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[edit] Welcome and India related links

Hello Shez 15, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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Please use edit summaries and Show Preview button more often. Welcome!! --Gurubrahma 10:46, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Civility and Wikipedia etiquette

Hi, a few editors have brought some of your edits to my attention as potentially inappropriate for Wikipedia. After looking at them here and here primarily, I must agree that these comments that are very inappropriate. Let me explain why.

Wikipedia has very strong policies about being civil to other contributors, and particularly in not making personal attacks on other contributors. Telling Zora "you're acting childish and i think it's because you're having heavy periods" is appallingly rude. Similarly, telling another editor that Zora "knows nothing" is also rude, and uncalled for. If I weren't sure that you are a relatively inexperienced user, and possibly unfamiliar with what is expected of Wikipedia editors, I would likely have blocked your account temporarily for these comments.

It's easy to say things that are inappropriate when you're in an editing conflict with another user. But I would urge you to think before you hit the save button. It's a good policy to simply not comment on other contributors; try to focus on commenting on article content only. Everybody gets into disagreements sooner or later here, that's the nature of this place. You don't have to necessarily agree with Zora, or other users. You may not even really like them. But you must treat everyone with civility no matter how you feel about them. If you don't, you will find yourself in trouble.

Also, I feel as if another of your comments needs a little bit of guidance. You said "I'm sure Zora can take care of other pages. In addition, it is not her interest. I dedicated myself to this page and should be the only one who should grant changes." This is a very misguided notion, but one that's fairly common among new editors. Noone owns any article on Wikipedia. Nobody, regardless of their level of involvement in an article, may "grant changes." Wikipedia has guidelines warning editors that noone owns any article, please take a look at them. And remember that every time you click the save button, there is a disclaimer at the bottom of the page that says If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it. So remember that nobody owns any article on Wikipedia, even if they wrote it from scratch. Wikipedia's a collaborative effort, and anyone is welcome to edit anything as long as their contributions are done in good faith.

Thanks. · Katefan0 (scribble)/poll 13:11, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comment on Blnguyen's talk page

Hi. I don't think I we have ever talked. I recently read a comment you posted on Blnguyen's talk page. Wikipedia is a free encylopedia. You cannot order anyone (as suggested from your tone) out of any page, just as they cannot order you. That power is wested only to the ArbCom WP:RfAr. It is a user's right to enter any page which he deems fit and make edits based on wikipedia policies. Making lots of enemies here just wont help you. Nichalp is one of the seniormost editors at wikipedia and is also a bureaucrat (which is a post reserved for the wisest and most respected admins). When he has blocked you for some reason it means that you must have done something wrong. Please try and relax for sometime. Try to stay away from Rani's page for some time and then you can come back to edit the page. There are lot's revert wars going on there, and sooner or later some higher authority will have to come into the picture. Hope you don't feel offended about my comments. I am just worried at the way things are going on just now. (PS - even though I am a fan of Rani, I don't think I will edit that page soon. So don't worry about that :) ) - Aksi_great (talk) 06:14, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I also read your apology yesterday on Zora's page. That is really a very nice way to go forward. - Aksi_great (talk) 06:18, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Veer-Zaara

We do not need the same bit of trivia added to every movie in which both Rani and Preity appeared. Pick one movie and add it there. It can't go on them all.

Also, you were actively trying to deceive other editors when you added that trivia, because you ALSO moved Rani up over Preity in the cast list again. You tried to hide what you did and hoped we wouldn't notice. That's not nice. Zora 22:52, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Awards

Anyone can give anyone an award. A lot of awards may mean that you're universally loved, or just that you have friends who like you (while everyone else hates you). Zora 23:11, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Breakout role

You seem to have decided that Saathiya was Rani's "breakout role". That seems to me to be personal opinion. She seems to me to have been fairly well known both before and after Saathiya. You keep making comments about songs, or roles, doing this or that to her "image" or her "career." Sometimes you cite some Bollywood journalism in support of such judgments, but we all know that so much Bollywood journalism is hype, fluff, and unreliable.

