Talk:Simone de Beauvoir
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[edit] Additions re masculism
I need to admit that I have not actually read this work. What I've added is essentially my interpretation from my "Men in World History" teacher's explanation of the work. My understanding was that Simon was arguing within a dialectic: that for masculism to get anywhere further, they needed to stop arguing for a female ideal, or even a male ideal, and find the higher viewpoint. I don't feel up to the challenge of explaining this, however, so I've added what I consider a stub to a stub article.
[edit] French nobility?
Beauvoir is categorised as "French nobility," yet no reference is made to this in the article. As a rule, I object to any categorisation that isn't substantiated in the article, with the possible exception of stubs. Anyone have any info as to this claim? Buffyg 13:39, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I'm totally with you regarding your position on categories and articles. The addition was made by an anonymous user, who I tried to contact just now via their talk page. Hopefully we'll hear from them regarding the change. In the mean time, I'll do a little research. -Steven Mahoney 19:27, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)
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- Well, she does come from a family with a noble background (according to absolute Simone de Beauvoir by Florence Herve, et al) , which is also indicated by the 'de' (French for 'of') in her last name. I don't know if categorizing her as French nobility is useful although she is technically noble, since this isn't mentioned in the article (and shouldn't be considering the irrelevancy of this fact).--Carabinieri 20:51, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
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- I read a history of the Revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars, that explained the difference between the British and French peerages. In the British peerage only the eldest inherits the title. Their siblings are commoners. In the French system all the legitimate offspring were nobles. The book said that, at the outbreak of hostilities, Britain had just 92 peers, whereas 1 in 25 French citizens could claim to be a noble. If it was one in twentyfive 212 years ago what fraction of the French population can claim noble blood today? Is it more than 4%? If it is significantly more that 4% I wonder whether it is worth mentioning? -- Geo Swan 23:32, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
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Even though the "de" does denote nobility, the de Beauvoir line is extremely obscure and no-one is sure of the origin thereof or of how much noble blood there still remained. Weili 07:09, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Stubbing?
I've submitted this article for wikification, as the wikification seems to end prior to The Second Sex. I'd be happy to do it, but I don't have time at the moment. As well, what do you all think of stubbing--or re-stubbing, as the case may be--this article? It seems to be quite short for someone so well known and researched. --onesong
- Definitely needs to be stubbed: the article is quite short and hardly covers any of Simone de Beauvoir's works (among the extremely important ones are Pyrrhus et Cinéas, The Blood of Others, Memoirs of a Dutiful Daughter, and Adieux) nor the questions about the relationship of her work to Sartre's. --Paultopia 16:04, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Studies at Ecole Normale Superieure
According to what sources did she not attend Ecole Normale Superieure? According to absolute Simone de Beauvoir by Florence Herve, et al, she did attend this school. The École Normale Supérieure article also lists her as an allumni.--Carabinieri 20:44, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
According to her own autobiography, she clearly states that she studied philosophy at the above-mentioned school - how can there be any debate about it? Weili 07:11, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Petite =
Should be petit.
[edit] Focus on philosophical writings
I just want to hastily point out that this page needs serious expansion on the philosophical side. This should be possible to do without doing original research now that she's finally been granted attention as an independant philosopher in several fairly recent publications. I might undertake expanding later on after or while I'm writing an essay on her at my uni. Meanwhile, well, I just wanted to point it out :-)
