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[edit] World Cup groups

(Re: Style proposal in Chuq's sandbox)

I like the style for group A - it looks very good. SLUMGUM yap stalk 00:00, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

thanks for that - yeah, the group A one is the the way I want the others to look, eventually! -- Chuq 00:11, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Italy is crowned World champions

Sorry, but I don't think this are good English. ;o) SLUMGUM yap stalk 21:36, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Italy is a singular item. It is a single country, a single football team. See Portal:Association football... "Germany defeats Portugal", "Italy defeats France 5-3 on penalties and wins its fourth world cup title." Thanks, — FireFox 10:07, 12 July '06

Then it should be "Italy is crowned World champion" because Champions is plural. Think. SLUMGUM yap stalk 13:11, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
What exactly do you mean by "Think."? — FireFox 16:58, 12 July '06
to have or form ideas in the mind. SLUMGUM yap stalk 17:01, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Can you please stop being sarcastic and patronising, and you try and think yourself about staying civil when you post messages such as "Think". — FireFox 17:02, 12 July '06
Yes mum. SLUMGUM yap stalk 17:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I didn't intend to be sarcastic or patronising. I'm sorry if I've offended you. SLUMGUM yap stalk 17:10, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template long and short names

If we were making a squad box for a club with a long name, e.g. Clube de Regatas do Flamengo or Grêmio Foot-Ball Porto Alegrense we would surely prefer to use Flamengo or Gremio rather than their full name.

Template:National squad does this using (I'm pretty sure) {{{title|{{{country}}} squad}}}. Title is the displayed title, country is the default value. (The link goes to the article Country national football team)

Therefore I think it would be possible to add similar code to the FS2 template without ruining the ones already in place.

Let me know what you think. SLUMGUM yap stalk 21:12, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Good idea, I've gone ahead and changed the template so now you can enter "title=" to set an alternative title. I don't think it should break anything but let me know if it does. --Daduzi talk 22:24, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Just noticed that you've implemented it - I take that as an agreement! I've done a trial and it seems to work. Cheers ears. SLUMGUM yap stalk 22:25, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
;0) SLUMGUM yap stalk 22:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template Colour

Hullo. Is there way of stopping the new template format setting that rather nasty lime green as the default background colour? Cheers, HornetMike 23:42, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I hadn't noticed because it's something that only occurs when using Internet Explorer, which I hate and won't use. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, I'll try to fix it. SLUMGUM yap stalk 23:48, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I knew there was a reason I used IE! To find bugs on Wikipedia! Anyway, all is resolved now by the looks of it. Cheers, HornetMike 23:53, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Naughty green bugs! Thanks for alerting me. SLUMGUM yap stalk 23:58, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Football player infobox2

Just noticed the infobox you added to Jimmy Greaves, and I thought I'd point out that a different infobox exists for retired players Template:Football player infobox shows a list of the others too. It's simple to change the infobox following retirement by adding "2" to the end of the title line. SLUMGUM yap stalk 18:34, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay thanks for letting me know. I'll change the others I've added as well. SteveO 18:49, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ashley Cole

[edit] 2006 World Cup Squad templates

I noticed you removed {{England Squad 2006 World Cup}} from Cole's page three times. You may not have known that older World Cup templates were listed at WP:TfD on June 30 (by me) and no consensus to delete them was reached. This means that if an England 2002 World Cup Squad box existed, it would also appear on Cole's page. If you want to list the 2006 templates for deletion I will support you, but we should respect the consensus. Older WC templates can be seen here. Slumgum T. C. 16:35, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me, I didn't know. :) --Ealgian 19:43, 18 July 2006 (UTC)Ealgian

[edit] Previous World Cup Templates

I see you have questioned a few of these previous world cup templates which have been popping up. I have to agree that they are a little bulky (just look at the Paolo Maldini article.

Anyways, I think i've come up with some sort of solution which will suit all.

I've created a basic template above which features a hide button on the side. So, if your in an article, it only needs to be opened when the users wants it. My programming ins't the best. I can't add flags at the side or increase the size of the print. I also can't change the colour of "Hide" or keep the colour in the box white when I link the text to another article.

Do you want to have a go at improving it enough to be used in articles ?

If you want to contribute please post your replies at the discussion section at Template:World Cup Squads as there could be a number of people contributing to this.