(Just the other day, I read the Rediff tribute to Naushad and realized that the biography had been copied straight from the Upperstall biography. I told them that, and the bio disappeared from the Rediff page.)

We need to stay away from those sort of judgements, especially when the movie, and the moment, are only a few years old. When you look back on something from a twenty-year distance, it's easier to say what was the moment when someone's career "turned". When you're talking about something that just happened a couple of years ago, you're much more likely to mistake a momentary blip for something momentous.

Film magazine journalism is not a good model for our cinema articles! I hope we're better than that. Zora 01:15, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rani Mukerji

OK, Shez. I've cut a lot of the article out. It has still got the sub-headings, but i removed breakout role because i assume that Ghulam and Kuch Kuch Hota Hai were her breakout role. I would say Saathiya was a turning point in her career rather then a breakout role. Also i removed the Filmfare Power List fact because that is more journalistic info also it is already mentioned in the article you created about the Top Ten Actresses. Tell me what you think and HOPEFULLY you and Zora will be ok with it. Pa7 13:49, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I've also removed one website. If fans want websites they can go to google and search for them. It was a un-official website, i have kept the other website though. Pa7 17:48, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rani Mukerji in Snegithiye ???

Rani dit not act in the movie Snegithiye (2000) that was Sharbani Mukherji (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1166510/). I have removed Snegithiye from the movie list. (but somebody keeps putting it back... is that you?) Martin - www.Mukerji.info - 17 may 2006 20:39 (UTC)

[edit] Elaboration not a virtue

The introduction of an arbitrary break in the middle of Rani's career to make the article "more elaborate" is nonsensical. The career section is short enough not to need breaking up into sections.

That break doesn't make Rani any more important! Zora 00:34, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

Wow, Shez, thank you very much for the Barnstar! Don't know what to say, so thanks again. Best regards, --Plumcouch 10:53, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi Shez, thanks for the barnstar. That was very nice of you. Thanks again. Pa7 12:32, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rani Mukerji // Chalte Chalte // fansites

Hello, Shez, as for Chalte Chalte: I'll try to add something and pray it will not be removed. As for a fansite: Do you have a particular one in mind? And what new news are there I might have missed? BTW, not sure if that with the fansite is going to work, since it's generally disencouraged: Rani is really, really popular, if we add one fansite, all the others want to get listed too - and I don't want some bad ones to get listed for Rani's sake and for her page; she's such a great actress. --Plumcouch 22:38, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Hello, Shez, I raised the issue of linking fansites at the discussion page of the Indian Cinema Project. Maybe, if several editors have the same oppinion, one fanpage per article might be approriate. Why don't you contribute in the discussion there? Here's the link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Indian_cinema It's at the bottom. Best regards, --Plumcouch 23:52, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hum Tum kiss scene

Hallo, Shez, just noticed your Hum Tum changes. Doesn't Rani kiss Khan close-mouthed but still kiss him in the scene on the beach? Check this out: http://img130.exs.cx/img130/6301/RaniSaifKiss-HumTum.jpg It's on my DVD. Best regards, --Plumcouch 00:15, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chalte Chalte

Don't worry, when I come back this evening, I'll add Chalte Chalte. I don't have so much times in the mornings. Best regards, --Plumcouch 08:01, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blocking

Hi Shez, sorry for the late reply, as I was extremely busy. Wikipedia has clear rules as to when an admin can block a user. I can't and will not block you if you make good faith edits to the article. Yes, you may have a point about Zora, but you would have to make my job easier by providing me the diffs. Anyways, try speaking to Zora directly and asking her why your edit was reverted. If you don't get a satisfactory answer, please ping me. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 13:20, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chalte Chalte

Hey, Shez, finally got the time to add Chalte Chalte in the Rani Mukerji article. Let's see if it stays in. --Plumcouch 23:07, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rani Mukerji

You asked me once that why has Zinta got her Filmfare status and Rani has not. On that note i removed the Filmfare positioning on Zinta's article, yet it is still on Mukerji's article. Also i feel it is not worth mentioning since you already highlighted it in the Filmfare List of Top Ten Actresses page. Also fair enough you want to add info on her career post KKHH, but you also made an edit on Zinta's article on 5 April 2006 about Har Dil Jo Pyaar Karega and Chori Chori Chupke Chupke in which you stated that you were seperating facts from lies. So basically the two films are hits for Rani but not for Preity. I guess we need to find out if HDJPK and CCCC were hits or flops. Pa7 00:10, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Listing films in "career"

Shez, we give a list of her films in the filmography. There's no need to repeat the information in the text of the career section. Sure, point out which films are considered major successes -- but DON'T list films that flopped or only did so-so.

