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Italic textshirley rules and i think thats "what Brittany rocks.." Shirley Temple said!everyone says. shes the best child star in the world she showed that kids can act so that probaly took alot of time.So thank you shirley.Shirley Temple should be honored as the the most famous child star of all time, not just the 1930s... She also carries one of the most famous, familiar names on Earth. Simply stating her to be the most famous child star of the 1930s is a serious understatement. It should be changed immediately.

I read somewhere that Shirley Temple had a fetish for surgery. Does anyone have any proof of this?

Here is a Shirley site you might like to look at: Shirley Temple: Little Star http://littlestar.bravepages.com

Why don't we have a picture of her as a child, if that is how she is remembered?

Finding copyright-free pictures is difficult. RickK 07:00, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Anyone want to mention how SNL and the Simpsons both made fun of her?

  • Why? Is there anything that SNL and the Simpsons haven't both made fun of? -- Nunh-huh 07:13, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)

What about the mixed nonalcoholic drink named after her? --Onlyemarie 22:21, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It says she is currently dating OJ simpson???? Can someone delete?

[edit] What is with the giant list of movies?

The list of movies is huge. Let's pare it down to something representative. There has to be ten that are the most famous. The rest are red (no page), just getting in the way, and there are plently of other web sites with the full filmography, including IMDB. I will wait two days for objections.

On second thought: I am doing it now. There are twelve movies that are blue (they have pages). The rest go.

Why not spin it off into a seperate article -- Shirley Temple Filmography? John Barleycorn`
Great idea. I will do that. Thank you. Amorrow 16:20, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Look at that NNDB entry!

Now, THAT is what I call judgment! Look at that photo they use as NNDB! It is NOT the little girl. It the later teenager! See how they subtly acknowledge that the woman had a life after she got married? Great call! I congratulate them.

For IMDB to have the photo of the little girl works also, because IMDB is only about her movies. That works also.

You walk down the street and hit someone with the name "Shirley Temple". We already know the reaction, or the "vote" if you will, is going to be. Why bother even asking? The biographer is suppose to look beyond that.

Now, there are lessons in this little episode. Do we go and apply them to Stepin Fetchit or do we not? Antaeus? What do you think? Quill? Raul? Noitall? (You must have some more to say). And, of course, Mr. Kaufman? Come on, wake up! Wake up! What will it be? Amorrow 17:45, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] A fine point about references...

I find that one of the things that makes Wikipedia is that the references can be so brief. Unless there is a special relationship between this page and the page point to, you need only minimal explanation. The reader can just drill down if they want extra details. The reference is otherwise fine, but in other cases I run into, I see sometimes that writers try to insinuate something about the thing referred to because they do not have the guts to put it on the other page and to then duke it out with the people who have that other page on their watchlists. It is not that the minimal reference completely solves that problem, but it helps to avoid it. That is why I made the reference to the drink minimal, but the expanded reference is fine as it is now.

In an earlier version (which, BTW, I know I make too many of), I took out the "most famous" thing out becuase I thought I read that you are supposed to avoid that kind of thing. No biggie. I will conceed the point because, I think that most people wold agree and again, it is fine point of style in this case.

And Antaeus, thanks for cleaning up the extra word "image" in the Stepin Fetchit page. That certainly improved on how I had left it. Amorrow 16:19, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] A point of style

Now look at how I did the reference to the breast cancer thing. I could have just come out and written she had breast cancer. What did I do instead? I made a reference to her being on the cover of People magazine again later that year with some other very fine women. That is what a lady would want. It is elegant. It is honorific. It gives additional information in a compact form and tells the reader how to get even MORE information, if they wish. It is completely legitimate technique, without NPOV problems, and yet it still allows the author to demonstrate his good breeding and do Mrs. Black a tiny, little favor. The nice gesture is simply "tastefully done". Amorrow 16:00, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The passing of Mr. Black

I called my local KR newsdesk and they confirmed Mr. Black's death. Knight Ridder Community Newspapers Inc. (650) 327-9090 http://www.paloaltodailynews.com/

[edit] What was Mr. Black?

