Talk:Shin Corporation

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  • Kudos to 61.91.73.248 and Nrad6949 for taking the initiative to expand this stub into a full article. -Tettyan 15:54, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
  • I'm thinking of suggesting that most of the detailed descriptions about Shin's listed subsidiaries (such as Advanced Info Service and Shin Satellite be moved to their respective article entries. Right now, those entries are still stubs, while this article is starting to look a bit cluttered. What do you all think? Please discuss. Tettyan 03:43, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Biggest conglomerate?

Just to be sure, should we mention that Shin Corp is the biggest conglomerate in Thailand? I was reluctant to include this at first, because of the different ways of measuring what is "biggest". Can anybody come up with what the largest Thai companies are by different measures (market capitalization, revenues, etc)? -Tettyan 02:15, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] By Market Cap., by Registered Capital, by invested companies or by sectors/industries?

Actually there are a lot of discussion that when we talk about how big of company what we have to look for?

If you catagorized by numbers of Market Capital, Shin Corporation is the biggest (by including subsidaries that listed on Stock Exchange of Thailand, Market Capital is 450,135.05 Million Baht, Siam Cement Group is 288,000.00 Million Baht).

If you catagorized by numbers of registered capital, Charloen Pokaphand Foods is the biggest size (8,206.664 Million Baht) while Shin Corporation registered size is 5,000 Million Baht.

If you catagorized by numbers of invested companies, Siam Cement Group is the biggest.

If you catagorized by numbers of sectors/industries, Shin Corporation is the biggest.

So which numbers we should use to decide which one is the biggest? Some guru suggest that the best indicator how big of company is market cap. any opinions?

P.S. If you use market capital number, you must include subsidaries market capital but for associated companies is exclude. Unfortunately, Siam Cement Group subsidaries market cap. is undisclosure to public.

  • Thanks Nrad6949 for looking up the figures. I understand that market cap is a common measure for company size as well - maybe we should stick with that and make a note in parantheses that the company is Thailand's largest by that measure. Maybe a footnote should be included to explain the situation with Siam Cement. What does everyone here think? -Tettyan 08:48, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
    • I don't think is going to work out. We're trying to claim that Shin Corporation is the largest conglomerate in Thailand. But we're comparing the sum of the listed Shin Corporation companies with CPF, which is but one listed company in the larger CP conglomerate. The problem is, there are lots (hundreds, if not thousands) of companies in the CP conglomerate that are not listed in the stock market, and thus, have no easily benchmarked mcap. The same is true for Central Group - each of the departments stores is a seperately listed company, with a very complex cross-shareholding structure. Don't even bother using sales - you'll run into the same of mess of spagetti. The ownership structure of the Siam Cement Group is a bit more clear, but even that group has its own issues. In conclusion, lets just say "is one of the largest conglomerates in Thailand."Patiwat 21:56, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
      • I'm going to go back to my original position on this matter and concur with Patiwat. Just to be safe. Tettyan 02:27, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] clean-up

Since this article has been tagged, I decided to go ahead to follow my suggestion and move the information on subsidiaries of AIS and Shin Satellite to their main articles. Now this entry looks less cluttered. Anyone have any further suggestions on what needs to be done before the clean-up tag should be removed? -Tettyan 14:39, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

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