The film festival bit is not noteworthy. It really isn't. The Filmfare lists are made up by journalist hacks, they're pure ephemera, and they don't count.

It doesn't make Rani any bigger or more important if you root out ephemera and use them to "prove" that she's important. She is just an actress. She is not all that important in the wider scheme of things! Scientists, mathematicians, poets -- those are the people who are going to be remembered a hundred years from now, when Rani is dust and just a name that appears in old movie credits. Please chill out and get some perspective. Zora 23:29, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Biased? Me?

OK Shez, i really liked your idea of putting tv appearances that is why i put it in Zinta's page. Also just for the record it is not a crime to copy ideas and apply to another page, especially if this is an encyclopedia which allows anyone to edit. I have never been accused of being biased and i have not filled Zinta's page with fancruft. All im doing is adding references, adding a new film, removing stuff and re-writing stuff. That is not obssession, that's called improvement. Also you mentioned that other editors are copying the Rani format. Your probably right, but the actor's box on Rani's page is on Lindsay Lohan's page as well. Didn't someone mention to you to make the article more like Lohan's. There are also tv appearances on her page, a table for the filmography and blah blah blah. There is nothing wrong with applying ideas taken from somewhere else. Pa7 11:31, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

P.S- also i just read your discussion contribution on the wiki indian cinema project. The fact that i added tv appearances to Zinta's page does not make me baised, since i never removed it from Mukerji's page anyway. The only bits i removed for her page was the fancruft and the birthday fact. Thank you. Pa7 18:27, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chalte Chalte

First she had worked with Amir Khan very early on, so it was not her first movie with a Star. ( And the time she worked with Govinda he was pretty successful too). 2nd Amir claims Mangal Pandey is a hit, media and industry is divided, so a star or an actor thinking their movie is a hit is not the defining factor. Haphar 05:34, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Rani Mukerji

Firstly thanks for the award. Secondly this might make you angry but im going to delete some of the content on Mukerji's article. I have not got anything against her, she is one of my favourite actresses but keeping stuff such as "she has ruled at the box office for the past two years" is misleading and un-encyclopedic. The filmfare fact should be deleted because that is journalistic info. The accomplishments are very misleading because then people will assume she is the best thing in the world which is very unfair to the other actresses. I know they have that sort of stuff on Jennifer Lopez's page but I really don't care what she has accomplished and how great she is. We have to be precise and non-biased. The personal life section really needs reducing because that is all gossip and rumours. The stuff about her new home is good and that is the type of info that is acceptable. Please don't be angry with me, as part of wiki-india cinema project we all have to maintain the articles and keep them in good shape. Thanks. Pa7 17:05, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

You may think im being bossy but frankly i just do not agree with your ways in glorifying Rani. She may be your favourite actress but wiki has to be neutral!! It is not fair that Mukerji gets the filmfare fact whilst other actresses can't have it. Ashwariya was number 1 for 2003 in the list but you do not see that fact on her page. Also calling someone bossy is a personal act, and just as a reminder you have been blocked before for your behaviour. I don't want to get you blocked and im sure you do not want to get blocked either. Im also following wiki india cinema policy by removing fancruft and the filmfare fact is fancruft. Pa7 15:32, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
I have kept the power list fact but removed the fact the Filmfare magazine has named her the "best" actress for two years. Remember Filmfare magazine, Stardust and CineBlitz are all gossip magazines and there is nothing prestigious about them. Also the Filmfare List of Top Ten Actresses article that you created also states this. For people that are just reading about Bollywood, it would be misleading to say she was the best for two years. The magazine is not speaking in behalf of the people so there is no point in keeping it. I have left the power statement but I have a feeling someone might remove it eventually. Pa7 11:59, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of Hindi films

