Talk:Sidney Crosby

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The article Troy Crosby was nominated for deletion. The debate was closed on 2006-09-21 with a consensus to merge the content into Sidney Crosby. If the merger is not completed promptly, Troy Crosby might be re-nominated for deletion.

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"He is best known for scoring a lacrosse-style goal that was first performed by the University of Michigan's Mike Legg in 1997 against University of Minnesota goalie Steve Debus." ...I dont think he is best know for that. He is best known for being one of the best young hockey players in a long time. I think don't think many people would even think of that play unless it was mentioned

I think categories like [[category:First round draft picks]] and [[category:Number one draft picks]] need to be more specific, before they are created.

A few things...

The word choice describing the 'Hot Dog' is awkward to the point where it doesn't really make sense. Also, the 4-0 score was prior to the lacrosse goal (Rimouski's 5th) - but it leads one to believe that 4-0 was the final score.

"He was criticized, most notably by famed hockey analyst Don Cherry, for doing a "Hot Dog", a lacrosse-style goal in which a player scoops the puck onto his stick and carries it flat on his stick before placing it in the net, in a 4-0 blowout game against a beaten Quebec team. "

The move itself is not called a Hot Dog. Don Cherry criticized him for being a Hot Dog (term used to describe a 'show off'). I suggest a revision along the lines of;

"He was criticized, most notably by famed hockey analyst Don Cherry, who accused him of showboating. Crosby used his stick to scoop the puck and carried it flat on his blade, lacrosse-style, before placing it in the net near the end of a 7-1 blowout game against the Quebec Remparts. Cherry called Crosby a "Hot Dog" and is often critical of showboating and scoring needless late goals with the intent of embarrassing the opposition. "

Also, there should be a better piece about the stolen jersey. It was stolen at a Montreal airport and eventually recovered and returned to Crosby.

Finally, Crosby's hometown is Cole Harbour, Nova Scotia - yet Cole Harbour is not mentioned at all in the article.

1 Crosby Fan Club
2 C'mon People
3 Criticism of Sidney Crosby being made Alternate Captain
4 Numerous diving attempts?
5 Fighting back tears
6 Birthplace
7 Nicknames
8 Hat Trick
9 Sources

[edit] Crosby Fan Club

This article is so incredibly pro-Crosby! I've gone through and tried to tone down the pro-Crosby POV (which is hard, given that this guy is amazing). For example, most analysts believe he will not make the Olympic team, given Canada's insane depth, and I've also rephrased the "next one" paragraph.--Scïmïłar ^parley 16:45, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] C'mon People

C'mon People, do we really need to document everytime this guy has a good game? Not only does this make this article completely weighted to the recent events of Crosby, but it also is an example of why Wikipedia is unable to be a credited source. Why don't we stop with this constant Crosby attention, and focus on other hockey aspects of Wikipedia. How about improving the Tony Twist article? Hmmm..? Anybody? Why do I hear nothing but silence? Croat Canuck 05:32, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Ditto, do we really need to know he scored a shootour winner versus the Habs? Or the winning goal after being clipped in the face? --FrankCostanza 20:37, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Or do we really need to know he had an 85% average in grade 11? How does anyone even know that? I'd like to add Crosby was given an 'A' by Michel Therien, but this needs major fixing before even minor additions. Bigdottawa 18:53, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

I decided to be WP:BOLD and removed a lot of the game-by-game commentary. I left in the trivia for now, but that needs to be fixed too. --D e ath phoenix 17:53, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism of Sidney Crosby being made Alternate Captain

I've restored the comment that an anon removed here. I don't know what it's like in Pittsburgh, but there's been a fair bit of criticism of his being made an Alternate Captain. Please let me know if you agree or not with this statement. --D e ath phoenix 04:48, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree with you, there has been some criticism regarding it, the most notable I've heard is Don Cherry criticizing it. Croat Canuck 05:45, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Don't really agree since nothing Don Cherry says is worth noting anywhere. :) Bigdottawa 13:26, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

