Talk:Simchat Torah

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The article fails to acknowledge and explain the 2 day issue with people outside of the Land of Israel...71.156.40.78 01:04, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Custom of shouting Moshe Emes

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In Orthodox synagogues the circuits are followed by participant shouts of, "Moshe emes v'Soraso emes!" ("Moses is true and his Torah is true!") while jumping up and down. This custom, which is especially enjoyed by the children in attendance, recalls the same words that were uttered by the sons of Korach after the earth opened up and swallowed them and their possessions, according to the Midrash (but not the Torah itself). While Korach and his wife, who instigated the rebellion against Moses' leadership of the ancient Israelites in the desert, were lost, Korach's sons repented and were elevated up from the earth's bowels back to the surface, uttering this verse. The verse is especially appropriate to Simchat Torah, when Jews celebrate the veracity of the Torah.

I've been at a number of Orthodox synagogues that don't do this. This strikes me as a minor custom -- far from essential to the holiday -- which may be here because it happens to be some editor's favorite. So far as I know in Orthodox synagogues a wide variety of songs and chants are done as part of the procession and dancing. The long description of this particular custom with claims about its origin and phrases like "especially appropriate" seems very POV-pushing. If this particular custom is mentioned at all, suggest sourcing who does it and cutting the description considerably. If we have to quote liturgy, why not discuss the Hakafot and other matters? --Shirahadasha 00:15, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. I've attended a wide range of Orthodox synagogues on Simchat Torah, chassidic and misnaged, modern orthodox and chareidi. While this is a popular song, I've not been anywhere where it's cropped up more than once or twice in the 7 hakafas; it's no more or less worthy of inclusion than any of a dozen other songs that are very popular on that day. --Dweller 07:21, 17 October 2006 (UTC)