Hi. I just saw that a new user has created a new article on Hindi films. The list is very incomplete and needs to be sorted out aplhabetically. If possible, can you please start adding any Hindi films you can think of, we can sort out the order later. Im trying to get as many people to help out. BTW, I have to stress this, I don't think this means adding EVERY film that stars Rani Mukerji. Thank you. Pa7 18:54, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi again, sorry to bother you! I think we do not need the article because half of the Hindi films don't even have articles on them. We have the category Hindi-language films and that has all the films that have articles on them. Even if we do expand this list, the majority will be filled with reds! I talked to the user who created it but I need some opinions. Thanx. Pa7 19:14, 5 August 2006
Hey Shez, that was a bit mean of me. The list is about Hindi films so yeah do whatever. It makes sense to add all the movies possible. Sorry about that! Pa7 13:52, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RE:

I think we really do not need the list but since the user who created it has added most of the movies, i can't really complain. Anyway we'll see how it goes, it does need to be sorted out alphabetically. I have not seen KANK yet, im going tonight. From the reviews all six characters have given good performances. Will tell you what I think of it. Best regards. Pa7 10:34, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] KANK

Too much crying in the film! Rani kept on crying, Shahrukh kept on crying, EVERYBODY WAS CRYING! Performance wise I liked all of them. Rani Mukerji looked fantastic in the film, I loved her scenes with Abhishek. Preity was very realistic but SRK kept on crying, he's like a waterfall. Abhishek was wicked but I did not like the way they explained Rani's character. They did not really explain why she has no love for her husband, maybe I missed something. Anywayz, hope you get to see Rani. Pa7 17:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] RE:

I guess you have a point about the whole situation in KANK. As for the credit order, I think that the actors should be credited to their role. Main actor, main actress, supporting roles.... In Veer-Zaara Preity was the main actress, she is in the title role. I have got the DVD and I have seen the credit order, but I feel it is in-appropriate to have the supporting actress ahead of the main actress. Yes, I have seen Har Dil Jo Pyaar Karega. Rani is credited first but the main actress was Preity. Rani received a nomination in the supporting actress category for the film. Also another example is KANK. The credit order is Amitabh, Shahrukh, Abhishek, Rani, Preity and Kiron Kher. Do you think putting Abhishek ahead of Rani is appropriate especially when he is clearly the supporting actor. If that is the case then the credit order should be this way. I can understand why Johar put Amitabh first, that seems clear. You can not put someone like Shahrukh or Rani in front of Amitabh Bachchan. That's just insulting!! Anyway it looks like this issue will always arise when there is a film featuring Rani or Preity. They are both good actresses!! The credit order on KANK is according to imdb and I think everyone is ok with that. As for Veer-Zaara I feel the credit order should be SRK, Preity and Rani. What if they do a film together and Preity is credited before Rani, even though Rani is the main actress?? Will you be ok with the credit order because I would not... Pa7 12:35, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

NO SHEZ!! There is no favouritism on my part but I must say you have not been very fair to other actors such as crediting Rani before Saif in Hum Tum and more recently in Tara Rum Pum. Its not about favouritism its about who has the main roles. Zinta was the lead in Veer-Zaara. In Kya Kehna, the story is about Zinta, Im the one who credited her first and if you look at the credit history I also gave a reason. Maybe none of our opinions matter, but most of us believe that the person with the main roles should be credited first. As for Har Dil Jo Pyaar Karega, Preity was the heroine and Rani was in a coma for the first half of the film, so I don't really see how she would have difficulty in enacting a role where all she had to do was lie on a bed and keep her eyes open!! As for who's popular, I do not know who is more popular but saying Rani is more popular is just wrong. We do not know who is more popular, I mean Kajol and Madhuri Dixit were all popular in there time and both Preity and Rani are popular today. Unless a survey is held around the world to see who is popular, im afraid were still stuck with the fact that BOTH the actresses are popular. Pa7 12:34, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
P.S - Shez I just read your comment on the Veer-Zaara poster, but I just saw the images you added on Kabhi Alvida Naa Kehna. Why did you not use an image which also showed Zinta. I mean it had two images with Rani but you think it would have been fair to have an image which featured Zinta especially when she has a major role in the film. Ain't that being injust? Well I sorted that out when I uploaded a new version of the file you uploaded and featured an image that showed Preity with Shahrukh Khan. As for the Veer-Zaara poster, well I think that is the main poster and since there is already a screenshot featuring just Mukerji there is no point in having another poster which shows all three chracters. Pa7 12:55, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cast credits

