Talk:Songs from The Legend of Zelda series

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This article is part of WikiProject The Legend of Zelda series, an attempt to improve Wikipedia's articles related to The Legend of Zelda series. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.

I don't know if this is really encylopedic enough to deserve an article, but I spent a several hours making it anyway, in hopes that it will stop the definitely unencyclopedic and poorly written single song and song group articles from User:DiddyKong1234. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 21:46, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Why? 2 Template for Individual Songs 2.1 Song Title, or (Instrument) if untitled 3 Scales 4 Scarecrow's Song 5 BS Zelda 6 THE Frog's Song of Soul= 7 Zelda's Lullaby

[edit] Why?

Why did someone delete the notes? --212.247.27.196 20:14, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Sadly this article was picked apart by other editors as being "cruft". See the discussion at AfD. --Tryforceful 21:52, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

How can someone be so cruel?--212.247.27.196 21:45, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Someone moved the earlier, fuller version to Encyclopedia Gamia. - found here --OddityEG 22:56, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

I apologize for deleting the notes, but I've been participating a lot in the gamecruft discussions, and I can tell you that they haven't been going well for those in favor of maintaining some semblance of information on game mechanics - check out Proto's gamecruft page. If I hadn't taken out the notes, this article would no longer even exist. As it stands, it might be the first article Proto's nominated under the basis of "gamecruft" to survive an AFD in the past month. 129.61.46.16 15:07, 31 July 2006 (UTC)Josh

"If I hadn't taken out the notes, this article would no longer even exist." -- That provides me with a little consolation... but even still, I believe notes are worth arguing for, as they aren't game mechanics so much as they are musical representations. In any case, I worked a lot on researching it all! ^_^ I've looked at Proto's Gamecruft page and have found nothing that I can construe against having musically-related info on this page. It's not "Original Research", it's verifyable, and this Calton's Theory of Gamecruft (which seems a tad biased and exaggerated) doesn't apply, because I would wager that the majority of people visiting Wikipedia have musical interests to the degree that they would need to understand the note sequences I provided. It seems that Proto might be getting caught up in an AfD proposal rampage, although out of all fairness I am unfamiliar with his work, so I won't judge him. But it also seems that I'm not alone in thinking so.

--Tryforceful 06:17, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template for Individual Songs

[edit] Song Title, or (Instrument) if untitled

Song details go here, in paragraph form.

• Instrument: The instrument(s) that the song is played on.
• Sequence: The button/stick sequence used to play the notes of the song, when the instrument in question has been selected. Please use icons where applicable.
  Available icons:
• Time: 3/4, 4/4, or 6/4 (provide with The Wind Waker only, to date)
• Notes: Musical notes played by hand (if any), notes played thereafter by the game (if any).

See also: Song name from video game

[edit] Scales

It would be cool if you could see what scales that was used in the songs. - Zyqwux

I assume you mean the key signature, right? Because the standard notes of the ocarina (OoT & MM) are D, F, A, B, D↑, a lot of the songs that are played on the ocarina are in the same key, based on these notes. Some are in D minor, others maybe in F... For other songs, it may be harder to tell what key it should be written in as we're not seeing the music actually written anywhere; we're going by ear, so it could be up for debate. I agree it's interesting, but it might not be as crucial. If I have time, I guess I can add this in. --Tryforceful 07:54, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I meant key sgnature. So you can only play D, F, A, B and D↑?

Using the control stick and L and R buttons, you can make more notes. But those are the five notes that are made just by pressing a C button or A. --Tryforceful 21:48, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scarecrow's Song

Which notes can you use when you play Scarecrow's Song? - Zyqwux

The song must be 8 notes long, and must be a combination of the 5 usual buttons ( ) used to play notes. The combination also cannot contain any other song combinations from the game, even if Link hasn't learned them yet (i.e. Requiem of Spirit's 6-button combo can't be in your combo). However, the sound of what you're playing has far fewer rules. The game makes a recording of how you make it sound in terms of tempo and pitch. Using the control stick, L, and R, you can change the pitch of the note you're playing by half and whole steps. So if you make your Scarecrow's Song "" but you take 40 seconds to press all the buttons and you use the control stick, L, and R, it will record 40 seconds of your song, and not just "D" notes but something maybe like "C, E, D, D#, C#, D, C, D#". The button is what your song uses, but that doesn't mean you can only play "D" notes. I guess I'll note in the article that it records what you play, not what buttons you press. --Tryforceful 07:54, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

About the number of buttons thing; I used a variant of the Konami code which only used four buttons: --DavidHOzAu 05:07, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry if I was unclear... you don't have to use ALL five. But those are the only five you can use. Again, you can change the way it sounds by using the control stick and L and R, etc., but at most, those five buttons are the ones that trigger the song. -Tryforceful 13:47, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Ahh... my bad. Thanks for clearing that up. ;-) --DavidHOzAu 09:44, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] BS Zelda

In BS Zelda: Kodai no Sekiban the Flute teleports Link to selected locations such as dungeon entrances and a few others. When played in a dungeon, it returns him to the entrance.
*Buttons: <!-Fill this in if you know.->
<!-*Notes: Fill this in if you know.->

I comment this information because it's in another article, but much of the information I've seen from the author in that article and others is unreliable. If you can verify it, please cite and uncomment. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 21:45, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

I currently have excluded all BS Zelda information from the main article in my revisions. A debate could be set up about it in a Talk: forum, but until then and until accurate information can be guaranteed, I think it best that it remain out of the main article. --Tryforceful 12:45, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] THE Frog's Song of Soul=

According to the official text of the game, when you learn the song it spells "The" with a capital T, which includes it in the title. Thus, "The Frog's Song of Soul" is the official title, not just "Frog's Song of Soul." --Tryforceful 07:54, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Zelda's Lullaby

The twilight princess description states "As in all Zelda games, "Zelda's Lullaby" is also used to gain access to the Master Sword, as well as a dungeon towards the end of the game" However I don't believe Zelda's Lullaby made an appearance in any games prior to Ocarina of Time, and it was not used to gain access to the Master Sword in that (the song of time was). That particular line is confusing and should probably be clarified or removed completely.