Talk:Singaporean American

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[edit] Expansion

As with the other Foo American articles, this article needs to discuss their arrival in the US, settlement and achievements. Thanks Hmains 02:48, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge with Chinese Americans

No evidence in article of them being a notable independent entity. JASpencer 20:40, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

  • Agree --Vsion 20:43, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Not all Singaporeans are Chinese. There are sizable populations of Indians and Malays in Singapore. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 20:57, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Do you have census info on the number of Malay and Indian Singaporean Americans? In any case, Singaporean is a nationality not a race, as is American. The race is Chinese/Malay/Indian, as other hyphenated Americans. So support merge into Chinese American. On a completely unrelated note, I met 2 parents in the Chinese school I'm teaching at, and I just *knew* they were Singaporean... super kiasu and complaincomplaincomplain-king... :p -- Миборовский 00:44, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
  • There's a small table at the Demographics of Singapore article. The fact that "Singaporean" is a nationality is exactly why I would oppose the merge. In fact, the Singapore government tries very hard to promote racial harmony and to recognise that Singapore is a multi-racial society. I also want to point out that articles for Malaysian American and Indonesian American also exist, yet "Malaysian" and "Indonesian" are also nationalities, not ethnicities. On the other hand, there's no article for Malay American. The fact that "Singaporean" is a nationality does not necessary mean this article does not deserve to exist, if we are to use self-indentification to define the term. However, having said that, the article itself has been created for months and just judging from the limitted content, I'm not sure why there even needs to be an article on Singaporean Americans. And any merging into Asian American or Southeast Asian American would essentially mean a deletion of the article. I mean, it only has 3 sentences. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 03:57, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Then perhaps Malaysian American and Indonesian American needs to go. Citing the existence of another similar article to oppose a merge is a self-perpetuating logical fallacy. If someone is to propose those 2 articles for merge/deletion, should I cite the existence of this article as opposition? I think not. From a legal standpoint (though IANAL), it's impossible to have Singaporean Americans (or Malaysian Americans, or Indonesian Americans). Even if one is to consider Singaporean as a culture or race (the former what the Volksaktion Partei has been trying to do for the past 40 years, and the latter quite impossible in the foreseeable future), there exists the problem of notability. If you can find US census data affirming the position of Singaporean Americans as a notable group within Chinese Americans and/or hyphenated Americans, that might be a different story. But AFAIK, Singaporean Americans, even if they exist in decently large numbers, have no organisation, no identity, and no presence. -- Миборовский 04:42, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
  • PS. The table at the demographics article is no help. I was asking for demographics of "Singaporean Americans". -- Миборовский 04:46, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Technically, it is possible to legally be "Singaporean American", because you can have dual citizenship in Singapore and the US[1] up until you're 21 years old. Anyway, I only oppose the merge because not all Singaporeans are Chinese, and for that reason alone, even if all "Singaporean Americans" in existence are Chinese, it wouldn't make sense to get rid of this article. For one thing, it's entirely possible for someone to identify both as "Singaporean American" and "Chinese American". I also oppose the merge because Singaporean Americans are already mentioned in Southeast Asian American. I mentioned both Malaysian American and Indonesian American because those two articles are arguably more deserving to exist yet both "Malaysian" and "Indonesian" are nationalities. Meaning, I don't think we should be deleting them because "Malaysian", "Indonesian", and "Singaporean" are nationalities instead of ethnicities. There's no need to enforce an artificial rule that exists only in WP whereby these "ABC American" articles must be named for <Ethnicity> American. Now, I think we may want to consider simply deleting this article just because it doesn't seem very notable. But I don't think we should delete or merge it because "Singaporean" is a nationality. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 06:34, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose, due to issue of race versus nationality as discussed by other users above. ZhongHan (Email) 14:23, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
  • Rename: I don't see any evidence that people actually identify as "Singaporean American" (instead of being identified that way by others). The term barely has a few hundred hits besides Wikipedia anyway. I'd suggest renaming the article to Immigration from Singapore to the United States or something. Similarly for Malaysian American (see Talk:Malaysian American). Issues of the cultural identification of immigrants from Singapore can be addressed here as well as in subsections at the individual Chinese American and Indian American pages (I'd include Malays in there too, but there's barely any Malay immigration to the US anyway). But the title "Singaporean American" implies a community identity of which I don't see any evidence of existence. cab 01:42, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
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