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[edit] Neutral/Anti-Hero?

It appears that Silver was under the sub-heading. Neutral/Anti-heroes of the Sonic the Hedgehog series characters. How does anyone know he's neutral or anti? By what I've heard, that he's trying to stop Sonic from doing something that could potentially kill someone, he appears to be good. Or at least unknown. UnDeRsCoRe 16:02, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I totaly agree, all he wants to do is save the world from becoming a molten wasteland, so he bothers Sonic while he tries to save his new friend Elise, like he knows what Sonic's doing anyways, besides I think he'll make a powerful and helpful member of the team and will probably be a good of friend to Sonic as his partner Blaze is to Sonic. SoundPound500000

I've heard that Silver's personality is like a blending of Sonic's and Shadow's. --Luigifan 23:02, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

If Silver is associated in some way with Blaze the Cat, then why isn't Silver considered a "hero"???? 65.87.191.22 21:20, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

The problem's been fixed, Silver's now classified as a hero. --Luigifan 02:07, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Never contributed to this discussion but after reading the script and spoilers, I'm inclined to agree that Silver is, indeed, without a doubt, a hero. Knuckles sonic8 19:49, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Silver a hero case closed (bought to you by sonic shadow silver)

[edit] Descendant of Shadow Rumor?

Who put that up there? Although they do share a resemblance, Silver would have to be Black and Red because that's Black Doom's bloodline trait. Actually, forget the bloodline trait. I just remembered something from Biology that could dispel that. - Mystic —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.191.20.77 (talk • contribs).

Hey, remember it's just a rumor. Don't get all worked up about it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.191.20.77 (talk • contribs).


he looks albino... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.141.125.237 (talk • contribs).

Then why does he have gold eyes? Roxyr 19:07, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, somebody just added some note about a "black and red hedgehog holding baby Silver" in one of Silver's flashbacks. I think it's speculation, so I reverted it, but it could be interesting to investigate. --Luigifan 19:34, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

We'll hear something about it I'm sure as the game has been released and some users have been really good at obtaining information from it for us and from other sources as well, but yeah, that is interesting, ain't it? Knuckles sonic8 19:48, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Exicted!

You people are too fast! No info are released yet, but creating his own article already.

>x<ino 15:08, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Some of this information was indeed presented at E3; however the article needs some serious cleaning up. The S 19:57, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Can anyone give the source for the Riders statement? This is new information and I want to know where it came from. I.M.Fearless 21:16, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Well I've seen in game play of this character. He moves relatively slow compared to Sonic but that's for alternate game play. This stuff has been confirmed so I don't know why this article is under suspected hoax. Echo Sae 21:11, 11 May 2006


What I am saying is that, we wait, come on. This game isn't even release. We got no info nor full details about him. Accept for some tiny ones about his powers, is colour ect. We need full details!

>x<ino 01:34, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

No hoax, all real. I've added a link to Sega's information page. --DavidHOzAu 01:56, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm glad someone agrees with me on this. There's almost no info on Silver and already he has his own article! 24.196.6.150 08:26, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Future?

SEGA has never mentioned that Silver is from the future. --Alexie 04:34, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Don't bother focusing in this cheap article, when the time comes, then we do a week clean up. maybe a day:P

>x<ino 07:52, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

If you watch show floor demos from E3, SEGA booth staff specifically mention he's a hedgehog who's come from the future to stop Sonic. For instance- http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=2146 --HellCat86 23:03, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I think Sonic was the Iblis Trigger from the start. So, obviously, Silver's here to prevent Sonic's birth? --Alexie 20:13, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I doubt it. Obviously Sonic has saved the world a good few times, it just seems to be this time he screws up. I imagine the residents of the future are less than happy with what happened so Silver is probably meant to just alter history so Sonic doesn't cause the catastrophe but might be a bit vengeful. --HellCat86 20:38, 13 May 2006 (UTC)


History Spoiler warning: Plot and/or ending details follow. Silver is from the future. In the game Sonic the Hedgehog, he travels back in time to prevent Sonic from becoming the Iblis Trigger. If Sonic is the Iblis Trigger, how come it doesn't say so in Sonic NeXt Gen article!?

>x<ino 15:32, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

If you watched some E3 trailers, you could see that Silver says this: "I've finally found it... the Iblis Trigger." while looking at Sonic. But here's the problem: How can Silver stop Sonic from being the Iblis Trigger when Sonic already is the trigger? --Alexie 00:47, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

  • It's a time travel story, which are known for being somewhat headache inducing. Obviously in the timeline Silver comes from Sonic is the Iblis Trigger. Obviously Silver has been sent back to stop that from happening but for the purpose of his mission Sonic is the trigger until the critical event is changed. Since SEGA seems to have plans for him beyond this game, it seems they're following one take on time travel where changing the past just creates an alternate future. Silver will come from this alternate future meaning he can still exist, whilst the main timeline can have a happy future.--HellCat86 12:01, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


I don't wanna go over this cheap argugment about who is the iblis trigger, some people don't even know how to watch trailers (rolls eyes) & (kisses is teeth).

