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[edit] Not a picture of a tricolor?

That is not a tricolor Sheltie. It is a sable. Tricolors are black with tan points on the eyebrows, cheeks, and legs with white markings. This is my tricolor Shetland Sheepdog.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b99/iambonbon05/e11f998f.jpg I'm not sure if I put up that link correctly, but make a google search on tricolor sheltie and you'll get the idea. Or go to the American Shetland Sheepdog Association (assa.org) for a very good description on coat colors.

Actually, you can not have an outside picture display. The best you can do is link to it. --maru (talk) contribs 02:36, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

erm gthis is justa picture and links?

It looks like more is on the way. patience... :-) --Tarquin 18:48 Feb 1, 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Sable?

The dog in the first picture is a mahogany sable.

I personally like the colors of the mahogany sable sheltie. Those colors are beautiful.

I just checked with sannse (who took the photo) and she said "first book I grabbed - describes sable and "black hairs over brown or golden base colour" - that's certainly wht this one has in the main (picture)", so I've changed it. Alphax τεχ 13:57, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Personal recollections

Aww...The one on the left looks like the late, great Sargent Puppy of my youth... *sniffle* --DanKeshet 18:51 Feb 1, 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Image data

"Sattui" on the left (1 year, 7 months), and "Orfila" on the right (6 months), at our home in Rancho Bernardo, California (40 miles north of San Diego). I didn't want to excerpt any of the other pages' text cause copyright, and didn't feel the muse just at the moment to write my own. Anyone else is welcome, otherwise I'll put something in soon.


Shelties are the best dog ever!!! I have a ten year-old Tri color, who is rather on the large side (~25lbs.), but is still a beautiful dog. I named him 'Bama' after the main character in Jimmy Buffett's book, 'Where is Joe Merchant'. He is very intelligent, loyal, and affectionate. He loves to ride with me in my truck. He also is best friends with my cat, 'Sheba'. I have read that Shelties, as a breed, are very cat-friendly. 
                                     Rick  'X MEN'

[edit] Dogs' names on photos

To prevent a proliferation of personalized dog photos throughout the encyclopedia, the dog project (Wikipedia:WikiProject Dog breeds) has pursued a policy of not identifying any dogs by name on the breed pages, nor their owners, nor their breeders, nor even their titles (although I did leave in the Ch title mention here because it seemed relevant to the breed article, although we haven't included that info in any other Ch photo on the breed page that I'm aware of), etc. All of that info can go onto the image page, and often does, and anyone who clicks on the photo to enlarge it can read all of that detail. (For example, Image:SmoothCollieTri2 wb.jpg, Image:PuliBlack wb.jpg, also CHs, don't have their names on the breed pages.)

However, Per request in the edit history, I have removed the photo ("There is no reason to not have the name of the sheltie. If the name can't appear, remove the image") from the article. If you change your mind, I for one would be glad to have the photo back in.

I wouldn't say that the no-names policy is set in stone but it seems like a good one; if you want to see what other people active in the dog breed project think about possible reasons for including the name, please do bring it up on the project discussion page.

Re: tri vs sable--I am not conversant enough with the gradations of color as to where one turns from sable to tri, so I can't argue with either viewpoint, but it sure looks a lot darker to me than sables I'm familiar with. Or maybe i'm hallucinating either way. :-) --Elf | Talk 06:56, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The two shelties identified as tricolors are actually shaded sables, AKA mahogany sables. Tris have solid black body coats, not just black shading, with tan and white on their faces and legs.


[edit] Tons of new content

Hi all,

I had nothing to do at work today so I started reading up on Shelties and added a bunch of info here. Hope it helps :) --Talia 18:47, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Excellent. Thanks. --Elf | Talk 23:16, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Just wondering, what are the rules about images. Can we put the size charts on here if we credit the site they came from? --Talia 23:44, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
You might want to read the Image use policy. --Pettifogger 01:05, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Talia, fair use might be problematical if the size charts are of decent resolution. --maru (talk) contribs 02:36, 26 January 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Size

I think that the size range is a bit small. I know the breed standard is a maximum of 16 inches. Also, I know of many males shelties that weigh 25 to 30 pounds, and they aren’t overweight dogs. What do people think?

I'd say that you could go to each of the breed stds listed here, find the largest & smallest, & edit this text to say something like most breed standards specify heights within this range for show dogs, but many individuals fall outside these ranges or the equivalent. True for pretty much all breeds, too. --Elf | Talk 21:34, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Our breeder told us that because the Sheltie is such a new breed the sizes can vary a lot (more than some of the older breeds) ... but the sizes I put there are the more common sizes. I don't mind if it's edited, but then you have to change the height max to 20 ... because some Shelties are that tall. Our Sheltie is a female and she's 12 inches in height and weighs 12 pounds. I like the idea of putting the disclaimer type text in there :). Just my 2 cents. --Talia 13:22, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
We bought two Sheltie puppies at the same time - they're now 14 weeks old - and they're both around that height already! Also, I'm not sure Shetland Collie is an obsolete term everywhere, ours were sold to us under that name. --Proto t c 13:21, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
One person I know who has what I believe to be an AKC-registered Sheltie lists his breed as "Sheltzilla" because he's so big, easily as big as a small Rough Collie. Of course, the other possibility is that you really did get a "Shetland-Collie" (mix)! Since Shetland Sheepdog has been used as the official name in English-speaking kennel & breed clubs for quite a long time (although I'll admit I can't say for how long--in the U.S. at least since I was a kid, which was mumble mumble decades ago), I'd wonder about a breeder that called it by that older name. But it's also true that old names die hard. --Elf | Talk 21:19, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

The picture of the Sheltie with the cake is completely pointless and has nothing to do with the caption.

I'd agree. Be bold. But I'll rmv it anyway. Elf | Talk 02:27, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ears?

No where in the breed standard does it say the ears have to be tiped to show. If they aren't, it's a fault, not a disqualification per AKC/ASSA rules and standard. http://www.akc.org/breeds/shetland_sheepdog/index.cfm What's up with that? --Jay 08:21, 24 April 2006 (UTC) Fireball74

Haven't done a great job of rmving it there, now have you?

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