Talk:Shkodër

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In the article "Montenegro" they say that in 1913, the city was liberated from Turkish power. Is that true? Andres 17:22, 22 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I think the Turks left (or were forced to leave) at that time and the Montenegrins occupied it briefly (a month or two). Dori 17:38, Nov 22, 2003 (UTC)

What about the 10 000 men they lost fighting against Esad-Pasha's troopa (as states the article "History of Montenegro")?. Does it mean that they lost them fighting against the inhabitants of the city (as this article states)? And were Esad-Pasha's troops Turkish troops or troops of the local inhabitants? Was Esad-Pasha Albanian? Were they forced to leave by the decision of the Great Powers? Andres

I don't know about the 10,000 men. You might want to ask at the History of Montenegro talk page. According to Essad Pasha: "Born in Tirana, Albania, he was a supporter of the Young Turks, serving as deputy for Albania in the Ottoman parliament. During the 1913 Balkan War, he was commander of the Ottoman forces at Shkodër, until he was forced to surrender to Montenegro in 1913." I don't really know if he commanded only Turks or also Albanians. I might research this if you want. I believe the Montenegrins might have been forced to leave by the Great Powers, but again I am not sure. Dori 15:19, Nov 23, 2003 (UTC)

Thank you. If it is interestting to yourself, then please do some research. Anyway, I'll try do it later. And anyway, I think in this article that episode should be elucidated in far more detail (maybe even a special article is needed), or else it remains quite unclear. It is especially hard to understand because of the disputes around it. Andres 17:51, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Contents 1 Alternative names 1.1 Dubious edit 2 For the etymology 3 I've reverted

[edit] Alternative names

Right now alternative names are listed in the infobox, but it does not say in what language each name is used. This older version does include such information. Does anyone mind if I add "(Albanian: Shkodër or Shkodra, Latin Scutari, German Skutari, Serbian Skadar)" to the intro? Olessi 21:39, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

I have added the language links into the infobox. Olessi 22:22, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

The Turkish name "İskenderiyesi" presumably derives from Iskander (Alexander). "İskenderiye" is the Turkish name of Alexandria. Might be worth a mention, since this etymology is apparently distinct from the others. - Jmabel | Talk 01:13, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dubious edit

Looks to me like the section on etymology has now been greatly changed, perhaps simply mangled, given the lack of citation. I have no relevant expertise, but this edit looks very dubious to me. Would someone who konws the topic better please weigh in? - Jmabel | Talk 00:16, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] For the etymology

Sorry but the etymology of the word given by some Serbs here does not make sense. Shkoder was a city for over 600 years by the time Constantine the Great came around and was never listed as a Latin settlement in the region but rather as a native original settlement preceeding Roman conquest. It was listed by that name far before Roman rule so it would be difficult to make the name derive from the latin shield of the Scutum, which was adopted by the Romans far before the conquest of Illyria and derived from Celts. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.237.25.134 (talk • contribs) 25 April 2006.

[edit] I've reverted

...Tonycdp's edits. I have previously rv the edits which partially broke the article and brought-in inconsistencies, but Tonycdp rv back to that version; thus, I am rv again. He also conducted vandalism as per WP:V. --PaxEquilibrium 22:46, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Tonycdp repeated... --PaxEquilibrium 09:56, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Why are you insisting on starting a RV war. Montenigrin language exists [1]. Those people have had more to do with the city than Serbs. Tonycdp 10:11, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Please just look at your edit before you enforce it. I didn't start an edit war, but you did; enforcing an annon's broken version. The Serbian language is official in Montenegro and the majority speak it. The Montenegrin language is a minority language. Should we add then "Croatian language"? It's also a minority language in Montenegro. Also, before you claim who had more relations to what, read the history first. That version also added an unnecessary spacing at the beginning, removed the link to the Hungarian wikipedia and rm the Serbian language from the intro. Also, that version contains a rather ridiculous POV on a so-called Albanian family "Balsha". The Dukagjins never held control over Skadar, either. Please do not enforce this broken version. Thank you. --PaxEquilibrium 10:37, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok I have added Croatian too, well Serbo-Croatian. The history section seems seriously flawed, and I will do some research to establsh the history of the city. You keep removing the bit about Balshas which (by you being a serb historian) sets the alarm bells ringing immediately. If you strongly disagree put a ^{[citation needed]} tag until someone appears with the counter argument instead of forcing your highly politicised version of Balkan History.Tonycdp 21:46, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I was joking! There is no necessity to put Croatian (just as no to put Serbo-Croatian - or Montenegrin). All this is creating an image that you simply don't like the Serbian language. I have also noticed, while observing your edits, that you again removed the Serbian language from the intro and yet again (although I warned you repeatedly) added the little spacing error at the beginning (the names part). I looked through the history, and I noticed that you appeared when I rv the annon's bad edits - so you must've followed me here and rv not because of the article, but because I reverted it, even called removal of errorous and bad faith editing - POV. You were also removing the Hungarian wikilink - which further prooves that you only didn't like the user who made the rv, and not the edit (for you would've most certainly read to what you reverted, which you obviously didn't). I also compared the time of your revert and the time of your post here - and the revert predecesses it. I looked at the talk page - and it was empty. This further questions your good will here.

Actually, I just saw your edits elswhere: incivility here; then removal of personal attack warnings here and here. I noted that you got involved in an Arbitration, and even got banned from Kosovo-related articles by the ArbCom. Then you came as an annon calling himself "Steven" and here calling yourself "Coca Cola" to bratantly support your political views on Kosovo. You made personal attacks here, here, here and here in Spanish, hoping possibly that we won't be able to read. I just noticed that you are that annon which added these weird edits and said in the summary that Serbs have nothing to do with Shkoder in any way - did you even read the History section? It was a centre of Serbian culture for almost 1,000 and spiritually continued to be such (as can be seen how Montenegro and Serbia wanted to seize it in the Balkan turmoil).

And what do you mean by "me as a serb historian"...? --PaxEquilibrium 10:13, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

You're from Great Britain, huh? :) Your country did some terrible things too - have you thought a way to punish it (seccession of North Ireland)? --PaxEquilibrium 10:28, 3 October 2006 (UTC)