Kaufman: I am going to let your deletion about the religious stuff stand, but the situation is complicated. Now I know that Mr. Black was a Ivy-league educated junior executive. I gotta do some more reading about this. I mentioned the explaination about the religious stuff because I anticipated that the reader would assume that there was something wrong because of his not seeing any of ST's films. The guy just passed away and hopefully some decent info will come out in some obits that will allow us to write a page on him. The whole way that Andrea Dworkin's death was handled at Wikipedia was so messy. Let's try to do this one more nicely. We need that ten-word summary of what he was: marine research entrepaneur is close, but we need better.

BTW: My citation on the religious stuff (I assume it is true):

http://www.adherents.com/people/pt/Shirley_Temple.html

"Later Shirley Temple met Charlie Black, a man who had been raised in a boarding school with extremely restrictive practices limiting exposure to films and even radio. Charlie was completely unaware of her fame and had never seen any of her movies."

As far as I am concerned, this is journlistic standards applied to an on-line encyclopedia. Together, we will figure out the right thing to do. Amorrow 05:35, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] A fine point: News and niceness

Yes, I de-wikified the Bobby-Soxer link. I want the page to be nice and complete if people look at it next week because of Mr. Black's passing. The red link bothers me. Can anyone put out a quick review of that film? I have already done something (not very good yet) for her first husband. Amorrow 05:42, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Justification for recent changes

I changed the intro. The long list of movie is uninteresting. IMDb has that. Why did I do it. It was practically an involutary act.

1. I listen to KQED in San Francisco. Every Sunday, they have City Arts & Lectures. http://www.cityarts.net/ Every Sunday, I hear Linda Hunt say: Great artists ... blah blah blah .. "often discussing the creating process." THAT is what people want to know. THAT is what Mrs. Black wants people to know. How did she DO THAT? How the heck did get get all those movies made??? She has a great memory and she has talent.

2. I sat through "The Little Princess" with my daughter at least a half dozen time, and I loved it because I got to spend time with her and she liked it. At the end of the video, they summarize Temple's work style. She could memorize entire scripts. Steel trap memory. She could learn all the dance steps (citation: "Codfish Ball"). She could cry on cue, but the rest time... if was as if she was on happy pills all the time.

That is why I made the changes. In light of the recent events, it also reads well.

Now, I feel that I have described part of MY creative process.

[edit] Sources

Since people have a "thing" about all those links, I am going to start a new practice here at Wikipedia. I will cite my sources (shock, shock).

OK, some of the source suck on the page, like that last Reagan link: That massive document for just one line. But some of those things are better cites about STB than Wikipedia will EVER be. I was just trying to dredge up some info on Mr. Black. I heard that there was an obit in

Now I guesss I will have to scrounge for a copy of the rag (it is actually a nice paper, I just like rough humor a lot).

[edit] I am laughing

I am sure that we all enjoy the obvious insinuation that STB drinks a lot of ST cocktails of all varieties. I am laughing at the newly-widowed person, boys. Ya happy now? Amorrow 00:57, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

If any sane person thinks that observing the perfect true fact that several cocktails including probably the most famous non-alcoholic cocktail contains an "obvious insinuation" that the person they were named for drinks a lot of cocktails, please do speak up. -- Antaeus Feldspar 22:33, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
Look dear: SHE JUST LOST HER HUSBAND OF 55 YEARS. If she tried to handle it by going on a bender for three months, I would not blame at all. 'nuff said. Amorrow 01:24, 10 August 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Obituary on Mr. Black

The Palo Alto Daily News (the Friday edition, i.e. the August 5, 2005 edition FYI) says this:

Shirley Temple's spouse, C. Black, dead at 86

Charles Black, a businessman, maritime expert, and the husband of former child star Shirley Temple Black, died yesterday of complication of a bone marrow disease, his wife said. He was 86.

Black died at his home in the San Francisco suburb of Woodside, with his wife off 55 years and other family members by his side. He had suffered from the bone disorder myelodysplastic syndrome for nearly three years.

The couple met in 1950 in Honolulu where Black had been working for a shipping company. They married that same year. "He was an intensley interesting and fascinating man to me," Mrs. Black, a former U.S. ambassador to Ghana, said by phone from her home yesterday night. "I fell in love with him at first sight. It sounds corny, but that's what happened. But I don't think he did with me."

Mrs. Black, 77, was 22, when she and her husband met.

