Talk:Ska-P
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someone care to make an Operación Triunfo page? eh? Lockeownzj00 21:43, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)
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[edit] neutrality of the article
theres clearly examples of opinion in this article, so tell me what you think of the edits im going to make
p.s ive never heard of this band im just making the article itself less POV
This article has been demonstrating few neutrality on what regards the bands political views. Although the position is not clear the writer(s) appears to be against these leftist ideas, specially because the article sticks to the point of them and who are against them. Sumarizing, I don't believe the article is neutral. What do you guys think? --El Chemaniaco 20:57, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
"others do not appreciate all or any of the opinions that the band has in their music, and largest part just enjoys the diversive" I agree, too partial , at least we must eliminate this line. -Stontu
[edit] What the hell?
Why did you cut out the descriptions for each song? I wrote these and I am offended. I would NEVER do this for any other band except a political one. I wrote about the songs because they are relevant. PLEASE return them to their former state or I will. If neutrality is an issue, we can compromise. Lockeownzj00 21:56, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I think its just that theyre sorta redundant and they outweighed the article in length, especially considering their importance. For example, one theme like marijuana had descriptions of many songs about it--to give people an idea it only takes one. Also, i think it might make sense to talk about the songs one by one and link them. Please dont edit right away before we discuss? Urthogie
I'm not stupid enough to do things without discussion first.
Anyway.
What do you mean? Have a seperate page for each song? That's too much.
Like I said: the political nature of the band is what caused me to write the articles. I see waht you mean about how they only need one marijuana song to see their stance on marijuana, but each deals with it differently, and it also affects how the reader thinks about the band. If they see the 3rd marijuana description, they're going to think, "wow, this band is REALLY strong on marijuana!" I don't want to summarise what every song says because despite a similar message, I cant just summarise all the atheists songs with "fuck god" and I can't just summarise all the socialistic songs with "fuck capitalism." Lockeownzj00 01:27, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)
You're right to say that adding a page for each song is probably a bad idea. But if we are gonna give descriptions of the songs, we shouldn't give 3 on 1 theme like marijuana-why not just say, this song is about what they think about weed, and they also have many other songs on the subject. I'd say that the song descriptions should never cover a given theme once. Could you reply to this message with a list of the songs you want to cover and what themes they cover? Urthogie 12:50, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Hello,
I personally think the song descriptions were greats to give a good overview at was Ska-P is. As I don't understand spanish at all, it gave me a lot of knowledge about the band that I am now able to share.
Maybe we can make an article per album and include the song descriptions on each albums. Each album probably have a general theme which make it different of each album ?
Hashar 11:28, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
That is a good idea Hashar--we could keep the descriptions, only on the album pages instead of the main. "Notable songs," I suppose. I'm willing to do that. Although, every album has different songs on it, rarely with one common theme. Urthogie? What do you think? Lockeownzj00 13:29, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. Make sure the album pages are more than a list of songs and that'd be great. Also it'd be completely ok to highlight a few songs on the Ska-P page. Urthogie 22:39, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
These guys have actual names, you know.
[edit] Naval Xixón
Hi, plese could anybody tell me something about the riots or demonstrations which this song relates to? Thanks.
[edit] External links
Instead of the explanation of all these songs, why not adding a website, in the external links, where it traduce them? Those who don't understand spanish will be able to and will interpret by themself the lyrics...Or you can put some explanations, of the most representative songs in this page and also apply my idea... Do what you want to do, but if you don't add a website where it traduces lyrics, these wikipage will be really incomplete and not enough usefull for the strong majority who don't speak spanish.
- It's pretty hard to turn up even a well-done transcription of the Spanish, never mind a competent translation. Anyway, song lyrics translated from Spanish would either lose a lot of the message or just seem stupid because they'd have no meter or rhyme. —Casey J. Morris 22:25, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] translating lyrics
I would tend to disagree about the difficulties regarding translating Ska-P lyrics. Their lyrics are very clear and to-the-point, they don't precisely beat about the bush, do they? As for any puns or other plays on words, a simple explanation would suffice. I really like the idea of translating this stuff as a wiki thing - i.e., everyone adding his/her own shades of meaning to the ongoing translation. Moreover, I personally feel that we owe it to them to spread the word!
Can't make up my mind about the best place to do so, but there are loads of pages dedicated to individual songs - does anyone know what the official wiki procedure is? But I reckon a page for each album, with a tracklist and a brief synopsis of each, which over time could be extended to include the full translation of the lyrics.
Looking forward to feedback. ¡Seguimos en pie! 83.180.191.69 23:29, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] chatting on this talk page
While I agree with the broad wiki policy of not converting these pages into general chats, I think we can be bit more flexible when it comes to explaining finer points relating to article content. So, in answer to the question of what the Xixón song is about: Gijón, to give its Spanish name, is an important town on the north coast of Spain, and was, certainly in the 60s and 70s, one of the country's most important shipyards. Successive attempts to restructure the industry in the region have led to the local population, already hard hit by restructuring in the coal industry, taking to the streets in their (tens of?) thousands. With the corresponding reaction from the authorities. Which is what the song is all about. If you go to the corresponding wiki page Gijón you'll get a nice touristy version (which makes f-all reference to the shipyards!). Ska-P does it again! 83.191.55.91 21:54, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] song synopsis
See a reference to someone deleting someone else's song descriptions, so in order not to enter into any kind of wikifight, I have started a draft synopsis for each song on the corresponding talk page of each album, rather than within the article itself, pending a clear and unanimous wiki decision on this mattter. In the case of Ska-P, as opposed to many other performers, groups, etc., the lyrics are central to their very reason for being and should, in my opinion, be made available in some form or another, to those people who are not Spanish-speaking. 83.191.85.245 10:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] neutrality issues - again
will delete the reference to hypocritical lyrics. Whether one agrees or not with the lyrics is irrelevant. Wikipedia does not have opinions. The only legitimate place for us to express our opinions is on the talk page. 193.27.9.131 12:00, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