>x<ino 01:44, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

We'll end the argument, k? --Alexie 00:23, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Silver is not Shadow

Think abute it if he was Shadow he woud be has fast has Sonic —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.54.98.159 (talk • contribs).

yeh but some people say Shadow can only run as fast as Sonic because of his shoes, and as Silver is wearing different shoes........ it could be him —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.77.110.239 (talk • contribs).

That depends on who says it, in Sonic X theres a few times when Sonic and Shadow are racing and Shadow is running and keeping up just fine —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.54.97.195 (talk • contribs).

That would be true if Silver was debuting in Sonic X, but he's in the Sonic games, not Sonic X, so Shadow being as fast as Sonic without his jet shoes is still unknown. It's best to say that Shadow still has super speed without the shoes, but wouldn't be as fast as Sonic. - Mystic —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.191.20.77 (talk • contribs).

But in Sonic Rivals Silver is as fast as Sonic and Shadow. MindWraith 04:00, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

How could you know that the game is not even out yet —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.54.97.193 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Trivia bit

"Silver is white-ish silver because Sonic Team was running out of colours to make their main characters."

is there proof for this or should "allegedly" or "rumoured to be" be put in there somewhere? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.128.192.78 (talk • contribs).

there is proof...It was said in an interview Grandmastergalvatron 18:16, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Should be ommited altogether unless some source can be provided. 69.145.123.171 Hello! Tuesday, June 27, 2006, 23:32 (UTC)

"People who are colorblind sometimes mistakenly think he is white, although his name clearly states he is silver in color."

I am editing this statement because it's rude. I wouldn't call his color Silver by a longshot. Grandmastergalvatron 04:56, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
That statement doesn't make any sense anyway. Whoever wrote it would have to be colorblind and not colorblind at the same time. 69.145.123.171 Hello! Wednesday, July 5, 2006, 23:15 (UTC)

Uh... what, they haven't used GREEN yet?! Ashura doesn't count, and neither does Cosmo. Neither has appeared in a normal game. Perhaps Green would look too ugly on scenic jungle backgrounds and such. Finally, Vector doesn't seem very "Main" to me. He's the second to last character listed in Sonic Heroes. That's not a main character. 17:39, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Jet is green. UnDeRsCoRe 15:59, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm the one who put the original (and current) line there, i just wrote what I read.MindWraith 07:37, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] White

How could anyone think Silver is Silver? He's white, not a robot. How can an organic creature even be Silver? MindWraith 06:37, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Sonic's blue, and Amy's pink; THOSE are unusual colours for an organic, mind you. -Anonymous 9:52, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


To me the most accurate would be a greyish white.Czin 12:42, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, yes. True. Anonymous65.87.191.22 00:37, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

For the sake of brevity I think its best to just say white MindWraith 10:51, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fatal Catastrophe?

I remember reading somewhere that the "Iblis Trigger" event would lead to the "deaths" of some. I can't recall where I heard it though, but I want to find it so I can put it on the page. Anyone recall something along these lines? Knuckles sonic8 19:55, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

You can find that on any forum, that, as far as I know, is just speculation.Czin 22:41, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Concept art?

Anybody have the link to the (supposed) concept art of Silver the Hedgehog?

I think it was just fan art drawn by Sonic Cult. UnDeRsCoRe 21:01, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Wrong, people keep linking me to places where people are calling "fake!" Believe it or not, that art IS real, and when I questioned my source about he he proved to me that it in fact IS legit concept art. --71.107.130.201 05:39, 27 September 2006 (UTC) (Sazpaimon)

I second that, the art is official.MindWraith 08:40, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Are you sure about that? I've compared some of the offical art to this "concept art" of Silver. I have noticed there were some minor differences between each other. For one thing, the ears. The ears are a lot more smaller and looks somewhat different in shape compared to Sonic's ears. Another thing are the boots. They both are a different size to a certain extent. The eyes, too, I've noticed, are very different. They do not look like any other character's eyes. And too, just because it was shaded in SA style does not mean that it's "official". There are several pieces of fanart that have that sort of colouring. Anyways, I'm NOT saying that I'm right about all this. There may be some things I didn't happen to look at. And finally, I'm not telling you it isn't official, it possibly could be, maybe just drawn in a different way. That's all I have to say. But, oce again, please don't take this seriously. Thank you. -Anonymous65.87.191.22 15:07, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The meaning of Iblis

Iblis is the arabic name for the devil. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.148.103.16 (talk • contribs).

