User talk:SilkTork/Arizona
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[edit] Beer pong good article nomination
Hi SilkTork,
There is now a different procedure for promoting articles to the status of good article.
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Please feel free to nominate beer pong if you feel it meets the criteria for a good article.
Cedars 01:02, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Beer Links
My bad, it looked like linkspam to me, sorry. Crazynas 17:06, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Nothing specific, it's just like normal RC, except the whole process is automated, I'd suggest you merge the global whitelist and admin list to cut down on the number of changes. :) Crazynas 18:19, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Your edit to Steve Ford
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[edit] gluten free beer
I understand you may have removed some links. Can you explain which ones and why? Did you change the iten in beer? perhaps you might want to read the item in the discussion on beer if so?
Later addition: It seems so. Should I delete all material on beer and brewing and all such material that is not related to what one in a hundred people can consume without risking becomming very ill, even dying? Should I decide that such material is not relevent to us. You can drink gluten free beer, I cannot drink anything but. Perhaps you might wish to consider other's interests before deleting so casually?
[edit] REPLY to comment
I am quite happy to work the material, but to suggest that the only beer one in a hundred people can have is not as important as references to some of the other "related beverages" etc is very insulting. You clearly have no idea what it has been like for beer drinkers to go years, even decades without drinking beer. The social isolation from many experiences you take for granted is SIGNIFICANT. As you say, your opinion is no more important than mine - and I note that there are links to many websites on the page - why are these not deleted ? Why not delete them all ? To delete without discussion is very annoying, and clearly shows you dismiss this very important and growing type as spurious. Try telling coeliacs face to face that, I can invite you to an occassion where you can argue the point. However, I suggest that it is more sensible to discuss the material which was less than 1% of the article, yet is the only bit really relevant to 1% of those who use wikipedia. Before I rewrite the article (and note I deleted nothing, and still do not intend to), perhaps you might be more positive in your suggestions. The GF material is valid and will return - it is up to you if you want to contribute rather than dismiss it. And the reference to the only dedicated resource is necessary, clearly at LEAST as necessary as other sources on the page.
...Later I notice that some items concerning brewing matters have links to articles you yourself have written. Before I start cleaning up the brewing area, restoring important material, I wonder if I might have clarification over your understanding of the irregular verb "promotion". Is it:
- "you promote",
- "they promote",
- "he promotes",
- "I provide important information about a valuable resource I happen to be connected to",
- "she promotes" ?
If you continue to replace valid content with lies (that those who cannot consume gluten do not drink beer) I will just have to assume that all your entries lack validity and remove them, repeatedly if necessary. I do not have time to read through every word you contribute. Now I do not want to to do this, it seems very negative, but I will not tolerate absolute mistruths being inserted. Perhaps you could reply to my comments, or I will assume that your mission is purely malicious and act accordingly.
Thank you for at last recognising that I am trying to communicate with you - it seems I have to leave comments everywhere to get your attention. Could you explain to me why you are following me around reversing changes in whatever section I work on? I have not done that to you, have I? Do you not think that someone who does that is essentially on a bullying mission? I have already explained to you that I do NOT want to assume that your contributions are intrinsically negative. I do NOT want to follow you around reversing anything you do. That is what you are doing to me. I do not care what you write about anything that I am uninterested in. But conversely if I work on Dermatitis herpetiformis, you are there making changes to anything you feel may relate to gluten free beer. Why? What's it to you? We can argue about the degree of relevance of gluten free beer to sorghum? Though I think the relevance to sorghum is blindingly obvious - but why would you want to remove a link that takes sufferers of DH to the only serious resource for beer they can drink. You give the impression that you do not care about us, only for eliminating from reality the FACT of gluten free beer. Indeed, YOU are making this a personal mission and one that is essentially aggressive and bullying. Now, I give you a few days to stop following me around mindlessly eliminating my work. Stop taking sudden interests in topics I have worked on, unless you want to be POSITIVE. Grow up. Move one. Find someone else to pick on. I am not going away. I shall be restoring some of the corrupted material, and note I will not be mindlessly deleting the work of others. Then I want to check that you are not returning to a negative, destructive aggressive campaign. I am giving you the opportunity to stop bullying me, for I will not accept that behaviour from you any more. I will even reward you with a bottle conditioned gluten free real ale, should you give me your address. Try it. Then tell me coeliacs "can't drink beer".wikwobble
Yes, we can debate some of these points, and I have mailed the relevant points to the website in question, as I think they will back me up - but you have continually made an assumption. check the facts - not MY website. I associate myself with it - but not MY website. Consider when I have ever said as much? perhaps you take too much for granted? Perhaps you have not seen my answers to specific points you have raised. I consider the website the only resource truly working for millions of us. Why don't you get in touch and join in the discussion over how some of us can get back into society rather than dismissing our interest as deletable? Again, I insist you hear me! Don't jump to conclusions! you are not the only authentic voice! There is more to beer than what existed 30 years ago. The disabled are not going to hide themselves from your view anymore, we are going to sit and drink in the same pubs as you. Like it or not. Tough luck if you do not like what you see. No more hiding away, we have as much right to beer as you, and if you do not like to drink with us with our crippled ways, tough luck pal. Everything I said earlier stands. We have DH, Coeliacs and MS, and many other conditions, and we are part of society. Like it or not.