After moving to California, Black started a fishing and hatchery company and worked as a consultant on maritime issues. He served on a U.S. Commerce Department advisory committee as well as various National Research Council panels. He also co-founded a Massachusetts-based company that developed unmanned deep ocean search and survey imaging systems.

Born in 1919, Black earned a master's degree in business from Stanford University and served as a naval intelligence officer in the Pacific theater during World War II, earning the Silver Star and other honors. He also served as a regent for Santa Clara University and helped established a charity that helps youth.

[edit] The famous Shirley Temple dress seen in Teen Titans

A Shirley Temple-style dress appeared in an episode of Teen Titans. Raven's cloak was transformed into the dress by Mother Mae-Eye. --User:Angie Y.

[edit] Could someone elaborate on this?

From the second paragraph of the Film career section: "Many of these films are dated and would be considered offensive now." Why? --Fritz Saalfeld (Talk) 17:59, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

It is because the black dancers she worked with had to take on clownish, smiling Sambo-like roles. On the other hand, the target audience of seven-year-old girls are unlikely to go out and join the KKK because they watched a S.T. video. The comment is out-of-place. It is, at best, speculation. -- Pinktulip 11:27, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Actually, the comment referred to the Baby Burlesks, not the later roles. If you watch these short films, they depict small children in very adult situations--in one film Temple (who was about four at the time) plays a prostitute; in another she's tied to a stake and pelted with mud. A lot of reviewers, including Temple herself in Child Star, note the controversial nature of these films. Mademoiselle Sabina 08:46, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] lists...

I have a thing about lists: I do not think that they belong in brilliant prose. A long list of wikilinked costars is information, but the value of all that detail is low. Just characterize her has have worked with "many of the most famous" stars and let it go at that. -- Pinktulip 11:29, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shirley Temple Video clips

Folks,

I cannot post the video clips of Shirley Temple below because my family owns evtv1.com and there is a :15 commercial in front of the clips. I have spoken with several long-time editors and they suggested I post the appropriate video clips on the article's talk pages for the editors to see if they wish to post them in external links.

All of these clips are 100% legal from a copyright status. You have to decide if the :15 commercial is too obtrusive or if the clips are worth the "pain" of the commercial. I leave it up to you. -Jaffer

Shirley Temple Dancing With Bojangles http://www.evtv1.com/index.asp-itemnum-226

Shirley Temple War Babies http://www.evtv1.com/index.asp-itemnum-223

Shirley Temple’s 6th Birthday http://www.evtv1.com/index.asp-itemnum-225

Unsigned post by User:Jaffer 19 Jan 2006

[edit] Keep the film career stuff in its section

Mrs. Black has been trying for about five decades now to get beyond the little girl everyone else is in love with. Keep the post-film-career section about her non-film activities only. It is not like she sat around and watched TV or her own movies for five decades. -- Pinktulip 12:54, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Legend Films

I added the bit about the colorized re-releases. (Ibaranoff24 05:01, 19 March 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Delta Theta Tau

I am dubious of the honorary alumnae of Delta Theta Tau claim. I've done a google search for '"Shirley Temple" "Delta Theta Tau"' and come back with 2 wiki links, 1 greek101 link (where you can contribute your own information), 1 University of North Florida page of notable greeks, and a library link. And absolutely no google hits for shirley black "delta theta tau." It may be that it is an established fact but I cannot find it anywhere else other than those pages. I think if citation can't be provided then the information needs to be removed. Thanks. --ImmortalGoddezz 05:03, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I took down the sorority fact since this is a biography and as the tag states unsourced or poorly sourced items shouldn't be left up there. If anybody has a source for that please feel free to add it again! --ImmortalGoddezz 21:01, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Use Of Her Name For Beverage

I can believe that she didn't like any of the "Shirley Temple" variations because they were too sweet, but did she really say that one of the reasons she objected to "Shirley Temple" cocktails is because she doesn't get compensation for the use of her name? I would have thought that a celebrity who has gained such notoriety that he/she was honored with a namesake beverage would be a bit more gracious. -Grammaticus Repairo 02:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More info

I go to wikipedia for all of my history information. I went to look up Shirley Temple, my favorite childhood actress, and I didn't find much. I just thought I would leave this comment because I feel there is so much more information that you could have in your encyclopedia. Thank you for listening.

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