I take it your a Sens fan, how can you say that about Cherry? He threw you guys a bone with his pre-season predictions. Spezza for Art Ross, they'll win the Cup etc... I agree he does make some bad comments, but he also makes some bang-on ones as well. Croat Canuck 21:04, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Has nothing do to with being a Sens fan. Don Cherry is just a dinosaur, and has had very little say for the past 5 years. He's the only one I know who voiced any sort of criticism about Crosby getting the A. He's already voiced strong opinions against things Crosby has done, so he shouldn't be taken very seriously on this either. Bigdottawa 06:34, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

On Don Cherry, I'd agree. He's had nothing but criticism for Crosby and this apparently dates back to his (Crosby's) hot-dogging after a lacrosse goal (?), so any criticism he offers can be taken with a grain of salt. However, I've heard/seen a few other personalities criticise the appointment of Crosby, maybe not with the national exposure that Cherry has, but they're certainly enough to make it notable. --D e ath phoenix 06:41, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

I haven't heard any criticism of the appointment and I live right outside of Pittsburgh.

Maybe I should explain my comment. I mean I don't know what the criticism is like in Pittsburgh, but up here in Toronto (and, thanks to TV and the Internet, Canada in general), I've heard a fair bit of criticism. From your statement, I guess it's clear that they're not critical of this appointment in Pittsburgh. :-) --D e ath phoenix 16:29, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Numerous diving attempts?

He's only been penalized for diving once. Saying 'numerous diving attempts' is very debatable, while many agree that he dives, many disagree.

I got rid of some of the details here. --D e ath phoenix 01:19, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fighting back tears

I feel the comment directed towards him fighting back tears has no bearing on this article. A lot of younger people come to this page for inspiration, and if shown you are liable to be "made fun of" for crying, then this article has not fully succeeded. Also, if left, somthing to the extent of explaining sentimental values of things like that may be in order, possibly in an a linked area.

First, I don't really know if him fighting back tears is true (I never saw the actual broadcast). However, I'd like to point out that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. It is not a place to get inspiration, and there is no such thing as "succeeding" in doing anything but provide an encyclopedia. If people are coming to this article to get inspired, they are coming to the wrong place and should go elsewhere. That being said, your opinion of article content is certainly a valid one and can be acted upon, or you may edit the article yourself. I just want to point out that the purpose of this article is not to provide inspiration to a lot of younger people: it is to provide information about Sidney Crosby. That's it. --D e athphoenix ʕ 17:20, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

I previously edited this part of the article, but on second glace, decided it may be beneficial for me to re word it.

"The jersey of a high calibre event can be considered sentimental, and Crosby was reported as being highly emotional. This can be related to numerous events, and is commonly understood as a piece of his hockey history." --User:Sod aries--

[edit] Birthplace

There seems to be a conflict regarding his birthplace. The official NHL and NHLPA websites don't even say the same place. NorthernThunder 07:42, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Crosby's official website lists his birthplace as "Halifax". As a Google Local search shows no (human) hospitals in Cole Harbour and several in the Dartmouth section of Halifax, it seems likely that he wasn't born in Cole Harbour. Geoffspear 20:05, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

he was born in cole harbour/darmouth. i would know he lives on my street ahah DarkstalkerM

[edit] Nicknames

Since when was he called 'Darryl'? That seems odd, and I'm going to remove it unless someone has evidence of his being named that. Kaiser matias 05:24, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Since his first exhibition game in junior hockey. It's mentioned in the actual text (which you didn't change), with a footnote pointing to an article in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, a reliable source. It seems odd that you'd choose to remove one of the very few things in this article that has any sourcing whatsoever; you'd be far more justified to delete the rest of the article and leave that there. Geoffrey Spear 12:56, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

As can be seen in numerous photos, the name "DARRYL" has been stitched into the cuff of his gloves while playing for both Rimouski (QMJHL) and Pittsburgh (NHL).

The nickname "Darryl" was given to Crosby by Mark Tobin, a former Rimouski teammate. The nickname refers to Darryl Sittler, who had a 10 point game (6 goals, 4 assists)back in 1976.

maybe it should be added to the trivia page so people know why. just a thought

[edit] Hat Trick

I believe that Crosby has gotten his first career Hat Trick in the NHL. Scored his third of the game in the first 8 minutes of the second period. Do I hear an encore?