Now, givin you are now hearing my voice (and it feels a long time since you expressed that) I will calm myself a little and express again my offer to You. You have the chance to contribute rather than bully and dismiss - I am still willing to settle the matter over a beer. I will send it to you with my best wishes. But UNDERSTAND - we have spent a long time with various disorders, and a simple pint is actually more important to us than you, as it is not that easy to come by. I do not regret your opportunities. Why do I get the feeling you deny ours? But it is time, since you seem to seem to take the position that you are the "authentic" voice of beer, to take notice of those that do not have those freedoms you enjoy. Stop. Think again. Communicate with the only website that I see is working for me - a working class bloke with a penchant for beer - Consider how your efforts can liberate us rather than isolate us. For tomorrow I will want to send you a pint, not waste time negating you negativity.
But, to be fair, despite your assumptions and violence, I see some more positive tone. I want to encourage that. Will you recognise in yourself some delete-happy prejudice? I want to believe you do not dismiss - I really do - but look at the article on beer! Do we feel included as it stands? Those with coeliacs, Multiple sclerosis, DH.... Do you really feel YOUR view on beer is "inclusive"? Is it ok for you guys to make sure there is a ramp in the doorway but f***all for us to drink when we get inside?
Before you answer, look carefully at the points I have raised, over some time now, and the offers of friendship proffered. No really, read them again and digest what I have said. Remember I have still not attacked your work. Can you not see why I see you as the aggressor? I feel we have a last chance to stop banging heads, and I regret that you do not see how your behaviour is that of the bully. But it is only perceived threats that brought you to the table! I do not want you to answer until you have really understood my position.
I know you want to type now. But I ask you to stop. Read through our correspondence. Ask yourself if you are truly happy with how you have worked with me. Then answer. For you cannot take back that which you commit to your fingers. I feel you are typing on instinct, not hearing my voice! I have not followed you around, not deleted links that might be seen as self-serving. I again offer you a beer, but make clear that soon I will be adding content to articles. I agree I have learned from you. I think it is time you introspect, and then answer the questions I have raised. Are you really, truly, deeply, happy with everything you have done? Is there no element of pride, ownership, prejudice, spite, acquisitiveness, or egregiousness in your editing?
I think we both know how your answer must begin!
f*** m* its late. But this is not an unimpotant matter. It demands time and I hope you will not reply until you are truly content that it reflects introspection and consideration. My advice, for what it is worth, is to have a beer first. wikwobble
[edit] Beer Reorganisation
Thanks Steve for your feedback. I know what you mean about the contents section becoming unwieldy. I guess my thinking was more about creating a framework so that, when people added more information, there would be a rough guide as to where they should put things. It may be that there is more to be said about the ingredients which will flesh that section out.
That said, I still think the article looks a bit unkempt. Maybe a further tightening and grouping of the disparate paragraphs. Not to make the content section bigger, but perhaps to tidy it up a bit. Let me know what you think.