Which means Anti-Christ. Anonymous65.87.191.22 14:52, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Please sign your posts with ~~~~ Also, we've all known that for some time now. <_< UnDeRsCoRe 22:17, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Anti-Christ trigger?!? No wonder this is going to be E-10+!!! --Luigifan 02:53, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually if it involves religion, especially of an "anti" nature, the least it should get is T. UnDeRsCoRe 15:19, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Wait a minute. The Anti-Christ isn't Satan... he's just one of the devil's most devoted servants. However, it is true that the Anti-Christ is (or will be) a dangerous foe of all that is virtuous. --Luigifan 19:28, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I swear the Sonic Team's gone MAD. Games are supposed to be fun, not all this crap. What is inspiring them to do these ideas anyways? I'm quite certain the next thing they'll probably move on to is adult content. -_-; 65.87.191.22 23:34, 15 October 2006 (UTC)Anonymous

How is this "crap" in any way? Please don't tell me you're one of those people who thinks that Harry Potter teaches children witchcraft...007kz 01:40, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

There are people who beleive that Harry Potter is Satanic?!? Excuse me for a moment... WHAH HAH HAH HAH HAH!!!!!! Too... funny... can't... breathe!!! --Luigifan 01:49, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
It's true. People do think that. This has only arisen because of the christian morals of how magic, black arts, etc are "morally wrong" or to be blatant: evil. Again, I doubt Harry Potter is an evil Satan Worshiper (not that Satanists are "evil". I've met some nice ones before) who wants to make everyone non-christian. Should I mention he celebrates Christmas in every book and the fact that he's fictional?! UnDeRsCoRe 02:44, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, it's true, Christianity hates the occult, because the occult does not come from God. And, everything that is not from God is the property of Satan. There isn't really any middle ground. --Luigifan 19:25, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


  • Anti-Christ? You're over exaggerating. If you ask me, I think "iblis" was just a name for the monster. It wasn't literally a devil. It probably meant he had "devilish" traits such as: red, fire, and the whole "burn and destroy" thing. This exists in other Sonic characters too. For example, Shadow is called "shadow" but they don't mean he's a shadow literaly, neither do Tails, Knuckles (whoa that would be a sight) or Cream. (Well, maybe Cream). Oh ya, and Eggman (he's only shaped like an egg, he's not actually one. If he was Sonic would have cracked him open a while ago...) UnDeRsCoRe 02:51, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
XD Oh, UnDeRsCoRe, you're cracking me up!!!! Anyway, I've heard that "Iblis" is the Muslim name for Satan. Of course, that's an overstatement when applied to this Iblis. --Luigifan 03:02, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Wait a minute. What do you mean by saying that Cream's name "literally" suits her?!? --Luigifan 22:34, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Dunno. Could be whatever anyone assumes it to be. If they decide to assume it's something "nasty", then that's their choice. UnDeRsCoRe 23:37, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


Now did I say that? NO. You don't even know what you're talking about. And what does Harry Potter got to do wih anything? And witchcraft has nothing to do with what I'm talking about nor this game. 65.87.191.22 22:40, 21 October 2006 (UTC)Anonymous

Lately, this religion theme has been becoming more and more notable in Sonic games. Take Riders for example: the "Digital Dimension" track (better example than Babylon Guardian but that could still be used). Don't know what kind of angle SEGA is hinting at but I'm not liking it very much. That's probably the main reason as to why the game was speculated to be E10+ at the time. But anyway... Knuckles sonic8 00:26, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Let's not forget Black Doom trying to pass himself off as a messiah... >_< --Luigifan 00:32, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, if you ask me, Sega trying to aim at a more "mature" level, by incorparating religion into them. Or they could just be trying to implement religion into young children's eyes. Or it could just all be coincidental and have no meaning behind it. UnDeRsCoRe 02:15, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Wait, are you saying that SEGA's trying to indoctrinate little kids? That's disturbing. --Luigifan 19:30, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Highly doubt it's coincidental. This whole religious perspective is quite questionable/notworthy, whatever you wanna call it. It just... doesn't fit well within the Sonic games and it doesn't look that good on the producers of the games, anyways. Knuckles sonic8 19:31, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Silver`s personality

I think what they mean by "young" or "immature" is that Silver probably has a somewhat innocent view of the world of good and evil; he`s probably a little naive and simplified when it comes to judging between good and evil. He might be the honorable type that, while being near-humorlessly serious like Shadow, will probably be honest, noble and concerned about the greater good like Sonic. A middle point between their personalities, if you will. Just a thought.--Crossfire 7 09:22, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Alright who put that Silver was 13???? I don't know, but how does anybody know that? How? I keep hearing rumours that he is 17 or 15 or what not. Sure, he's a teenager, but, this is just plain crazy, it truely is. He sounds more like in his late teens, thus there isn't any Sonic character that is that age (well, maybe Amy Rose, if she were to age by a year, but I'm thinking that she's the same age as she always was.). Normally there are 14/15 year-old characters, but...I don't know but Silver doesn't *sound* 13. 65.87.191.22 23:28, 15 October 2006 (UTC)Anonymous

Sonic sounds more like an 8 year old than 15 MindWraith 10:46, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] YUJI NAKA stated that Silver would be white?