Thanks

Niall123 18:37, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Italy Italy Squad - 1994 FIFA World Cup Italy
1 Pagliuca | 2 Apolloni | 3 Benarrivo | 4 Costacurta | 5 Maldini | 6 Baresi | 7 Minotti | 8 Mussi | 9 Tassotti | 10 Baggio | 11 Albertini | 12 Marchegiani | 13 D. Baggio | 14 Berti | 15 Conte | 16 Donadoni | 17 Evani | 18 Casiraghi | 19 Massaro | 20 Signori | 21 Zola | 22 Bucci | Coach Sacchi

[edit] squad templates

Hey, I think we should fix the club templates making them similar to the internationals team templates for the WC where we can attach a hide feature. I tried but I'm having some trouble. Squadoosh 09:27, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category:FA Premier League players

Hi Slumgum. Apologies for those mistakes, they were just down to carelessness. In my defence I have been putting hundreds of players into that category today so it hasn't come as much of a surprise that I put a few in there that have not appeared in the Premiership, please appreciate this. Thanks for correcting them for me. Bababoum 21:19, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

No worries. I'll keep an eye out for strays and misfits. ;o) Slumgum T. C. 21:58, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Football transfers

Wikipedia:WikiProject Football Transfers

Just to say to take a look at the above and add in the talk page what you want to say.

Niall123 14:54, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A-League Barnstar Proposal

A barnstar for WikiProject A-League has been proposed here by Daniel.Bryant. Feel free to add your opinions.

[edit] Ukraine national football team

Hi again!

Do you mind assisting me with what to do with regards to the Ukraine national football team page? I've already filed several warnings about the user, (see [1]), but I also think there needs to be a separate resolution for the football team page. The user does not appear to respond to reason, so I think we need some other solution to the page, since this will become a flat out edit war, especially if the admins don't respond appropriately. Do you mind helping me out with either a poll or some other sort of resolution for the page? Thanks =)) --Palffy 16:16, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Spunti and Kwame Nkrumah are surely the same person. I've never seen the word "Ukraina" used before they both started using it. Sockpuppets should be used for good causes, not to boost minority opinions. :o( Slumgum T. C. 19:53, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Personal attacks

Slumgum, I warn you, don't use parsonal attacks against me.--Kwame Nkrumah 19:57, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't dream of it. Slumgum T. C. 20:17, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Really? Hinting to sockpuppetry is not a personal attack? If you think I use two accounts, go and signal the matter, but for the time being, don't refer to me as to a sockpuppet.--Kwame Nkrumah 20:28, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
It's been confirmed. Slumgum T. C. 19:39, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] football infobox

Thanks for the big thumb. You seem to have got your head round my changes okay. I'm working on incorporating the manager info as well, which may confuse people. I'll try not to abandon the usage instructions this time :) Flowerparty☀ 01:46, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shrewsbury logo

Hi, last week I wrote an article about Shrewsbury Town on the danish wikipedia, for this article I putt in the Shrewsbury logo (Floreat Salopia) - I should never have done that.... because I got obviosly no permission for that. Is it possible for you to mail the danish wiki site, so there is permission to show the logo in the article ? The mail address is: wikipedia@wikipedia.dk, attension EPO with cC to john@syntagmaworld.dk.

John Larsen, founder of Shrewsbury Town FC, Scandinavian Branch (Denmark) --Syntagma 13:07, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't know the legal standing for the Danish Wikipedia, but all the permission needed to hold the STFC logo on the (US-based) English language Wikipedia servers is seen on the image's page: Image:STFC 21.GIF. It's fair use for en.wikipedia to use sports logos on their own article's page. As I'm not the owner of the logo I certainly don't have any powers to influence the Danish WP. Slumgum T. C. 18:09, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Football League Tables

Want to help me out with The Football League 2006-07? Kingjeff 01:08, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

No thanks. It requires a lot of work which will be redundant the following week. I prefer working on cups. Slumgum T. C. 14:53, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shrewsbury Town logo

I try once more.....

Is it possible for you to leave a mail to wikipedia@wikipedia.dk cC john@syntagmaworld.dk, in order to get permission to use the STFC logo on the danish wiki ?

Thanks for the help.

