Talk:Sleeping car
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I don't believe the Wagons-Lits operated the Trans-Siberian railway, but they may have operated some famous trains on the line. Leaving it in the article for now, but someone should check. Ortolan88
Added information about Chinese sleepers, Baltimore and Ohio 'sleeperette' service, and economics of the sleeperSpinoza1111 13:18, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
http://www.wagons-lits-paris.com/an/default.htm
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I've been doing some work on the British railway system, mainly involving creating new articles on historic railway companies of the 1830s-1940s. In editing the article on Midland Railway I notice that Pullman redirects to sleeping car; most of the text in the article clearly refers to practice in the US, but the Pullman company also provided dining cars for the Midland Rly from the 1870s. Should the redirect be cancelled and the article hacked about (the sleeping car article doesn't really describe modern sleeping cars anyway!). Arwel 03:02 Feb 26, 2003 (UTC)
- As is fairly common in the wikipedia, Pullman redirects to sleeping car because there was no article about Pullman and I thought it ought to point to something since there were links to it. The sleeping car article does talk about both about Pullman and the Wagon-Lits company. Obviously, there is a lot to be said about Pullman, not only their international operations, but also the "model town" Pullman, Illinois and the Pullman Strike. There's also a lot about Pullman porters in the sleeping car article that could be in a separate article as well, and an article about George Pullman. I think this discussion about reorganization should probably move to Talk:Sleeping car. It would be good to have someone else involved. Ortolan88
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- I'll have a think about what should happen over the next few days, and maybe put a few thoughts in Talk:sleeping car. In any case the sleeping car article shouldn't just be about Pullman and Wagons-Lits. Arwel 20:41 Feb 27, 2003 (UTC)
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[edit] Transsiberian Railway, Pullman cars
CIWL was not THE operator of the Transsib, but operated sleeping-cars, dining-cars and during some time also luxury trains (before the october revolution).
Note that "Pullman car" has a different meaning in Great Britain and the European continent, standing for very comfortable daytime coaches with armchairs and tables that allow serving meals at the seat. Examples are the British Pullman cars now operated by VSOE, the CIWL pullman cars type Flèche d'Or (1st class), Étoile du Nord (2nd class) and Côte d'Azur (1st class, successor of Flèche d'Or), as well as the "Rheingold" 1928 to 1939 (Deutsche Reichsbahn-Gesellschaft and Mitropa).
(I believe the British Pullman company was not affiliated with the American one, but "secretly" controlled by the CIWL - I can't find sources about that, though ....)
84.115.129.76 14:12, 6 May 2005 (UTC) (author of German Liegewagen article)
[edit] removed bizarrerie.
I removed the following, as not only did it seem irrelevant, but also used highly NPOV vocabulary: Any number of travel books have been written by authors including Paul Theroux and Jenni Diski on the romance, for a solitary traveler, of traveling by train. But no paying business can pander to low-rent vagabonds, nicotine addicts and wandering scholars able to get great insight from a piece of dining car crockery, a Pullman blanket, or (in Diski's case, in her book Stranger on a Train), a stolen forbidden smoke on today's Amtrak and thus "all that rises must converge"...to the agreed upon minimum of a rapid trip on a narrow seat in a tin box. Dewrad 22:12, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
Spinoza1111 12:19, 30 September 2005 (UTC)Sorry. Correction accepted. I will attempt to control this excess creativity in the future. Some creativity makes an encyclopedia article more readable but reading over the stuff you removed, it was I admit over the top. - Edward G. Nilges
[edit] The Indian Sleeping Cars
In India, thousands of train travellers travel every day in sleeping cars offering "berths", which convert to seats in the daytime. Some of these sleeping cars, or "coaches" as they are called, are air-conditioned and are quite comfortable compared to the normal coaches. Some of these air-conditioned sleeping "coaches" even have private rooms, though such rooms are expensive and often cost more than air travel.
[edit] Removed pending citation
Although sleeping car services have been harmed by the various market distortions that governments are endlessly tempted to impose on the transportation industry, there is little doubt that, particularly if those market distortions can be lessened in the future, sleeping car services will be able to continue playing a valuable transportation role, and perhaps even become more appreciated by a wider segment of the traveling public than they are today.
- FrancisTyers 08:46, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