I can't find the interview on IGN, but I'm 99 percent sure that it WASN'T Yuji Naka who stated Silver was white, because he left Sonic Team way before anything about Silver was even REVEALED. Could someone put up a link to the interview? 007kz 04:36, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

It wasn't Yuji Naka who was inteviewed, it was a SEGA representative, I can't remember which one though. MindWraith 07:07, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I can't halp but to notice that they say Silver the hedgehog is white becouse they ran out of colors for their mane chracters, what about Rouge the bat she is one of ther mane chracters and she is white65.54.155.46

[edit] What the heck?

I gotta know, where are you people getting this stuff? Barely any information on Silver has been released, and some of the stuff here is just... premature! I'd like to be linked to the page (Preferably in English) where Sonic Team announced half this stuff. Particularly the part about Blaze and Silver having any relation. Draykon 23:58, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

There was no English announcement for blaze and silver's relationship, it was announced on the Japanese site. MindWraith 07:47, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

All the info here are official facts, even if they're not linked. I'm too lazy to link them, but if someone wants to, feel free.71.212.191.119 22:36, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Got an English Source, but only if you're willing to overlook a major spoiler. I doubt you will but just in case, I'm still leaving this door of opportunity open to you. Knuckles sonic8 23:36, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I would be perfectly willing to overlook any spoilers as necessary just to get some confirmation on some of this crap. Draykon 00:52, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

According to another user who helps me edit the Sonic the Hedgehog (2006) article, Grandmaster...something or other (sorry :P) has used the Official Strategy Guide as a source and in it, it claims this. I believe there's another source too but I can't remember it off the top of my head. Knuckles sonic8 19:46, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Who keeps putting the stuff about Silver and Blaze harboring feelings for one another? I mean, sure, everyone's open to their interpretations of actions and words, but... wouldn't this be similar to putting on Sonic's article that he harbors feelings for Amy or something? -- Anonymous reader

The guide says nothing about their relationship. The JPN site says that Blaze views Silver as a younger brother. Silver has admitted to being emotionally dependent on Blaze. In addition, it looked like he was starting to cry after she vanished. In any case, it's shown that Silver likes Blaze a hell of a lot more than she likes him (as far as we can see). His theme song seems to indicate that he blames himself for her loss. (I can't see anything else he'd ask for forgiveness for...even if it wasn't his fault). Meanwhile, it's painfully obvious that Sonic has little to no feelings for Amy. Especially given that Elise got farther with him in a short time than Amy has her whole life. It's really about the same as saying Sonic harbors feelings for Elise, and Rouge for Shadow (which was made blisteringly obvious this game). The problem is, everyone wants to make the relationships sexual which they are not. :/GrandMasterGalvatron 05:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

AMEN, Grandmastegalvatron, AMEN!!! Aguni Dragon-OX 03:00, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Energy Wave?

I've seen some videoes including one of the trailers of Silver using some massive energy wave that has differant levels appearantly. SoundPound500000 October 31, 2006 7:27

[edit] Super Silver

How much more data do we need before we can add it to the article? So far, we can cite that he will be in the final battle, as well as playable in the levels. I know what he looks like, due to information from the game tester, but we can't exactly cite that. However, the strategy guide comes out in exactly one week and I will scan a pic from there. GrandMasterGalvatron 22:30, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

You could be right, Sonic and Shadow have Super forms, besides he is the newest major character. SoundPound500000 October 31, 2006 7:31 p.m.

Most likely Silver will have a super form for the game's final battle. On Gamespot forums (not that i'm saying this has been confirmed) there was a decompile of info from Sonic Cult and one of the unlockables was in-game supers for the characters, so I'm saying that Silver has a good chance of going super. Not that that last bit of info had anything to do with Silver going super. BlackEDGE MkII 01:59, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

ahhrrggh!!! there is too many super forms,so it´s pretty sure he has one. list of guys with super forms. sonic shadow knuckles chaos tails metal sonic (maybe) blaze