--Syntagma 12:24, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


What exactly am I going to say that Image:STFC 21.GIF doesn't already say? Slumgum T. C. 23:34, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: FA Cup 2006-07

Hey - just replied on the talk page regarding the size of the article. I know what you mean, but we could all work together on this to make it the most comprehensive results page... I have suggested a split when the First Round Proper begins, which may solve the size issues..? doktorb wordsdeeds 06:09, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Heh - cheers mate. The lie down has done me good. doktorb wordsdeeds 14:18, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peter Crouch

D'oh! I'm such a fucking idiot! Cheers! :-) Angmering 23:13, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

LOL! No worries. Slumgum T. C. 23:15, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] subst: nft and fc

From what I understand, it does reduce the server load. For some templates, it is not a big issue; but, those both use a lookup of sorts which adds to the complexity. Template talk:fc explicity says that it should be used that way (with subst:), and I have taken the liberty to do the same thing to the nft template.

As for the amount of typing, all I do is add subst: between {{ and nft. Wikipedia's substitute mechanism takes care of the rest (I would get really bored typing " national football team" over and over...) My fingers are generally lazy too; but the difference between {{nft|England}} and {{subst:nft|England}} is not so bad. See WP:SUBST for more info about substitution. Neier 02:58, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hey again

You mind leaving a response here? Cheers, --Palffy 14:55, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

There's nothing I'd like to say that hasn't already been said. I'll keep my eye on it though. sʟυмɢυм • т • c 22:08, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ryan Garry

Where did you read he was released by Arsenal? I checked Google News and came up with nothing, and he still appears in the squad list. There's even a recent fawning puff piece news article about his recovery from injury on the official Arsenal site. Qwghlm 21:52, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I was about to thank you for reverting it, as I'd just checked up on him on the official site, to see him wearing the new shirt[2]. I've spent some time over the summer cleaning up messy articles for released/transferred players, so I did the same for Garry after Tiago Heitor's edit. I looked at the Arsenal squad list (he wasn't there) and soccerbase (no current club info) before I was convinced that he had left. Obviously he hasn't. My mistake. sʟυмɢυм • т • c 22:06, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
No worries, we all make them from time to time - thanks for dropping me a line. Btw, I really like your userpage. :) Qwghlm 22:22, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Lagoa da Prata

Thanks for your comments on my talk page - it's fun to know people notice when new articles are created. Maybe this will inspire me to do so more often. I have one question for now though - do you think that the official Lagoa da Prata website is reliable enough to base an entire Wikipedia article on? The website is www.lagoadaprata.com. What do you think? Reliable?

Thanks again! -GilbertoSilvaFan 15:31, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Anas the Great"

You reverted his changes to the Jay Denny page, which I saw when looking through his contributions after catching him falsely adding players to two of our American teams, New England and Chicago. On his talk page, it seems he's been called out for making fictional changes to the roster of Shakhtar Donetsk of Ukraine. He's got a number of other contributions to the rosters of other clubs, but I don't have enough info to know whether they're made-up or not. Basically, we could be looking at a wiki-wide roster vandal here. Just a heads up. Bill Oaf 07:35, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Noted. sʟυмɢυм • т • c 16:28, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alf Ramsey

Hi Slumgum, perhaps you're the man who can help me here. Have you seen the article on Alf Ramsey, considering he led England to their sole world cup triumph I think his article needs a bit more work. Whats say we knock our heads together, see what we can come up with?--Edchilvers 14:37, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

  • Hi, me again. Thanks for your reply, I chose you because I saw you had a particular intrest in Football and I thought you might be able to help. I've found a nice pic of AR here, wonder if you could possibly upload it on to the page for me? Whenever I try to do a pic myself I get warnings from bots about copyright!http://www.theica.com/images/AlfRamsey2.jpg --Edchilvers 12:50, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Another Gilberto Question

Hi Slumgum. I have another Gilberto Silva question for you; except this time it isn't about stats. It's about the times in the article where I cite "fans" then go on to make a negative/positive statement about Gilberto, for example "some fans criticised him for being inconsistent", "This led some pundits and fans to conclude that Gilberto's absence was the reason for Arsenal's struggle" and "His lack of composure on the ball attracts a lot of criticism and frustration from fans" etc...