Hello, Shez, your proposal as to credit stars according to the credits in the movie is a nice one, however, not every editor owns every movie and if one does, it would be approriate that another editor had to watch the movie too in order to verify the claims of the first one. For example, I don't own the Veer-Zaara-DVD and I don't have the time to rent it and I won't buy it. As not everyone has that much time, why don't we credit the cast like the rest of WP by using IMDb as source, since it is standard and allows newcomers to write articles with information just a click away. Best regards, --Plumcouch Talk2Me 10:03, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rani's pic in Stardust

I noticed that this pic [1] that you uploaded contains an invalid fair-use claim. It is not acceptable to use scans of magazine covers in the article of the person or persons depicted on the cover, unless used directly in connection with the publication of this image. I'm tagging it for deletion, but I just wanted to let you know in case you can replace it with a suitable image.Gamesmaster G-9 22:51, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, the administrators have already deleted it, so that means they agreed that it was a violation of fair use. Personally, I think we should avoid scaning magaine covers because of the possible copyright violations. As long as you cite the magazine article, you can just put some other pic in its place.Gamesmaster G-9 04:25, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IMDb

Hello, Shez,

doesn't matter, if IMDb credits Preity Zinta before or after Mukerji, Bachchan, a Khan or God knows who. It's a source easily found and accessable by everyone - and, outside the Indian Cinema Project, everyone uses it. Why not go with the standard? --Plumcouch Talk2Me 19:03, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Filmmakers lists

Problem is, not all filmaker`s lists on how cast is credited are available, especially when it comes to older movies. In those cases, IMDb is really useful. And I won't rely on you when it comes to verifying cast information considering your history. Best regards, --Plumcouch Talk2Me 22:35, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Leave? No

Frankly I have not agreed with some of your methods of editing. My edit history has shown that I have just tried to be fair to other actresses since some editors prefer one certain actress to another. Preity Zinta is not my favourite, its actually Madhuri Dixit. Favouritism is not really the point right now. As for me leaving the page alone, why should I? I like editing and I intend to carry on. I'd just like to say Zora and other editors were never ok with the page and they had not left it alone. This is not the Rani Mukerji encyclopedia, although for your sake that would be a good thing. Secondly I was never ok with the page, I hated it the way it was. Zora has changed the way the intro is, now hopefully you'll be ok with that. 18:27, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shahrukh Khan

"Shahrukh Khan is highest paid actor in Bollywood" is the link, it's not India. Please check links before adding content to Wikipedia. - AryaRajyaमहाराष्ट्र 03:10, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New messages

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[edit] Pointless

Well, I thought I'd better reply considering your lovely message you left on my talk page. What can I say except for this is stupid, pointless and pathetic. Im going to leave the Rani Mukerji article alone for now, but i'll probably revert the stuff tomorrow. Just telling you in advance. Since when was I IN CHARGE of the Mukerji and Zinta pages, that is a stupid assumption. You asked me what stuff to get rid of, I told you but I STILL HATED THE ARTICLE!! This is a free encyclopedia where anyone can edit. Nobody ownes the pages and I definently don't own them so don't accuse me of that. From your edit history, people will see that you have taken some ownership over the article, not me. Im doing what I can for the wiki india cinema project, but like I said what's the point in explaining to you. Oh yes, on the Har Dil Jo Pyaar Karega article you accused me of changing the credits around under an anonymonous IP address. I actually sign in and do my editing but then I can't say the same about you [2]. You left the message but you were recognised as some IP address: 70:71:234:81. Are you a suspected sock puppet?? Now I know what kind of a person you are, but then again we've all known for ages -- Pa7 21:55, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rani Mukherji Template

Created one. Could u add it to all her films . just add this Template:Films of X X. replace the X X with Rani Mukherji. I didn't put Rani Mukherji in that, otherwise the template would come in place of that.

