Talk:Slogans and terms derived from the September 11, 2001 attack
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"Let's Roll" wasn't Todd Beamer's last words, this is explained on the Let's Roll page, i've changed the line that said that, also i've made the word's "Let's roll" a link to the wiki
yeah, i was gonna say, i think its been around longer than that too
[edit] Ground Zero
The term "Ground Zero" originated long before the WTC attack. As such, the following text has been removed from the article:
"* Ground Zero – the area of the disaster recovery effort, covering Lower Manhattan around the site of the World Trade Center complex"
--Ckatzchatspy 09:32, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Yes, of course the term originated long ago. But I'd say that it now has a default meaning which is did not have previously. If one is in a conversation which is not about 9/11, and he mentions "Ground Zero", the other people would not respond by asking "Ummm, ground zero of which bomb?". Rather they'd understand that the speaker is now talking about 9/11. If other people agree with me, then this term should be reinstated into the article. --Keeves 13:14, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
- I'd have to disagree with you on that point. If you're a New York City resident, then the WTC attack would probably be your first association. Globally, however, it's a different story. In a similar vein, "9/11" has a specific meaning to Americans now - but not to the entire world. In Canada, for example, we can certainly make the association between "9/11" and the terrorist attacks when it's used in context. However, you're more likely to hear the events referred to on the news as "the World Trade Center attack" etc. In many parts of the world, "9/11" doesn't even mean "September 11th" - it means "November 9th". --Ckatzchatspy 16:22, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
- I can certainly see your point, but doesn't it mean that "jumper" and "the bathtub" need to be removed as well? --Keeves 17:24, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
- "The Bathtub", with both words capitalized, is pretty specific (as opposed to the generic term "bathtub"), and there is an article linked that explains the term. "Jumper", on the other hand, is most definitely not primarily associated with the WTC incident, as the linked article demonstrates. The word was in widespread use long before 11 September, including the idea of jumping from buildings. However, the term "WTC jumper" - already in the article - is new, so I've adjusted the sentence to reflect your point. --Ckatzchatspy 21:37, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
- I can certainly see your point, but doesn't it mean that "jumper" and "the bathtub" need to be removed as well? --Keeves 17:24, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
- I'd have to disagree with you on that point. If you're a New York City resident, then the WTC attack would probably be your first association. Globally, however, it's a different story. In a similar vein, "9/11" has a specific meaning to Americans now - but not to the entire world. In Canada, for example, we can certainly make the association between "9/11" and the terrorist attacks when it's used in context. However, you're more likely to hear the events referred to on the news as "the World Trade Center attack" etc. In many parts of the world, "9/11" doesn't even mean "September 11th" - it means "November 9th". --Ckatzchatspy 16:22, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, of course the term originated long ago. But I'd say that it now has a default meaning which is did not have previously. If one is in a conversation which is not about 9/11, and he mentions "Ground Zero", the other people would not respond by asking "Ummm, ground zero of which bomb?". Rather they'd understand that the speaker is now talking about 9/11. If other people agree with me, then this term should be reinstated into the article. --Keeves 13:14, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
