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[edit] Regions

I don't think the Slovenian regions mentioned on this page are the official ones. I found two, not completely consistent lists:

Could someone who knows more (and who can read Slovenian) fix this? Are the regions named presently the historical regions? Markussep 09:24, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

There's a bit of a problem here.. On one hand, we have the proposed regionalization by the government (still in preparation, mind you), which will most likely have 12 regions (like the World Gazeeter suggests), and on the other hand there are the historical regions, which are around 8 or 9. Let me just point out that the regions suggested at www.slovenia-tourism.si are not the historical regions, they are merely regions based on tourist offer and only partially follow historical regions. For example Notranjska and Primorska are fused together, while Northern Primorska and Western Gorenjska become the Julian Alps, etc. Unfortunately there is no accurate division of historical regions. The current division in the article is based on historical regions and I think is quite accurate, except for maybe Bela krajina (separate from Dolenjska according to some), Zasavje (a bit of a disputed area, partially in Štajerska, partially in Dolenjska) and Prekmurje (the Mura River basin is called Pomurje). Edolen1 13:50, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Map of Slovenia

Primož the map of Slovenia is really very much primitive and I am afraid that such map won't tell to occasional reader a lot. There are "only" ten "main" cities on it, no rivers, no mountains, no lakes, no national parks and such. But I guess it would be just enough to put Slovenia on a World's map somewhere southern of, let us say, Austria. What about the famous Kozler's map of Slovene countries at the fall of 19th century. It would certalnly clearly show how nations are disappearing from a human history. And in the end its borders are just old republic's bolders from the former Yugoslavia and the history still has to do a lot of things to define (once and for all) its present, past or future borders. Cheers. -- XJam 2002.06.19 3 Wednesday (0)

[edit] Slovene National Motto

I think you are right about the motto Zocky. "Zive naj vsi narodi" means " God's blessing on all nations" and is the first line of the National Anthem not a motto. Sannse 14:36 Jan 22, 2003 (UTC)

Yes. See Zdravljica for translation and related links. But since we're speaking about Slovene national motto and as Zocky said that Slovenia does not have any -- we can invent it hereby. Recently I've seen for a good one from the video of a song Od ljudi za ljudi (From people for people) of Murat & Jose and goes like this: Solidarity is mega (--is cool). How does one motto come into one nation's reality in fact? I do not know. Someone said that Slovenes are like robots. It could be Adi Smolar's Arbeit Macht Frei-like words from his song: Je treba delat. (The Work is a Must). Any positive and truthful thought might work here, I guess. There might also be Prešeren's words from Zdravljica: žive naj vsi narodi all the same, since this great poem was in the same manner invented for the National anthem. I would like to hear some other proposals. And we have to have in mind that Slovenes are not like far Eastern thinkers, philosophers, yogies and swamies. Simple peasant logic is 'the coolest' for them, ha, ha. Interesting topic, anyway. See ya. --XJam 03:24 Jan 24, 2003 (UTC)


Žive naj vsi narodi actually I'd prefere if there was no God in transaltion - it'd be more accurate = Let all nations live

'cause it goes like this: Žive naj vsi narodi, ki hrepene dočakat dan da koder sonce hodi, prepir iz sveta bo pregnan...

so it would go literary like this: Let all the nations which are craving to live the day whereever sun is (walking) showing, all conflicts of the world shall be banished...

I'll take the God part in consider while there is no mentioning of HIM in whole song and contents.

thnx for reading this ADDon :-)

BYE and HAPPY New Year!