There are too many Sonic characters with super forms, and there's a good chance Silver will have one too. The only thing that would be fine with Silver going super would be if he used the Time Stones to transform instead of the Chaos Emeralds (that would an awesome homage to the 2d era of Sonic). Oh, and Blaze does have a super form but because it was produced by the Sol Emeralds, she's called Burning Blaze. BlackEDGE MkII 22:08, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Wait you were talking about Metal Sonic having a super form, weren't you? My bad. Sorry for insulting your intelligence. BlackEDGE MkII 00:47, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Yep, Silver has a super form. Go to the discussion board for Chaos Emeralds to see what I'm talkin about. BlackEDGE MkII 00:40, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


Ok...I've seen a video of the final battle, but the quality kinda sucks so I can't really tell what Super Silver can do. Can you peeps who have the game spot any gameplay differences between Silver and Super Silver? Oh and looks like some folks got pwned hard about Sonic being a source of power :P GrandMasterGalvatron 00:35, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I myself don't have the game (yet). Can't help you there, Grandmastergalvatron. Sorry. But, does anyone have a pic of Super Silver? BlackEDGE MkII 23:49, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I have a high res one now. I shall upload it shortly.GrandMasterGalvatron 04:12, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Uploaded. Bask in it's awesomeness :PGrandMasterGalvatron 05:09, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Nice! Knuckles sonic8 14:09, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Awesome! Grandmastergalvatron, YOU ARE THE MAN! Aguni Dragon-OX 02:58, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit War

And a dumbass one at that. For whatever reason...there seems to be mass reverting over the word "color". Some IP address keeps adding a blasted "u" to the word. I've lost count of how many times I have reverted it. Seriously...what is the deal? GrandMasterGalvatron 19:15, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Because it IS spelt with a "U" :D. ColoUrnotcolor 20:31, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Coming from someone who can't even spell "spelled" I don't know what to think. GrandMasterGalvatron 22:00, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

lol, you get so easily stressed XD.

Anyway, dont worry, i'll stop correcting your spelling mistakes. ColoUrnotcolor 22:05, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

But it is spelled with a "U" isn't it? MindWraith 05:02, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

{sigh} It is spelled with a "U" if you live in Canada. So are "favorite", and... a lot of other words that I can't bring to mind right now. --Luigifan 12:32, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Not just Canada... It's simply "color" in American English and "colour" in British English. And according to Wikipedia: Manual of Style#National varietes of English, both are acceptable on Wikipedia. 83.255.68.110 12:52, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
According to this article, and the talk pages an links therein, there needs to be unity within the article as well as to use what better fits with the article. Not only did we start off with the U.S. spelling, but there's nothing in this article that would mandate that we would have to use the other spelling (IE: no heavy British influence). GrandMasterGalvatron 13:12, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I pretty much made this article from nothing to what it is today, it was originaly just a brief bio from an interview, then I added the powers section, colours, ect. And i'm Australian where we use British English. It's been British English until just recently (past month or so) when more info has been released on him. MindWraith 00:28, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

That doesn't really mean anything, since one person doesn't decide something for an article that everyone works on. -Sukecchi 17:12, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Then what we need to do is vote since we can't reach an agreement. That's fair. -Sukecchi 00:37, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Generally whatever was used first is used for the entire article, unless the article requires a certain spelling (ie the Canada article would require Canadian spelling). --Wafulz 01:02, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, I live in Canada and I'll tell you, both "Color" and "Colour" are genearally both excepted as proper and correct. But, I personnally don't use "colour" because I think it's derived from the more or less, Canadian French language. In accordance with what you said, this article is viewed world-wide meaning we should probably use the version of the word that is used the most in all english speaking countries. UnDeRsCoRe 16:52, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Here you go. -- RattleMan 01:33, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Whoop. There it is :P GrandMasterGalvatron 16:40, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and changed it back to color. -Sukecchi 17:12, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

The stupidest edit war ever. Aguni Dragon-OX 02:57, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Age

I know that his age is unknown, but doesn't Blaze view him as a younger brother? Wouldn't that mean that Silver is (at least) slightly younger than 14 (Blaze's age)? Any comments? Oh, and I'm not gonna edit anything in the article. Aguni Dragon-OX 02:56, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

It's also been stated that he's immature so he could be the same age as she but act young. He is supposedly somewhere in between 13-15. I'm placing my bets on 14 but we'll find out next month.GrandMasterGalvatron 21:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Super Silver's Power source

Ok, who listed him as transforming using Super Sonic's exess power? The emeralds were there (apparently in Sonic's spines, another Sonic X thing implemented), and Shadow looked exactly the same, it looked WAY too much like they used the emeralds. It's much more likely that they used the emeralds anyway, if you think about it. There's really nothing to actually suggest that he used Super Sonic's excess power, otherwise we could say that Shadow used Sonic's excess power in SA2. Anyway, if someone wishes to debate this, whatever. Gotta go. -Chao9999 03:41, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