Anyway see the template for yourself. Add the template to every film after the external links.


The Films of Rani Mukherjee
Raja Ki Aayegi Baraat • Ghulam • Kuch Kuch Hota Hai • Mehndi • Hello Brother • Badal • Hey Ram • Hadh Kar Di Aapne • Bichhoo • Har Dil Jo Pyar Karega • Kahin Pyaar Na Ho Jaaye • Chori Chori Chupke Chupke • Bas Itna Sa Khwaab Hai • Nayak • Pyaar Diwana Hota Hai • Mujhse Dosti Karoge! • Saathiya • Chalo Ishq Ladaaye • Chalte Chalte • Chori Chori • Calcutta Mail • LOC Kargil • Yuva • Hum Tum • Veer-Zaara • Black • Bunty Aur Babli • Paheli • The Rising • Kabhi Alvida Naa Kehna • Baabul • Saawariya • Tara Rum Pum

[edit] Rani template

Shez, please don't place the Rani templates. The Rani and Aamir templates are going to be put up for deletion, as they go against the film template guidelines. Templates for directors only. If we have links to the actors' articles, with filmographies, that's enough. Zora 06:12, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Shez, it has nothing to do with Rani, or with you. It's general WP policy. See the discussion at WP:INCINE. I've since found that the fad started with fans of various South Indian stars and that there are lots of those templates. I've removed all the Aamir templates, and started on Madhavan. Zora 06:12, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please be civil.

Hi, I noticed your edit summary at Rani Mukerji. Please be civil. Thank you. WP:CIVIL --Kjoonlee 06:48, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edits to other actor articles

Shez, it's good that you're editing other articles, but I had to revert most of what you did since: we're trying not to include casting rumors, we're trying to reference all trivia, we're not playing "cricket score" with awards totals, and we're not going to state that X is Y's best friend, or that X is Y's favorite actress. Even if that kind of thing is referenced (the trivia you added weren't), it's too mutable and messy to put in an encyclopedia. People change their mind about who and what they like all the time. Furthermore, they don't necessarily rank everything from best to worst. If you asked me what was my favorite food, or book, or movie, I couldn't tell you. There are many things I like a lot, a little, or not at all.

Do consider that these are living people, and that careless talk can HURT them. Zora 08:25, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blanking

Please don't be ignorant and delete facts just because you don't like Aishwarya Rai.


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[edit] Supposed rivalry with Preity

Shez, comments re Rani's feelings about another actress just do not belong in an encyclopedia. That's trivial. Now if the two actresses had a fistfight in a restaurant, or one of them shot the other, then their feelings about each other would be notable. In the absence of any such dramatic incidents, there's no need to speculate. Zora 01:45, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AfD on Filmfare's List of Top Ten Actresses

Shez, I'm putting this article up for deletion. One magazine's list of people it likes is utterly trivial -- but that's not what the article is about. You don't even give the lists. You've used the article to exalt Rani and put down other actresses. By linking that article to other actress articles, you're trying to use it to attack them. Zora 06:17, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Rani Mukerji

Hi Shez, no idea -- Lost(talk) 07:49, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Karan Johar

Hello, Shez, I know it's not the best of pictures, but it's public domain and Johar is a bit on it. It's one of the few pictures we cannot get sued for and this is what counts and WP is aiming for. If he comes to Frankfurt Book Fair the next year, I try to shoot a better one. ;) Best regards, --Plumcouch Talk2Me 23:30, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I didn't know it either, but apparantly, if copyright isn't correctly cited and the real owner stumbles over the picture, he can sue the website that was displaying it for copyright violation. Theoretically, at least - I don't know if it has happened, yet. *shrugs* Better save than sorry, right? Best regards, --Plumcouch Talk2Me 23:41, 29 October 2006 (UTC) PS. Yes, I did. I went to the Frankfurt Book Fair in Germany for work and Johar was there to promote KANK, so I took the opportunity and shot some pics. He was really nice, but he really didn't talk to much (and, as you can see, he didn't look up as he was busy with autographs).