While these statements might appear to be POV, I've tried to write them in a NPOV light, also citing the flipside ('critics') of the argument. Plus, all the critic/fans statements I've used are true, none of it is made up (not that this matters without a reference). The problem is that there is no way to cite a group of football fans - and the Arsenal fans opinions are important to Gilberto's career and thus important to his wikipedia article. I only know opinions of gilberto through conversations/chants/jeers in the stadium... and you can't really cite that.

My question is: shall I strip out all reference to 'fans'/'critics', or just leave it uncited? Or - is there a way to cite large bodies of football fans? (ie blogs/forums etc?) Thanks for your help in this rather tricky topic. -GilbertoSilvaFan 13:46, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't know. This is a difficult one. I'll have a think about it and get back to you if I can think of something useful. This might be a topic best raised at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football since it affects many football biographies. sʟυмɢυм • т • c 14:49, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Cool, I've just raised the issue there too. (See here). Let me know if you have any thoughts about in the mean time. Thanks, -GilbertoSilvaFan 17:09, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi there - I recently nominated Gilberto Silva as a featured article at WP:FAC#Gilberto_Silva. I know you're an expert on football articles, so I'd really appreciate your vote on whether you think it meets the featured article criteria or not! Thanks for your time, and all the best. -GilbertoSilvaFan 12:38, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I looked closely at the Gilberto article, and tried to find faults (I knew you'd appreciate it). I just made a few minor changes to things I noticed needed tweaking.

It's very good of you to take the time to read through it! Thanks.

I think it's worthy of being a featured article already, but I did manage to think of a few things that you could add to the article:

  • Early career: ...the improved situation back at home - did his mother get better?
I'm not sure what "improved situation back home" means. I must have made it up. When writing it, I must have thought 'oh well if he started playing football, the condition at home must have improved'. I can get very speculative at times. I'll remove the sentence. Good spot.

*The way Who Moved My Cheese? affected his philosophy on how he plays football. I don't know if he still follows the philosophy, but it shows he is a thinker as much as a worker.

This is a very interesting point. I really wanted to include something about his like of 'who moved my cheese', but I really couldn't think of a place to put it. The question I still have though, is: does the message from the book really affect the way he plays football? The message I got from the book was "get up and make things happen - don't be afraid of change to make life better". Which part of his life or career would you say this philosophy applies to? Also, how would you recommend including it without making it POV/speculative? It's a very interesting point, I think I just need a bit of help with how to include it in the article properly. Good idea.

*Gilberto Silva on his shirt for Brazil but just Gilberto at Arsenal, due to the other Gilberto. I don't this is really important, but if you want to add it you could.

I agree, this is quite a 'complex' issue - especially since some players are/aren't allowed to have their nicknames on their shirts. I might add a new section called 'Shirt naming' and have a little time line with the names which Gilberto has had on his shirt over the years. (Do you think that's a good idea - or should I include the information in the biography? I'm not sure how biographical it is.) I think during the 2002 world cup it was 'Silva', which carried over to when he first joined Arsenal. After that, he asked for it to be changed to 'Gilberto', then for the 2006 world cup it was 'G. Silva'. I'll need to do a bit of work to check those facts first. One question - would you say that citations would be needed for a section like that? If so, what kind of citations would be sufficient? Links to photo galleries displaying the lettering on his shirt? Written references to his shirt? I'm not even sure if it would need any of that though, so let me know.

*Boot sponsorship deals. (Although you'd need citations to avoid it appearing like a product endorsement). I would consider this least important.

Again, a good idea. It will take a lot of time to come up with this information, but I'll give it a go. (I'm interviewing Gilberto on Monday so I might even ask him then - but shhh, don't tell anyone.) Would you suggest a new section for this, or putting the info in an existing section?

Otherwise I was very impressed. I like the depth in which you go into throughout his career. I've been impressed by your openness and attitude towards getting the article to its excellent state. Well done. sʟυмɢυм • т • c 13:49, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind words - and more so for your help! Sorry if I ask a few too many questions in reply, it's a condition I have. I think the medical term is 'rambling'. All the best. -GilbertoSilvaFan 14:43, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Professional Clubs in the English League System

I'm surprised to note that there are full time professional clubs in leagues lower than the Coca-Cola League 2. I'm not being funny, only interested as to which leagues below the Football League have full time professional clubs? Thanks, Dan (Danread)

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[edit] Template:St. Johnstone F.C. squad

Hmm. The example you offered is a little unbalanced (the positions followed by the names), in my opinion.

