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[edit] It is Challengeable
The following statement : "The answer is that Hindus generally use the Devnagri script and Muslims use the Arabic script with something like 20 or 30 extra characters."
is chaleangeable. The Devenagri script is NOT GENERALLY used anywhere in the world. It is the script that has never gained accpetablity even among Sindhi Hidus of India. You can conduct survey (S'il Vous Plait) on this question. I think there is some malafied intention of someone who has somehow convinced you to put support for Sindhi Devenagri script instead of Sindhi Arabic script. It is a way of keeping Sindhi language OUT OF the rich internet resources of Wikipedia and Wikitionary.
Ahsan Ahmad Ursani
My dear friend, no one has evil intentions to keep Sindhi out of Wikipedia. There is no Danish-Zionist plot afoot, I assure you. I hope you figure out how to start and develop the Sindhi in Arabic script website. But there are a lot of people who use Sindhi in Devanagri. I have a bunch of Sindhi Hindu friends who only know Sindhi in Devanagri. I am sure that globally there are not that many people who use Sindhi in Devanagri, but the fact is there are people who do and you need to respect there right to write on Wikipedia in Sindhi. Wikipedia is open to everyone, there is no one stopping you from developing a seperate Wikipedia in Sindhi. Kashmiri is currently in Arabic script and Devanagri. I think Punjabi has pages in Gurumukhi and Arabic script. Bosnian, Croatian and Serbian all have parallel sites. I am busy this weekend but next week I will help show you how to develop Sindhi in Arabic script. But please stop acting as though there is a conspiracy against Sindhi in Arabic script. Its just that until now no one seems to have been interested in developing Sindhi in Arabic script. It is very nice that you want to develop it. But stop acting so paranoid. Ahassan05 11:54, 18 February 2006 (UTC)ahassan05
[edit] Internal contradiction
"The language can be written using the Devanagari or Arabic scripts."
and
"Sindhi has its own script which is similar to that of Arabic but with many extra accents and phonetics. There are 52 characters in the Sindhi language."
Which is it? Ethnologue only mentions that Arabic is used by a subset of speakers. | Keithlaw 18:17, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The answer is that Hindus generally use the Devnagri script and Muslims use the Arabic script with something like 20 or 30 extra characters. Just like French uses the Latin script but with several extra characters like é,è,ç,à,ù etc.
You can see that the word Sindhi in English is followed by the word Sindhi in Urdu and then in Sindhi. Whereas in Urdu we right dal (d) and then he (h) for the dh sound, in Sindhi they write dal with two dots on top to represent dh.
I added this site to clear up any questions http://www.omniglot.com/writing/sindhi.htm
[edit] Moved from Talk:Main Page
- Dear Sir/Madam, It is mentioned on the page
- that there are 23 millio Sindhi speakers. Though this figure is much lower than the fatual figure, an other page
- states that the number of Sindhi speakers in only 19.7 millions. It is contradictions in what the Wikipedia states for Sindhi lanauge.
- There is an other condradictory statement on
- that Sindhi is written in Devnagri script. The fact is that the Devnagri script is never recognized officially. Even the govt. of India declares Sindhi as one of its official and national languages in ARABIC SINDHI script. Even if you consider the Devnagri script more acceptable to Sindhi Hindus in India, considering their smaller number (2.8 millions: as stated by one of your pages), the Sindhi article on the page
- must have been place in Sindhi Arabic script. Sindhi practically used as official language in Sindh in Sindhi Arabic Script. The official website of NATIONAL COUNCIL FOR PROMOTION OF SINDHI LANGUAGE (INDIA) provides a Sindhi font for downloading, which is an ARABIC-SINDHI font. This established the fact that even in INDIA, Sindhi is dominantly accepted and written in ARABIC-SINDHI script.
- Kindly redress the issue; by placing the articles in ARABIC-SINDHHI script.
- Ahsan Ahmad Ursani
The above was originally posted on Talk: Main Page by User:Aursani at 23:30 on 2006 February 14 (UTC). --PFHLai 07:30, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Sindhi is in fact used by a large community of Sindhis in India and abroad in Devanagri script. I do not believe that the government of India promotes Arabic script over Devanagri script. There is no special font for Sindhi in Devanagri but that doesn't mean anything. The government of India subsidizes books written in either alphabet. Furthermore if Hindu Sindhis choose to develop a Wikipedia in Sindhi in Devanagri script it is their right. They are free to do so. If you want to develop Sindhi Wikipedia in Arabic script no one is stopping you, go ahead and make as many articles as you want in Sindhi in Arabic script. But you cannot control the fact that other people do use Devanagri script. Ahassan05 12:55, 16 February 2006 (UTC)ahassan05
[edit] Kidnly Let Me Know How to Create A Page in Sindhi ARABIC Script
Can someone help me create a new page in Sindhi Arabic Script? While looking for the supported languages, I do not find the option of Sindhi (in Arabic Script). The fact is that the URL
http://sd.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
has been taken over by the Sindhi (Devenagri) script that is understood by less than 1000 people arround the world. Can someone help resolve this problem?