[edit] Proper English names for Slovene toponyms

The city of Štore now links to absurd Store. Probably it should be redirected as [[Store (city)]] or [[Store, Slovenia]]. Why John von Neumann wasn't Slovene or whoever invented the ASCII code? :-) Lep pozdrav. --XJamRastafire 16:03 May 7, 2003 (UTC)

Štore municipality is now on the Store, Slovenia. Please proof-read that article so that we can use it as a template for other statistical data for Slovenian municipalities. --Romanm 12:59, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)

[edit] November 1st

Shouldn't "Dan spomina na mrtve" be translated as "Remembrance Day", not "All Soul's Day", which (a) is something else and (b) takes place on November 2nd? --romanm 21:41 Nov 2, 2003 (CET)

I agree. November 1st is actually All Saint's day (not All Souls' Day) and what's more, it's not even called that officially. I also think that the list should distinguish state holidays from work-free days (christmas, easter, assumption), since they're not the same thing - national flag is flown on the 26th of December and, according to law, should NOT be flown on the 25th. Zocky 14:47, 3 Nov 2003 (UTC)

OK, I changed it. Any thoughts? Zocky 15:25, 3 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] European Union and Slovenia

While Slovenia and other countries are going to join the European Union on 1st May 2004, we are formally not there yet! So we should remove the page footer that lists candidates among EU members. --romanm 19:35, 3 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Yes, Roman you're absolutely correct - but fairly speaking this is just a matter of time. Accepting your proposal I've added EU enlargement instead of deleting the existing form, which is my invention. (Just think on that Montenegrin joke about a hydroelectric power station ... :>) We Europeans still need to learn a lot of European geography... I hope this is okay now. BR --XJamRastafire 13:30, 4 Nov 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Initial classification

It is somewhat amusing to see littoral being mentioned before pre-Alpine in the country's description... alphabetical sorting of adjectives, I guess? ;) --Shallot 12:53, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

[edit] La Francophonie

I removed the box and added a text about the membership. It seems rather remote and not of to much importance for the understanding of Slovenia, rather would I return the ex-YU box, but that's still in discussion so let's leave it this way for now. Jakob Stevo 17:18, 20 May 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Občine

I also removed the Občine to a seperate article, they are just in they way if you wan't to get the basic facts at a glance Jakob Stevo 17:27, 20 May 2004 (UTC)

[edit] SFRY

Avala, where did you reach the consensus about SFRY box? --XJamRastafire 16:48, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)


[edit] Head of state

This article has the following paragraph:

The Slovenian head of state is the president, who is elected by popular vote every 5 years. In his task as head of the executive branch, the president is aided by the prime minister and the council of ministers or cabinet, which are elected by parliament.

IMHO from above paragraph foreigners will gain wrong impression that it is the president who is ruling the country, while in fact Slovenia is parliamentary democracy and president has only representative role (unless there is a war, of course, in which case his/her role as the supreme commander of armed forces becomes important). Could this be rephrased? --romanm (talk) 11:36, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

No need to rephrase. Head of state is a neutral expression which includes presidents and monarchs, ie. people with representative roles. Head of government is the leader of the executive branch (prime minister and in some countries the president). You can often read about international meetings of heads of states and governments. Zocky 13:28, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Well, yes, there is a need to rephrase if the Slovenian head of state is not the head of government, as Romanm has implied. I'll go check Politics of Slovenia and update accordingly. --Joy [shallot] 14:11, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
The Constitution says e.g. that the President only promulgates laws. This is an executive branch of a parliamentary system, not a presidential system. --Joy [shallot]
Sorry, I didn't correctly read the above sentence. Your version is of course correct. Zocky 15:57, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Recognition date

Although some countries (e.g. Germany, Sweden, Iceland, if not mentioning Baltic states et al.) did it before, the then EU (12 members) in December 1991 agreed to recognise Slovenian (and Croatian) independence on January 15, 1992. They did so and many other world's countries followed on the same day or very soon after the date, with the USA and PR China being among the last ones (doing so in April). So, should January 15, 1992 be added to the Recognition under independence subsection. After all that date was (and still is) printed on the first Slovenian banknotes although they were issued about 8 months later or more.

[edit] Wikipedia meetup 2005 in Ljubljana?

