Talk:Sheremetyevo International Airport
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If someone knows Russian and can get the list of airlines, can you please do that?
I do not have a complete list of the airlines. Can someone who knows Russian please get them? Thank you.
I would like for this page to be unprotected because I have information to add to it. I have a list of airlines now. WhisperToMe 23:27, 14 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- I copied in the list of (apparently) international airlines, but I didn't want to bother transcribing what seems to be a list of minor domestic airlines that probably don't exist in Wikipedia anyway. FWIW, here it is: Aeroflot, Аэрофлот-Дон, Аэрофрахт, Континентальные Авиалинии, Авиалинии Кубани, КМВ-КавМинВодыавиа, Самара, Ямал, Пулково, Якутия, Атлант Союз, Авиаэнерго , Владивосток авиа, Комиинтеравиа, Архангельские воздушные линии, Рус Эйр
Белавиа, Кыргыз Эйр, Аэросвит, Эйр Астана, Узбекские авиалинии -Smack 23:38, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)
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- Belavia, Aerosvit, Air Astana and Uzbekistan Airlines are national flag carriers of Belarus, Ukraine, Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan respectively. Kyrgyz Air flies from Domodedovo. Aeroflot-Don is an Aeroflot subsidiary in southern Russia flying out of Rostov (Aeroflot hopes to make them big some day, let's see). All the others aren't worth mentioning - apoivre 19:38, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
apoivre, Is MOW something new? I was last through SVO in Jan, and I've never seen that code. Is it used for both SVO and DME?
Also, I'm not sure what you're trying to say about the domestic flights. My understanding is that all CIS flights out of SVO are actually treated as domestic flights (IOW there's no difference between flying to Yerevan, Kiev, and, say, St. Petersburg), and depart SVO-1, including the countries you listed, as well as the rest of the CIS. I don't know about the Baltic states though; I would assume those are int'l. -TimeLord mbw 20:02, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- MOW is an area code, it stands for SVO, DME, VKO and BKA. If you don't care which airport to arrive just put MOW in Amadeus, Sabre and such - the search will list flights to all airports serving Moscow. Treating flights to the CIS as domestic wouldn't be very PC, I guess. Anyway, I haven't flown domestic in Russia for ages but when you fly to, say, Yerevan, you do clear customs and get stamped out of the country. AFAIK, flights to the four CIS countries I listed are the only flights from SVO1. For the rest of them you have to go to DME or VKO (BKA is purely domestic/charter). Although I remember flying to Georgia from SVO1 a couple of years ago. apoivre 09:53, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- Gotcha, as far as MOW. And, no its not very PC to treat the other CIS countries as domestic flights, but frankly Russia's not very PC with the other CIS countries. I know for a fact that flights to Yerevan depart SVO-1; I also know for a fact that you do not clear Russian customs to make the transfer; I've done it twice round trip in the past six months. (There's PC for you; Russia doesn't acknowledge CIS visas for transit purposes like they're supposed to.) Now, if you're in Russia on a visa, and go to Yerevan then, sure, you get your passport stamped. But my understanding is that, at least for air traffic purposes, that CIS flights are considered domestic. I'll do a little more research and make sure that's true for all of them. -TimeLord mbw 19:00, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
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- Russia may be not very PC with the other CIS countries but there's no reason Wikipedia should follow suit. And why should Russia acknowledge CIS visas for transit purposes? Imagine I want to fly to Mexico on my Russian passport via the US - I must fork out $100 for the US visa even if I don't change terminals. As to flights to Yerevan, you're right, Aeroflot (SU193) flies there out of SVO1 (Siberia and Armavia depart DME). And everytime I fly to Yerevan I do clear Russian customs and do get stamped out of the country -- apoivre 07:16, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- Well, I'm just talking about reporting things the way they stand, not commenting on whether the Russians are being very nice about it; facts are just facts and can't be PC or not. My understanding is that, for all practical purposes, at least from SVO, that flights to all CIS cities are treated as domestic flights. In other words, JFK-SVO-EVN is more like JFK-SVO-LED, than say JFK-SVO-PRG. For the last one (if for some crazy reason you did it) you would stay in SVO-2, but for the other two you would have to change from SVO-2 to -1. See http://www.aeroflot.ru/eng/info.asp?ob_no=764 and "from foreign countries to Russia and CIS".
- My transit visa comment stems from an agreement that was supposed to take place where a CIS visa would function as a transit visa for other CIS countries. Several of the countries (not Russia or, I think, Ukraine) participate in this. If I were to travel to Armenia via Belarus (or vice versa) with a tourist visa and plane ticket for my final destination, I would not need a transit visa to leave the airport on a layover. That doesn't work in Moscow, which is unfortunate considering that Moscow is a major hub for int'l travel to CIS countries, and the situation at SVO.
- Based on the above link, I could change the sentence to something along the lines of "Flights to Russian and CIS cities... arrive and depart SVO-1", if you object to using the word domestic. Understand, I don't like the SVO situation; I think it's pretty heavyhanded and paternalistic of Russia, but its just the way it seems to be. -TimeLord mbw 18:16, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)
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- I just don't want the article to create the impression you have to travel via SVO1 to go to a CIS country. DME is actually more important in terms of CIS flights. SU flies out of SVO but most CIS flag carriers and major Russian airlines other than SU fly out of DME. So in case you have to transit Moscow, you'd better fly on BA, LX, EK, etc., metal to DME and then on to whichever CIS city you need to go to. But then again, this is not a travel guide -- apoivre 07:33, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
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- The SVO situation is actually the legacy of good ol' Soviet times when flights to Yerevan, Kiev and such used to be domestic. So SVO1 was a purely domestic terminal and SVO2 was int'l. -- apoivre 07:36, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- Well, if that's what this is about, I think mentioning the other airports and the fact that we're just talking about the way SVO is structured should cover that. For that matter, I wouldn't want people to think you have to go through Moscow at all to get to a CIS country. It is just a Soviet holdover, like you say, just like Hammer and Sickle airlines. :-)
- However, as long as SU is waay cheaper than most other carriers, and more reliable (!) than many CIS national carriers <cough>Armavia<cough>, then SVO (and the dreaded terminal switch) will be important to people heading toward the transcaucasus and central asian CIS countries, and, I think, is worth mentioning. -TimeLord mbw 15:35, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