That was me, and the emeralds were not visible. To assume anything else is pure speculation. Super Sonic gave them the power to transform, and it couldn't have been made any clearer.GrandMasterGalvatron 13:08, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Grandmastergalvatron. The only thing that was carried over from Sonic X was Shadow taking off the rings on his arms in order to use his full power. If Silver (and Shadow) used the Chaos Emeralds, wouldn't you have seen the emeralds floating around them? It's pretty clear that Sonic gave them his energy and they used that to transform. Oh and Chao, Shadow and Sonic both used the Chaos Emeralds at the same time in SA2. (Y'know, the Emeralds were floating around both of them and they transformed at the same time. It wasn't Sonic first, then he gave his energy to Shad. They did it at the same time.) Aguni Dragon-OX 21:20, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

The emeralds floated around them in Sonic Heroes. Also, Shadow put a chaos emerald in his spines at one point. To assume that they used the excess power is further speculation, as the emeralds have been used many more times, That, along with the fact that Shadow doesn't look any different from his super form, makes it much more likely that they used the emeralds. It's almost pure speculation to say they used the excess power, besides, case in point, Shadow the Hedgehog. I didn't see any emeralds, and yet he fired the fully powered eclipse canon. My point, is that you can't say that they used the excess power from Sonic just because you couldn't see the emeralds. And, regarding my note on SA2, I KNOW they used the emeralds, I'm just saying that the logic behind you claims could point to that. Judging from Sonic Heroes and Shadow, it's much more likely that they used excess power. Even when the emeralds WERE apparent, Knuckles and Tails just got some shields. In the latest game, you couldn't see the emeralds, and yet, not only did Shadow and Silver transform into their super forms, they didn't have shields. Coupled with the fact that the emeralds don't need to be SEEN to be there (evidenced by EVERY TIME THEY TRANSFORM), your claims seem extremely like unfounded speculation. There's just nothing to actually support them using the excess power. -Chao9999 02:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok...let's do this point by point. First off, We don't know that the eclipse cannon was fully powered, or even that Shadow fired it. I was under the impression it auto fired. Second, there's no evidence to support that the emeralds were in Sonic quills. Actually...since when are they EVER in his quills? The emeralds become fully absorbed into his being last I recall. This is really plain as day. Sonic was in Super Form for a good minute before he powered up Shadow and Silver. He walked over there, and gave them enough power to transform into their Super forms. As for appearance...well..that's what they're supposed to look like, just as Knuckles and Tails are supposed to have those auras (that's all they ever had anyway). The emeralds are always seen in every transformation EXCEPT THIS ONE. The Sonic X carry overs were blatantly obvious, and that's not one of them.GrandMasterGalvatron 13:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I smell MASS CHAOS coming up. Y'know Chao, this is just like that argument over Shadow's Speed that I started. We need to reach an agreement on this. Oh and Grandmastergalvatron, if you've ever played the older games, Super Knuckles and Super Tails didn't have just auras. Their colors changed and Tails (due to the Super Emeralds) had 4 golden Flickies around him. And from what I've seen, it looks like Sonic gave his power to Shad and Silver. Remember, Elise used the Chaos Emeralds to revive Sonic, so he went Super immediately when he was revived. And if he absorbs the Emeralds when he goes super, then Sonic in order to take down Solaris in all three time zones, would need help from Shad and Silver. Thus, like in Sonic Heroes, he gives his energy to the two and they go super. Aguni Dragon-OX 21:20, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok...so maybe I goofed about Knuckles and Tails changing colors when they turn super (I always thought Knuckles turned hot pick and Tails became as yellow as his modern design is), but still, you get the point. Super Sonic gave his energy to Shad and Silver. Period. Aguni Dragon-OX 22:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Uh, if they were absorbed by Sonic, there'd be no emeralds. Also, since Shadow was ON THE ARK, and not super, I'd say it's a pretty fair bet to say he fired it. Besides, what would be the POINT of letting it use Chaos Emeralds if it didn't need them to blow up the canon? Anywho, in the game, Sonic can put the emeralds in his quills (play the WHOLE game), and that's not the only Sonic X thing, such as Shadow and the rings. Just because you can't SEE the emeralds, you're speculating that he gave Silver and Shadow his power? That doesn't make ANY sense. The appearance of Super Shadow/Silver, combined with the fact that the shared power thing only happened in Heroes, should be more than enough evidence that they probably used the emeralds. Tails and Knuckles didn't go super, and yet the emeralds circled them, so when they DON'T circle the hedgehogs, why does that automaticly mean they got the excess power from Sonic? That's like saying Sonic used Perfect Chaos' power! You can't say that they got the power from Sonic just because you didn't see the emeralds/they didn't circle them. There's just not enough evidence to support the excess power theory. Although, I guess there really isn't that much to support the emeralds theory, so I guess we should reach a compromise. I believe we should say something that implies the possibility of BOTH, and we say:

  • A. Using the power of the seven chaos emeralds...

or

  • B. Using the seven chaos emeralds, or the excess power of Super Sonic (this is debated)...