I am pleased with the new look of the external links section. As you may be gathering, this is a bit of a bug bear of mine! Mind you, my next stop may have to be the Pub Names page. That is desperately in need of an ordered mind! Thanks again Steve. Duncshine 11:10, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] White Space
Please stop making edits that only change whitespace like this Martin 19:34, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- An adjustment may be needed to the AutoWikiBrowser. If offered the correction - as it involved no textual abuse I accepted the change. There are many such incidents where the AWB tidies up unwanted white space. Hmmmmm. SilkTork 19:46, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Beer footnotes
Glad to help. Good work with the article thusfar. Cheers! -Loren 07:34, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] bullying
I have pleaded and pleaded with you not to continue this policy of harassment against me. Why do you feel the need to follow me around reversing anything I do, blind. Why is nothing I do worth anything but deletion? I have asked and asked you to stop. We are at the end of the road for sorting out our problems. Note I have never done anything to topics you have written, but you have followed me to areas of my expertise and blindly reversed anything I do, over and over again. Why are you suddenly the expert on coeliacs disease or dermatitis herpetiformis? I am. But you will not talk to me, just reverse anything I do. If you are not able to step back from your approach, I suggest you ask a third party to review my edits as you lack perspective. I will again be making changes to areas where I have expertise. AGAIN I ask you to either talk to me or, if you cannot, ask someone else to review my changes. I have emailed the person you wrongly assume I am, at the website you wrongly assume is mine. I hope he will be able to convince you of the value of the work I am offering. Although constantly seeing everything I do being reversed is depressing, I will not let you push me off wikipedia, despite that unhelpful suggestion. If this continues I will have to proceed using Wikipedia's suggested methods. However, you could just stop being the playground bully. You are too old to play that role. wikwobble
[edit] bullying, further
I have asked you to suggest to another that they review my work. Please do so. It seems a reasonable request and your refusal to do so reflects only upon yourself. wikwobble
Thank you for drawing our issues to another user's attention. Also for communicating with me concerning the editing disputes we have. I think both steps are a positive move forward. I hope we can still disagree strongly. There is still a bottle with your name on it, I do not offer what I am not prepared to deliver. wikwobble
[edit] Comments
Hello SilkTork, thanks for your comments and congratulations on your upcoming wedding :) sikander 01:44, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Beer
IO don't think its my edits becasue I saw the missing text at Beer before I ever edited it. Some edits were lost because I reverted to an old version. I have no idea why some stuff was lost on the talk page. BrokenSegue 14:09, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Beer
oh well, i think that it is better than the ww2 article. what you're a wine person? LOL Richardkselby 01:03, 22 June 2006 (UTC) I don't know if one exists, but there should be a wikipriject Alcohol. That would be funny.
glutgen free beer==
Hello. I have been asked to reply to this point, though I am not sure if I am comfortable doing so as my website appears in the refrences, and I don’t want to comment on those choices, made by others, other than to note some issues. Firsly the image. I provided that as requested by someone editing Wikipedia. I sent what was asked to that representative of Wiipedia, and made it public domain, but I think it is not really ok for someone within Wikipedia to then chop it up without discussing it. I am not sure where the limits to public domain are, but I would have thought it at least a little rude. I went to the history page to see what refernces were made, and what you had changed. Can I indicate that C Samgalski writes direclty for my site and that articles on the sit3e itself were written by her and sent to me, not reprinted (as opposed to other Smagaldski articdles that are only linkied from my site). I am not sure where else you can find some of them, but they were sent to me directly for putting onto the website. One of them is a completely different article to the one you changed it to, and is more generic advice than the other.. If I undersatned what I am looking at, all the other refernces to Caroline’s articles are to Bella, aren’t they? Lastly on this, it is not my fault that there is no other site that focusses on gf beer and is independent. I wish there was. Then you could fill the page with references eh? And I wouldn’t waste my time running th site. Just one last thing. When I went iinto the history I saw a note from you dated 15 June – 19.08. Just wanted to mention that I had not planned entering any beuty competitions. steve 14:35, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Claims
I am not sure I waqnt my full name on any sit eon the internet, other than my own.steve 14:55, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