I proposed that the Wikimedia meetup 2005 should be in Ljubljana. Check out if interested. Zocky 18:24, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] "The Erased"

Now that it's been mentioned in the article, I think we need to clear this up. Amnesty International states that 18,305 people were erased, so the 10% of the population (200,000 people!) is exaggerated. The UVI (Media and Public Relations Office of the Gov't) also states that around 18,000 people did not apply for citizenship and were therefore "erased". Although later on in the article it says that out of those 18,000, only around 4,000 still do not have did not regulate any status in Slovenia, others all either applied for citizenship later on or obtained a residence permit, either temporary or permanent. Anybody want to share their view? Edolen1 18:38, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New template

New template has been created (copied from Commons): {{template:Slovenian flag}}. It appears like this: Slovensko. It works also by using:

  • template:Slovene
  • template:Slovenian
  • template:Slovene flag.

Cheers! --Eleassar777 16:58, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Subdivisions

The article suggests, but does not state outright, that municipalities are currently the only administrative local government entities in the country. Is this true? Or is there something intermediate between the regions and the municipalities? john k 23:59, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This is true. --Eleassar777 my talk 11:54, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Indeed, currently the primary and only division are municipalities. Administrative regions are soon to be established, but regionalization won't take place for a few years.. edolen1 12:12, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Slovenia was part of: ...

I find this rather confusing. Slovenia was not the official name nor its short version of the territory more or less occupied by modern Republika Slovenija (RS) in all of the listed state entities (Kingdom of Yugoslavia, for instance, used the term of "Dravska banovina"). Plus, the list seems to start quite randomly and lacks certain entities. I guess a more detailed list, starting from the end of the WWI, would go sth like this:

- State of Slovenes, Croats, and Serbs (unrecognized) - Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes (since dec. 1918) - Kingdom of Yugoslavia (since jan. 1929) - Democratic Federal Yugoslavia (since WWII) - Federal People's Republic of Yugoslavia (since 1946) - SFRY (since 1963)

But, is this really relevant, anyway? Perhaps it shoul be stated under the paragraph "history"?

The paragraph history contains wrong info on SFRJ, check SFRJ. --Golioder 23:39, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Removed links

I removed the following links from this article:

If anyone has any objections, please let us know here, so that we can discuss this. --romanm (talk) 14:47, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

GeaBios is a relevant source for maps for Slovenia. The service is running 200GB of data in different web applications based on maps and vector data for the area and wider (Maps of different scales, orthophoto, digital terrain model). GPS navigation is included. About 500.000 addresses (complete address coding system - updated every year). About 120 pages in session Slovenia in Brief prepared for Find Your Research and Development Partner in Slovenia in the year 2002 (10.000 CD + Internet application) for Ministry of education, science and sport. See GeaBios for more details.--User:MaNeMeBasat
The day I tested GeaBios, I only saw a logo of Coca Cola when I clicked magnifier, so I assumed it was bogus. Today I see that there really is a content beside the subliminal commercial, and I no longer object including it. --romanm (talk) 12:32, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
I would leave the public libraries and all government links in. Zocky 16:04, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
All of the government links are available from www.gov.si that was left in the article. Information about public libraries can be obtained by using COBISS. I substituted the old link [1] with this one. Is there some specific information that is missing in COBISS and present in the old page? IMHO we should keep the external links section as short as possible. --romanm (talk) 12:32, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Portal" position

It should be higher, if not at the top, see Chess for example. --andrejj 07:22, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

It was at the bottom in the United Kingdom article, and it didn't look good at the top of the article. The current solution is completely fine by me though. edolen1 20:11, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removed image

I have removed the image Ljubljana_Franciscan_church.jpg from the section Economy; it is completely unrelated to this topic. --Eleassar my talk 20:57, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Added image

I've added an image of World Trade Center Ljubljana which is related to the economy of Slovenia.