Ahsan Ahmad Ursani
Hi, I have begun the procedure to create a Sindhi Arabic webpage. You can go to this website to find more information:
This is going to be a lot of work. I do not speak Sindhi so I doubt I will be that much help beyond getting the Wikipedia Sindhi for you started. Do you have like five or six friends who could help you do this? As you doing this by yourself will find that it is hard to do alone. Perhaps you can advertise in the Sindhi community to get people excited to help? Also please read this: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/How_to_start_a_new_Wikipedia Ahassan05 19:11, 19 February 2006 (UTC)ahassan05
[edit] I have begun the process
I have begun the process of creating a Sindhi in Arabic wikipedia. Please get your friends to help out so that we can make it large. Ahassan05 19:13, 19 February 2006 (UTC)ahassan05
[edit] Pronunciation questions
The article says:
- The phoneme /r/ is usually pronounced as an alveolar tap, [ɾ], though occasionally reminiscent of a trill with two or more contacts.
Why not just say it is an alveolar trill that is – as in most languages with such a sound! – commonly reduced to a single contact? This would avoid confusion with the alveolar flap of American English, which is traditionally transcribed as [ɾ] but is a completely different sound from a one-contact trill.
- The affricates /c, cʰ, ɟ, ɟʱ/ are pronounced with a relatively short release and corresponding plosives symbols have therefore been used.
This is confusing. What are they?
- Are they real true palatal plosives – IPA [c cʰ ɟ ɟʱ]?
- Are they palato-alveolar affricates like ch, j in English – IPA [tʃ tʃʰ dʒ dʒʱ] (for clarity the tie bars are omitted)? These sounds have allegedly often been transcribed with the symbols for palatal plosives.
- Are they retroflex affricates like in Russian and Chinese [ʈʂ ʈʂʰ ɖʐ ɖʐʱ]? These would be "palatal" as in "articulated on the palate", but coronal rather than dorsal.
- Or are they maybe palatal affricates ending in "shibilants" [cç͡ɕ cç͡ɕʰ ɟʝ͡ʑ ɟʝ͡ʑʱ]? These are very rare sounds, but Standard Mandarin has them: Pinyin q [cç͡ɕʰ], j [ ɟ̊ ʝ ͡ʑ] (I have distorted this one so it becomes halfway legible in Arial Unicode MS).
- Or does more than one of these possibilities occur in Sindhi, perhaps in different dialects?
Inquiring minds want to know!
David Marjanović | david.marjanovic_at_gmx.at | 14:30 CEST | 1006/4/27
[edit] "Gujrat and Rajasthan"
At one point, this page included the word "Rajasthan" with a different spelling. I then changed the spelling so that this page would link to information concerning that northern Indian state. However, this page also links to "Gujrat," but I think it really meant "GujArat." I will change "Gujrat" to "Gujarat" as soon as possible so that the word links to the Indian state, not the Pakistani location. (The sentence in which "Gujrat" currently appears refers to the Indian states "Gujrat" and Rajasthan.)--70.112.164.32 15:04, 28 July 2006 (UTC) Vijay
[edit] translators needed at Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Translation
Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Translation--D-Boy 19:30, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Order of scripts
On 29 November 2006, a user changed the order of the scripts at the top of this page. Now, Devanagari script is first, preceding the Perso-Arabic script. This change should not reverted as there is clearly a majority of Sindhi speakers from Pakistan who use Perso-Arabic script (over 18 million) compared to the 2 million that use Devanagari in India. Although order should not matter excessively on Wikipedia, this is an article of a major language and that should be accurate and relevance-based, as well as in accordance with Wikipedia policy. After all, the major script source Omniglot gives only the Arabic script at the top of the Sindhi script page but introduces Devanagari at the bottom. User:Dangerous-Boy opposes this reversion by stating that the Sindhi script based on the Perso-Arabic script is "as foreign as the moguls, ghazni and the sultanates"[1] and that "the sindhi language is indic in origin and therefore the devangari should come first" [2]. I hope to hear what other users think about this topic, even though it's importance is rather low and it should not be a big issue. Thank you. Mar de Sin Speak up! 20:40, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
- More to say on this topic: The NCPSL [3], an organization in India dedicated to the Sindhi language, uses both the Arabic Sindhi script and the Devanagari script for its purposes, as proved by documents in both languages here and as well as the banners shown in the photo gallery which has Arabic-Sindhi script on top. This shows that the Arabic Sindhi script is the most influential even in India with its 2 million or so Sindhi speakers.
- And to point out a flaw in User:Dangerous-Boy's argument: Devanagari script is actually more foreign to Sindhi than Arabic Sindhi script as it was introduced by the Government of India in 1948 and has very limited popularity. Mar de Sin Speak up! 21:01, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
uh, you just stated that's it arabic script. you basically contradicted you're whole arguement. devangari has been around since early common era centuries on Indian subcontinent. it developed from the bhrami script. Sindhi itself is an indo-european language.--D-Boy 02:56, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
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- Basawala just made a bogus argument. Devanagari came out around 1200 CE. Urdu, as a language, did not exist back then so it clearly predates Urdu (though not Persian, but Devanagari is descended from the Gupta script just like Urdu script from Persian, and the Gupta Empire ruled the region long before the Muslims had even invented themselves). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hkelkar (talk • contribs) 06:43, 8 December 2006 (UTC).
