they have made a mouse click on the link. Seriously, we are not going to harm or violate any game title copyright or license if we just put a 2006 specification into parenthesis after the Sonic the Hedgehog game's title (resulting in something like Sonic the Hedgehog (2006)), because that's the function of a parenthesis: an explanation to make things clear in order to avoid any tipe of confussion nor inaccuracy, placed apart from the real text (in this case, game's real title). Wesker85 04:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I've (almost) always used 2006 after the gme page but lately, people have been messing with it, simply putting it as Sonic the Hedgehog. People should not alter this, please. Like the above user mentioned, it's to make a distinction and it should not be changed just because it may not "look" like it doesn't fit or for whatever other reason. Knuckles sonic8 16:17, 3 December 2006 (UTC) Oh, and BTW, it's inaccurate. :D

This isn't done for other articles though. For example, when talking about a movie that has been remade (like King King) the date is only addded when talking about more than one version of it (to set them apart). Since this only mentions the 2006 version (and not the Master System or Genesis version), there is no need to add 2006 to it. TJ Spyke 23:09, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Let's not get into a debate over this as is the case with other Sonic-based topics on other pages. You can't really make an exception here just because the article does not refer to the Original STH. It needs to be consistent, as is the case on other pages. That's what it all boils down to. Knuckles sonic8 23:25, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wicked New Boxart!

See for yourselves, everyone. I'm thinking we should add it to the article: http://www.gamecrazy.com/games/game.aspx?ID=11324, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B000IONGVI/ref=dp_image_text_0/002-2797934-7851238?ie=UTF8&n=468642&s=videogames. Knuckles sonic8 00:39, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Is there proof that it is real? I remember that Zelda: TP had a lot of fake box art showing up (hell, IGN even had the fake box art days before the game came out). TJ Spyke 00:51, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I'll have to double check that. :P How reliable are you expecting my source(s) to be in the event that I come across one/a few? Knuckles sonic8 01:01, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't know really, I just think there should be some proof that it is real and not just one of these temporary boxes retailers sometimes list for games. TJ Spyke 01:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay. I'll get back to this. Knuckles sonic8 02:16, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Temporary art is generally already-released art slapped on a template with a logo thrown on top. This art has yet to be released on anything other than this box art. I think it is safe to assume it is real. --Guess Who 00:03, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, we know that it's defenitely REAL. We just don't know that if it's the final box art or not. Nevertheless, I think we should replace the old image with this one, since it IS the most recent one.63.227.1.55 01:41, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I think so too. Knuckles sonic8 02:05, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I'd put the picture on the page...but I don't know how....63.227.1.55 06:38, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Me neither. :P Can anyone help us? Knuckles sonic8 01:46, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

More sources have revealed it testifying to the fact that it may, indeed, be official: [15], [16] Knuckles sonic8 02:05, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I added it. TJ Spyke 02:37, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your help, although, nothing shows up for me... Knuckles sonic8 03:06, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

It's wierd: When you type in "Sonic wii" in the search box, the article with the newly-added image shows up. But if you type "Sonic and the Secret Rings", the same article shows up....with the OLD image.63.227.1.55 04:37, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Wow...that boxart is wicked! DeathGodDragon EDGE 17:13, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Told ya! And TJ, it's up now thanks again. It looks nice the way you put it in. Knuckles sonic8 20:10, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] One Question

Does Sonic's "wildifire" power come from that ring he's wearing on his finger? (I just noticed that too.) DeathGodDragon EDGE 23:06, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

No, the ring lets him travel into the book, i'm pretty sure the wildfire comes from his heart. MindWraith 02:49, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

That's right. Knuckles sonic8 21:21, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Wow; that tidbit was in the article and I didn't even see it! Man, I am dumb! DeathGodDragon EDGE 22:27, 15 December 2006 (UTC)