Both imply neutrality. I'd go with A, personally. We can't say that they used the excess due to it's being almost pure speculation, and we can't say they used the emeralds because the only things to support it is that it's used in every game but Heroes. I really see no reason for us to continue this debate, as neither side has any real way of winning, so I suggest we just go for either not mentioning it, or being neutral on it. Once again, I say A. -Chao9999 23:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

For the love of Primus where do I begin... :/
Ok...
  • 1. The chaos emeralds were used to bring Sonic back to life as Super Sonic.
  • 2. Super Sonic controls the power of the emeralds as they are absorbed into his being...or where ever they put those things. Super Sonic cannot let go of the emeralds and stay Super. This has been demonstrated plenty.
  • 3. After talking with Elise, Sonic walks over to the other two and shares his power with them.
  • 4. Due to this power, the other two are able to turn Super.
  • 5. They look the way they do because they are supposed to look that way. Just as Knuckles and Tails are supposed to have those spherical auras. Yes, Tails and Knuckles did go Super. They have all of the powers, flight, ring drain etc., and the slaggin filenames for the two say so. You CAN NOT have all of a Super Form's powers and abilities and not be one, that's just ridiculous!
  • 6. The only side that has no way of winning is yours Chao. You have NO concrete evidence that the Chaos Emeralds were involved in anything other than making Sonic himself Super. The sole fact that the emeralds did not reappear and circle around them should seal the deal. In fact, Sonic would have to power down in order for that to happen. The fact that Sonic stayed super while giving the other two power makes it concrete. As you can see, there is more than enough evidence to support the excess power idea than direct use of the Chaos Emeralds.

The bottom line simply is, Sonic has the power to grant other characters a Super Form. He has to this day done it twice.GrandMasterGalvatron 15:56, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

GMG, you're basing your "facts" on speculation. It wasn't STATED, nor specifically IMPLIED that you are "powered down" with the emeralds circling you, or whatever. Just because Knuckles and Tails did it, all of a sudden, it means that ANYONE who is even NEAR Super Sonic and goes super HAS to have gotten his excess power? If he joined hands with them, I'd say it's more to channel the power coming from the emeralds, as that's where HIS power is coming from. Heck, the emeralds didn't circle him in Sonic 3, or Sonic Adventure. And #5? What. The. Heck. Perfect Chaos, Final Hazard, Devil Doom, METAL OVERLORD. All of them had the powers of Super forms, and yet only Perfect Chaos had the power of the chaos emeralds. You've only supported your ideas with speculation.

  • FACT: You don't HAVE to see the emeralds for a character to go super.
  • FACT: Super Sonic's power comes from the chaos emeralds.

I WILL say that your "he can't let go or he'll power down" theory DOES make sense, as there isn't anything specifically DENYING that either, but it also helps my side. If he truly can't let go, then going over to them and joining hands would make sense. While both sides are supported by speculation, mine uses concepts that are used in all but ONE GAME (Heroes), and I've also got facts for it as well. But, as I said before, since neither of us have any conclusive info, we're pretty much stuck at 50/50, so once again, I vote we act neutral in the article, and go with sentence A from my previous post. -Chao9999 08:40, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to throw in another vote (heh) and say that Sonic clearly powered up Shadow and Silver. --Zikar 08:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

