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Contents 1 Transliteration 2 Hieroglyphs 3 Tutankhamun death mask 4 POV dispute: Heretic?

[edit] Transliteration

Good call on the name transliteration. I checked on Google, and found the following counts for various variants:

• Smenkare - 100
• Smenkhare - 1030
• Smenkhkare - 1390
• Shmenkare - 2 (1 from Wikipedia)
• Shmenkhare - 1 (Wikipedia only)
• Shmenkhkare - 0

Also, most of my Egyptian books now use the Smenkhkare version too. Noel 21:30, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Hieroglyphs

Any thoughts on the hieroglyphs? This page shows two name rings.

The second seems to be

, which reads like Semerkare-Djeserkheperu to me. Gareth Hughes 14:14, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I think that there is confusion about one sign only. The sign between < s > and <kA> should be <mnx> (Gardiner U22). It seems to be wrong both on the wikipedia info page (where it is written aA, giving Saakare-Djeserkheperu) and on the discussion page, where it is written <mr> and the cartouche reads "Semerkare", as Mr. Hughes correctly pointed out. So, the name Smenkhkare actually consists of signs s-mnx-kA-ra, and the whole cartouche therefore:

. 194.251.240.116 07:26, 13 April 2006 (UTC) Turo Vartiainen, University of Helsinki

[edit] Tutankhamun death mask

Is Tutankhamun's death mask probably the face of Smenkhare? The ref provided by User:Andropolis on Talk:Tutankhamun is "Treasures of Tutankhamun," The Metropolitan Museum of Art, 1976. ISBN: 0-87099-156-6. I'm happy to accept it as I've read before in some relevant book or other that this was "widely accepted among Egyptologists" since probably the 60s. It does of course contradict the Smenkhare=Nefertiti theory, but then it is a minority one AFAIK. Rd232 16:33, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Deleted the image. This is simply incorrect.[1] deeceevoice 09:03, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

From a deeceevoice edit summary: "This is incorrect. It is the inner-coffin image that is thought to be that of Smenkhare -- not Tut's death mask." - so do we have the inner-coffin image? At least as an external link? Rd232 09:56, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] POV dispute: Heretic?

Do we really need to call Akhenaten a heretic? What one may call a heretic, others might call a reformer. I think this gets to be a POV violation, even 3500 years later... Valley2city 19:29, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Its stretching POV abit (in my view), however I have removed the wording as it seems 'wrong' in this context. I think he was never referred to as a heretic, just the "Great Criminal" Markh 20:10, 25 October 2006 (UTC)