Talk:Smetana (dairy product)

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[edit] Old history of the article

Aout a year ago some wise guys decided to merge "smetana" into Sour cream. Obviously, they screwed something up, so that the old history landed here:

which I am placing it here, in compliance with GFDL rules. mikka (t) 05:08, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name of article

Is "smetana cream" a proper name for this article? Presumably it should be just "smetana", but that is already a disamb for the composer and other things. Perhaps this article should be moved to smetana (cream) — or, better, to smetana (food)?
Jorge Stolfi 01:11, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Smetana (cream) is all right. --Ghirla | talk 10:53, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

I propose to move it as per Ghirla. If no one objects, let's move. --Irpen 05:12, 28 January 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Smetana = cream

As far as I know, at least in Czech 'smetana' means just cream, 'sour cream' is called 'kysaná smetana' Plch 18:32, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

The situation is similar in Bulgarian. Сметана is just cream and заквасена сметана is sour cream. --Emil Petkov 10:44, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Smetana spelling and pronunciation

Though smetana is written "сметана" in both Russian and Ukrainian languages, the pronunciation of it differs slightly. In Ukrainian it is [smɛ`ta:na], while in Russian it is [smjɛ`ta:na].

Also, whilst both in Russian сметана and in Ukrainian сметана, second syllable is stressed, it may not be so in other languages. As far as I know, in Czech language, the first syllable is stressed as a rule. So the Czech name must be pronounced probably [`smɛtana]. Still, my native language is Ukrainian, not Czech :) so I welcome the Czech speakers to say their word here (Flying Fish 09:49, 16 May 2006 (UTC))

I confirm the Czech pronunciation. Although I do not know Russian very well I think that the Russian pronunciation is rather [smʲɛ`ta:na]. I.e. the "м" before "е" is palatalized [mʲ] (see russian phonology). The correct pronunciation is difficult for us (Czechs) because the closest approximation in our language is [mj] which is probably a very different sound for Russians. --pabouk 09:38, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Source to use

If someone has time, please use this page as source: http://www.dlc.fi/~marianna/gourmet/i_milk.htm

[edit] Main entry

Should not the composer be the main entry? I think the anglophone user entering this word is more likely to be looking for a composer, who is pretty famous, than for the sour-cream.I suggest:

  1. Move this article to Smetana (diary) Smetana (dairy product)
  2. Have Smetana as a redirect to Bedřich Smetana
  3. Add {{Redirect|Smetana}} to the top of the composer article that would make a following note:
"Smetana" redirects here. For other uses, see Smetana (disambiguation).

Objections? --Irpen 05:28, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree completely - except to substitute "dairy", or perhaps "dairy product", for "diary" :-) . I was very taken aback to be faced with an article about sour cream when wanting to check a musical fact. Vilĉjo 15:44, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Done. --Irpen 02:44, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
How about fixing double redirects and all? Now it is quite funny to trace from Smetana cream to Bedřich Smetana. `'mikkanarxi 03:12, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Done. Sorry, --Irpen 04:17, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
I disagree. How would you like to find a person named Bread instead of kind of food?--Nixer 09:21, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, if bread (the foodstuff) was a comparative rarity among users of the English-language Wikipedia, but there was a well-known individual by the name of Bread, then of course the person would take priority. It all comes down to how well-known the composer is versus the foodstuff (among users of this 'pedia): I have known of the composer for decades, but learnt of the dairy product just a matter of days ago. Perhaps that simply shows my ignorance ;) Vilĉjo 01:05, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Please let us remember that this is an english wikipedia and the users looking for Smetana will most likely be searching for the composer. It is a pain to have to go through 3 pages to reach the composer's page (especially for poor dialup users). Let us at least turn Smetana into a disambig page if not a redirect to the composer's page. Shushruth \talk page \ contribs 19:59, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
It is already done. Smetana redirects to a composer and tl:otheruses is on top of the article. --Irpen 20:23, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
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