I don't mind others changing the template. If you look at its history, the only other person that has was an anonymous editor who added the manager, who isn't part of the squad (well, since it's Coyle in this case he actually is, but I hope you get my point). If the majority of the squad templates change to look like the one you offered, then I'd be more inclined to changed the Saints one. Until then, I prefer its current look. - Dudesleeper 21:17, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Your edit to Thierry Henry

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Damn robots! If you intend to take over the world some day you need to know the difference between right and wrong. Looks like the apes are catching you up. sʟυмɢυм • т • c 23:01, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

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Damn robots! If you intend to take over the world some day you need to know the difference between right and wrong. Looks like the apes are catching you up. sʟυмɢυм • т • c 20:54, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

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Damn robots! If you intend to take over the world some day you need to know the difference between right and wrong. Looks like the apes are catching you up. sʟυмɢυм • т • c 21:02, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Thanks for helping me out at the reference desk slumgum, you answered my question about the Manchester United shirt. That's an impressive record you have there by the way. | AndonicO 09:30, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Seaman

According to the most reliable breakdown of results at Gunnermania, Seaman's 563 matches included 11 European matches in the 1994-95 season. As Arsenal played 9 matches in the UEFA Cup Winners' Cup 1994-95 the other two must be the European Super Cup matches they played that season as well. So the 2 'spares' are definitely not those. My guess is Makita Trophy matches but that was more a friendly tournament, and appearances there are generally not counted. Qwghlm 09:12, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Football (squad) templates

I do find it mildly amusing that there are such rigid rules regarding their existence despite the fact that the squad part of the template's title is negated by the inclusion of the manager in it. But, as ever, I will roll with the establishment. - Dudesleeper 20:49, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] UFWC

As you have been a major contributor, I was wondering what you think of what I've been doing at List of winners of Unofficial Football World Championships. Kevin McE 13:05, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 0 template

Hi, though I'd let you know I think this 0 template thing looks like a good idea. Has it been put to practice on any player articles yet? -- Mattythewhite 20:41, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Footballer infobox

Thanks for correcting me on the protocol for modifying those stats. I'll change my procedure accordingly.

Vortigern 02:46, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dion Dublin obsession

Hey, no worries about the revert... I liked the comment too - perhaps you should include it on your User Page after all?! Budgiekiller 12:47, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you!

Hi Slumgum. I just wanted to pop by to say thank you very much for all your help with the Gilberto Silva article. It's now featured, and it's got a lot to do with you, and in particular your suggestions! I'll try and do a few of the sections you mentioned in your last 'suggestions' post, I think it would really add depth to the article. Anyway; I don't know how you manage to spend so much time looking over other peoples articles... but it's great that you do - you're a great example to new Wikipedians such as myself. Also, thanks for your help with statistics during the article's early days. I'm going to nominate the article for a front page slot, then add a spoken version of the article, then go on my merry way. Take care, and good luck in and out of Wikipedia. All the best, -GilbertoSilvaFan 12:48, 3 November 2006 (UTC) (PS. My Gilberto Silva interview will be on Invisiblewall.net late next week ;-)

[edit] Pointless edits

Wow, and you're the one saying I do pointless stuff? At least I don't stalk people on Wikipedia, criticising everything they do. -- Mattythewhite 10:24, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Vote for TP out of WC and club

  • Template:Turkey Squad Euro 2000,
  • Template:Romania Squad Euro 1996,
  • Template:Japan Squad 2004 Asian Cup,
  • Template:Japan Squad 2000 Asian Cup
  • Template:Japan Squad 1992 Asian Cup,
  • Template:Japan Squad 2001 Confederations Cup
  • Template:Japan Squad 2003 Confederations Cup
  • Template:Turkey Squad 2003 Confederations Cup
  • Template:Japan Squad 2005 Confederations Cup
  • Template:Japan Squad 1996 Summer Olympics
  • Template:Japan Squad 2000 Summer Olympics
  • Template:Japan Squad 2004 Summer Olympics
  • Template:Italy 2004 u21 squad
  • Template:Netherlands 2006 u21 squad

Please go to Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2006_November_17 and Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2006_November_21 to vote. Matthew_hk tc 14:59, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Irony

Oops, sorry. I'll leave that bit out in future. --SilvaStorm

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