(indent break)Chao. What am I gonna do with you :P The only one without conclusive info is you. Observe. Powered down is simply not being Super or having extra powers. That's implied by Sonic being blue and not yellow. Anyone who goes Super next to Sonic doesn't have had to have gotten the power from him. Sonic Adventure 2 showed us that. Actually, the only ones that directly powered up from Sonic's power were Shadow and Silver. This couldn't have been made any clearer as Sonic walked over there and extended his arms to the both of them. Afterwards there was some visible energy that they were feeding off of (a giant circle of energy I might add). Believe it or not, the direct source of energy for Knuckles and Tails is actually debatable (heh). You could say that Sonic took some energy from the emeralds to transform himself and left the rest for the other two, or that Sonic burned off excess energy for them to transform. Most will probably stick with the latter since the two didn't look like the comic portrayals. Anywho, Perfect Chaos, Final Hazard, Devil Doom, and Metal Overlord did not have all of the powers of a Super form...they were not fast, they did not use rings, they were not "invincible" or anywhere near it. That was a bogus argument. As we are going nowhere, I'm going to invite others here for a consensus. GrandMasterGalvatron 13:59, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Here! Watch the scene again just to make sure! [1]GrandMasterGalvatron 14:03, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to have to say...Super Sonic transformed Shadow and Silver to their super forms...he's done it before with Tails and Knuckles albeit...they weren't super exactly...but I say it was Super Spill Over. -Sukecchi 16:02, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Now that I hear what you have to say, I think this is more and more of an understanding. I think that the only difference in between our sides is whether or not Sonic gave them his hands so that they could get the energy from the CHAOS EMERALDS, whilst you guys say that they got the "excess energy", which is pretty much the same thing, except it went through Sonic first. I believe the arguement is over, in technicalities, whether they got the energy from the Chaos Emeralds, or the used energy from Sonic. Thus, I think, since our arguement is over something so wierd and unprovable, and since our sides are pretty much the same, we say: "By harnessing the power of the chaos emeralds (this can be shared with two or possibly more people to have more than one super form present, and there are no reprocussions to multiple super forms), ____ can transform into Super ____..." This is what seems to be correct. In my opinion, Sonic didn't GIVE them the power, they drew it from the chaos emeralds (apparently) inside of him. Since the emeralds have unlimited energy, I'd say it's much better to say that than "excess power", since "excess power" implies that they won't be as powerful, and, I believe, technically untrue, or at least, IMO, drawing on the emeralds power by contact WITH Sonic, as opposed to directly drawing the power from him. I think we can all agree that one way or another, they are getting the energy of the Chaos Emeralds, through the burnt energy by Sonic, or from the Chaos Emeralds, so I suggest we say the latter, as that seems to be the most likely, at least IMO. Oh, and BTW I already saw the scene a million times, so no worries. Another BTW, GMG, we seem to always argue over a misunderstanding, first it's because my SA2 disc displays Super Shadow wrong, now we are fighting over something even though both sides are actually the same. Huh. -Chao9999 22:14, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Basically, yeah... Sonic had the Emeralds in his body, and then gave Shadow and Silver that power... the power ultimately comes from the Emeralds, although it's Sonic's "power" in that Sonic was currently in control of it... So yeah, guess this was all a misunderstanding... oh well... it makes Wiki's more accurate in the end I guess. :p --Zikar 01:03, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Wow, I was gone for a while and thought that this discussion was gonna become an all out flame war, but I guess I was wrong. I agree with Zikar and Chao, so can we put this unecessary argument behind us? DeathGodDragon EDGE 05:37, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Damn people! Where is your debating spirit?! Jeez...no one ever wants to have good ol' debates anymore XD. Anywho, I'm working on the combined Super article offline. (Merges all Super forms into one article and treats it as a feature.) There is an intro paragraph on how a Super form can be obtained. It will mention that it can be either directly or indirectly from the emeralds.GrandMasterGalvatron 05:52, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Why did you revert the edit I made regarding the Super Form? From the lack of posts on the issue, I thought we had reached an agreement. -Chao9999 08:57, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Jeez, Grandmastergalvatron! Calm down. Just because I agreed with Chao now doesn't mean I wasn't on your side. The entire beginning of this argument, I (ender the guise of Aguni Dragon-OX) backed you up. It's just that we came to an agreement and decided to stop arguing. Besides, in the end, this help Wiki become more accurate. DeathGodDragon EDGE 16:32, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I AM calm :P. If there was a lack of posts, it was because I was gone for a while. I think the only thing I reverted was the quill description. Must have got something else in the process. I'll go fix it.GrandMasterGalvatron 19:06, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Fixed. Looks like I did get that other sentence by mistake. My bad.GrandMasterGalvatron 19:11, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pics

Ok, havin' a pic of him from Rivals is ok, but do we really need 2? One is enough. DeathGodDragon EDGE 01:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't think we need them at all. Why have alternate costume images? We just need a better quality image of Silver in Rivals' gameplay. -Sukecchi 13:17, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Do we really need an image for his Rivals verison? There is no design diffrences other than an optional suit. -- Jelly Soup 13:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
This is true. -Sukecchi 13:58, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
His Rivals picture (an official one) is not in the article ATM so maybe we should keep (the Leather) one for now. Knuckles sonic8 16:01, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I'll take out the Lightning costume now. DeathGodDragon EDGE 16:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok...I just took out the Lightning pic, and someone put it back. Why? DeathGodDragon EDGE 16:52, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I put it back, but only because I felt that it was unencyclopedic to remove the picture. However, since nobody here seems to agree with me, I'm going to back down. --Luigifan 17:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, Luigifan, I already removed the pic. DeathGodDragon EDGE 18:57, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Theme Song Hyperlink

Shouldn't there be a hyperlink on the Theme Song? Not being offensive but it would be easier--SilverandBlazefn 03:34, 9 December 2006 (UTC)SilverandBlazefan

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