Lord Rok 30 March 2006

What is the source of this image? --romanm (talk) 20:39, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

It's from the site of Slovenian Government. Lord Rok (talk) 15:46, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Please, put the source on the image page. Also, try not to use name like Image:020.jpg, maybe Ljubljana World Trade.jpg!?. --AndrejJ 14:22, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POLL: Introduction for Republic of Macedonia article

Hello! Given ongoing discussions and recent edit warring – and with the hope of resolving this issue – you might be interested in a poll currently underway to decide the rendition of the lead for the Republic of Macedonia article. Please weigh in! Bitola | talk | 01:04, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Slo regions marked3.png

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It would be great to have this image transformed into a set of links, like it has been done for Image:NetherlandsNavigationButton.gif in the {{NavigationNetherland}} (see below). Does anyone know how to do that? --Eleassar my talk 09:21, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Landscape types

Is this map correct? I always thought Bela krajina (White Carniola) is of the Panonian type. --Eleassar my talk 11:31, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

There are several versions of this division into 4 geographic regions, and as far as I know, there is not even a consensus within the scientific community about which one is the most "correct", so to say. Bela krajina is a "victim" of these versions. Some regard it as part of the Pannonian region, some regard it as part of the Dinaric region. Another area with a simiral problem is Celje and the surroundings (Žalec, etc.), which are sometimes considered Alpine (as on that map) and sometimes Pannonian. edolen1 14:16, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the map is correct. Bela krajina is one of the most typical Dinaric corrosion plain. But it is true there are strong Panonian climate influences. User:Draper

[edit] Demographics

The word for ethnicity used is 'Slovenians', both in the text and on the graph. But it should have been (I think) 'Slovenes'. Because 'Slovenian' is someone who comes from Slovenia and not the ethnicity. If you say on that list Slovenian, then we would also have to say 'Croatian', 'Serbian', 'Bosnian' ... (and not 'Croat', 'Serb', Bosniak')... Do you agree (that it should be changed to 'Slovenes')?

I disagree. In the case of Serbia, there's (usually) a distinction between "Serbs" and "Serbians", the former referring to people of Serb ethnicity and the latter describing citizens of Serbia. "Slovenes" and "Slovenians", on the other hand, are generally synonymous -- in other words, both words tend to have the same inherent meaning. There have been long discussions and revert wars in the past over which one is more common; "Slovenians" emerged as the preferred form, at least on Wikipedia. WorldWide Update 17:36, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Aren't Slovenians also a nationality from the former Yugoslavia?

Would someone who knows the subject give an explanation of this paragraph?

Slovenia's main ethnic group is Slovenians (83%). Nationalities from the former Yugoslavia (Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks & Muslims by nationality) form 6.3% and the Hungarian, Italian and Roma minorities 0.6% of the population.

I may be missing something, but Slovenians are also a nationality from the former Yugoslavia. In any case, the paragraph is somewhat ambiguous. I think the simplest solution is to add "Other" to the second phrase, thus "Other nationalities from the former Yugoslavia...". Though someone else might come up with a better idea. RedZebra 19:44, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


I think it's self evident that Slovenians are also ex-Yugoslav, as it is stated in the article itself. But that's IMHO, if anyone disagrees, it should be changed. (Wikingus 12:02, 25 August 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Administrative divisions?

I don't agree with the title "Administrative divisions" as other than municipalities all other divisions hold absolutely no administrative functions. I think something like "Geographical divisions" would be better, or if anyone has any other suggestions, they're welcome to post them. edolen1 11:40, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Biodiversity

I edited this section as well as I could after I saw the prompt to do so. If anyone wants it to be representative of Wikipedia in general, I don't feel that most of the material can actually remain because it doesn't seem like something an encyclopedia (or Wikipedia) would have. I'm not saying, "Axe it;" I just don't think it can get much better. I made those changes before logging in. Sorry. (~~Ejoty~~September 18, 2006)

[edit] Correct map

Well, which one map is correct? It is changed twice a week ;-) --AndrejJ 06:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adopting euro

For those of you who are interested in making changes on 1 January 2007, please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Numismatics. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 13:22, 14 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Geometric center of Slovenia=

As someone has set up the "discuss" link but not pursued it - merge, and perhaps a list of "geometric centres of states/continents of the world" (I read somewhere that Kyzyl is the geometric centre of Asia) Jackiespeel 16:10, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Opposed. The GEOSS is not just some point in Slovenia, but has a wider meaning in Slovenian society. It's a popular meeting point and daytrip destination that is well-known by most Slovenians, not to mention an important monument. edolen1 16:51, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
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