Talk:Sodomy law
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I have always wondered, how exactly does one "enforce" this law, without putting a camera in every home...etc. Or is this just supposed to be for after the act has occured?
As I write this in July 2006, the U.S. State of Georgia Code is full of laws referring to the illegality of sodomy. Do a search here for sodomy. It's also illegal in Georgia to have sex of any kind without a marriage license. So apparently the laws are staying on the books to scare people. http://www.legis.state.ga.us/cgi-bin/gl_codes_detail.pl?code=1-1-1
Needs description of sodomy laws in the US military.
The King James Version omits the word only, which weakens the "contradicted by Ezekiel" argument:
- Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. -- KJV, Ezekiel 16
I think the paragraph should be re-ordered: give the "traditional" intepretation first, since it explains the connection between Sodom and sodomy. Next, explain the view that Ezekiel contradicts that interpretation. --Ed Poor
Should the section on sodomy laws in the seperate US states be removed, or at least given a new introduction, given LvT? --Dante Alighieri 10:55 10 Jul 2003 (UTC)
I've got a problem in translating this article into Chinese, i am not sure what does , like, "5 years/$2000" mean? does that mean "5 yrs in prison, and $2000 fine"? --Gboy 16:56, 31 Jul 2003 (UTC)
- I believe it means a maximum of 5 years in prison and $2000 fine. I'm not sure this pre-2003 information is of sufficient relevance to be worth translating, but that's your call to make. Now that I think about it, however, I'm worried that the list may be a copyright violation. It looks as if the original poster of the list copied it verbatim (or nearly verbatim) from a list that used to appear on the ACLU website. (I later added some updates to it.) The ACLU has a copyright notice on their website. Of course, the underlying information is public. -- Cjmnyc 21:59, 31 Jul 2003 (UTC)
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- thank you! well, yeah, the Supreme Court has made all the sodomy law invalidated in U.S., but i just translated this list into Chinese, which i don't want to be deleted! and BTW, r u sure that there is no copyright problem here? --Gboy 15:40, 1 Aug 2003 (UTC)
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- No, I'm not sure that there's no copyright problem. (Are there enough negatives in that sentence?) I think there might be a copyright problem, but I'm not sure. That's why I mentioned it. -- Cjmnyc 22:10, 1 Aug 2003 (UTC)
OK, I think my latest edits have fixed the possible copyright problem. -- Cjmnyc 05:36, 2 Aug 2003 (UTC)
I wouldn't put an NPOV warning on the whole thing, but implicitly describing homosexuality as a sexual pracitice (i.e., "homosexuality or other sexual practices") may be controversial -- particularly since that entry doesn't. --Calieber 16:31, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC)
I made the sections of various countries' laws into subsections; it reflects a higher standard of article quality and organization. Also, I decapitalised "Sodomy" in a few places. Makaristos 02:53, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Removal of Homosexual Politians (preserved here)
I removed the following paragraph (list?) of homosexual politians, as it is a little far reaching to be placed under this articles title, maybe a List of sodomists in the legal and political profession (Tongue in cheeck there).
- An increasing number of politicians have publically declared their homosexuality, bisexuality, or have participated in homosexual acts. Including, Former British Defence Secretary Michael Portillo during John Majors's term. An openly gay politician and gay rights activist, David Norris, sits in the Irish Senate, while the current and previous Presidents of Ireland, Mary McAleese and Mary Robinson were founders for the Irish Campaign for Homosexual Law Reform, which led to decriminalisation of homosexuality in the Republic of Ireland. In France, the mayor of Paris, Bertrand Delanoë, had already publicly come out as gay when he was elected. In the German capital Berlin, Klaus Wowereit, was elected mayor after outing himself as homosexual. Five Canadian MPs are openly gay (two New Democrats, a Bloquiste, and two Liberals including one cabinet member.) There have been various US politicians who have served as openly gay, including Congressman Barney Frank of Massachusetts.
Then, is there a reason why Singapore and Sweden are after United Kingdom and Unated States in what seems to be a list in otherwise alphabetical order? (Peter Sjöberg 22:47, 25 July 2006 (UTC))
[edit] UAE
Does the UAE still punish homosexuality by death? Or does it differ by the emirates? WhisperToMe 02:31, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] China
- Sodomy laws have been abolished since the early 1990s in the People's Republic of China. Yet there is no clear statute towards consenting parties above the age of 18. If someone under 18 is involved, the adult partner will be prosecuted. In a notable case in 2002, a man who had anal intercourse with a teenager was sentenced to three and a half years in prison.
I'm a bit confused what this means. Specifically, what does the no clear statute mean? If there are no sodomy laws, then I would assume there should be no clear statute.
Also, the issue of one partner below the age of consent. Are there any laws which differentiate based on sexual act? I.e. do the laws provide for harsher penalties if anal sex is involved? Is the age of consent different depending on sexual act? And finally, although this is much harder to establish, is there any clear evidence that it is treated worse by the police and/or the courts if anal sex is involved? If the answer to all 3 is no, then it's irrelevant.
Nil Einne 15:16, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] US sodomy laws / "primarily intended"
Regarding the insertion of the clause "laws primarily intended to outlaw homosexual acts" in the sentence "Sodomy laws in the United States were largely a matter of state rather than federal jurisdiction." : (1) The clause doesn't read well as inserted, which is why it caught my eye. (2) It's inaccurate & oversimplified here -- it is not true that the laws were "primarily intended to outlaw homosexual acts"; they were primarily intended to outlaw "sodomy" which was defined to include a lot of things, including homosexual acts, but different legislators had different "intents". The whole point about the US is that there is no one single intent; it was state-by-state, and this clause is a gross oversimplification. (3) The clause is redundant here, because the top of the article explains the nuances regarding sodomy laws, including related terms and how sodomy and related terms are used to mean different things at various times and places. Since the top captures the nuance better and at greater length, it's a mistake to include in the US section a redundant version of a shortened and deceptively simple clause. --LQ 18:38, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