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[edit] Notable roles

Notable roles is personal opinion. However, it would be possible to be OBJECTIVE if we had box office figures for all films in filmographies, and could then give a list of an actor/actress's top-grossing films. Top film? Top five? Award-winning films are covered in awards. Critical appreciation could be assessed, somewhat roughly, by having a section on critical reactions, and QUOTING reputable critics on performances in various films.

That would be a lot more work, but it would not be personal opinion or subjective impression. Zora 07:43, 2 November 2006 (UTC)


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[edit] Photos

Hello, I was writing an entry on Serbian Wikipedia about Urdu language. I am having hard time finding interesting pictures with everyday object that have Urdu script on them. If you would happen to have any magazines or daily newspapers or chocolate wrappers or CDs from Pakistan, with Urdu on them, could you take a photo of them and either post it on Wiki commons or take the photo and release rights into public domain? I would really appreciated it!

this is the link to Serbian Urdu page Urdu. It is in Serbian, so you may not understand it, but you can see photos I have there now.

Thank you again,

Svetlana Miljkovic 20:49, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rani Mukerji

Hello, I am writing this message regarding the Rani Mukerji page. I did some recent editing on that page and started a discussion regarding the section "Media appearances". I was going to delete it but I thought it would be better to discuss it. If you can, come to the discussion page on Mukerji's article and state your opinion on this section. -- Pa7 22:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cast changes and overall editing

I have removed, re-touched some things on Mukerji's page. Also I have re-added The Hero: Love Story of a Spy back to Zinta's top three grossers which is backed up by a credible source. I REALLY wanted to remove media appearances but have left it for now. Also I reverted your edits of Karan Johar's page where you removed the cast for Kal Ho Naa Ho and demoted Zinta in KANK. Since the format is IMDB then I re-added and reverted on that page. Speaking of KANK please stop uploading images for that page as it is becoming to crowded. I think that to be fair a movie poster, two images featuring the two main couples, an image of the four main chracters and the CD cover is preferable which is one of the reasons I removed the extraneous image which showed everybody getting ready. Also speaking of image uploading, fair enough you love Rani Mukerji but try to be fair to other actors and upload images featuring them as well. I've seen the Baabul page and every image features Mukerji. What about Hema Malini or Salman Khan? I remember we had this problem with KANK where you uploaded two images featuring Mukerji but did not consider Zinta especially if she is part of the main cast. I know it may seem Im a huge fan of Zinta, kinda like you love Mukerji. I personally prefer Madhuri Dixit who is so much better then the both of them. I felt you were attacking Preity Zinta and other actresses pages which I found really unfair. I kinda made it a thing to try and protect the page as well as other actresses from fangush, praise etc etc. Wikipedia has to be neutral and personally I feel that some of the pages are good. Please don't take my comments offensively. I saw your new notice above so feel free to respond on my talk page. -- Pa7 00:04, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Hello!

Hey Shez. Well, I read your comment, and well, the decision to follow IMDb's cast list is a bit odd because IMDb usually just put the names in alphabetical order since nobody has updated the credits list. And yep, Ash's name should be before Madhuri's name in Devdas because she's the lead. It's a bit odd, isn't it? -- Hariharan91 06:01, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recent message

I have removed some things from Rani's article that were OTT but I have tried to keep the references. The awards on Preity's page are like Rani's but I did nominations and awards instead of just awards. Look, I am a BIG fan of Bollywood but there should be standards. I still don't like the Rani article cause its just got too much fancruft but I can't remove anything without offending you. I'll leave the article for now. You should see the Kareena Kapoor article. Zora's done such a good job on it. I think Rani's article needs to be like that, Preity's article is like Kareena's article. As for IMDB, I feel the main actors as in actor, actress, supporting actors... is a good way. I don't see what's that got to do with Veer-Zaara since Zinta was the heroine. Anywayz IMDB is fine for now. I can't be bothered to argue as Im too busy. Thanks for you reply. -- Pa7 16:45, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

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