User talk:ShalomShlomo

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Hello, ShalomShlomo, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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I repeat the sentiment! Hello and welcome! IZAK 10:35, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Michel Yehudah Lefkovits

Do you have any information on Rav Michel Yehudah Lefkovits that you could contribute to his article?

[edit] Avoiding controversy

Hi ShalomShlomo: It is very obvious that you focus on and attempt to insert controversial material into Judaism-related topics. Not a very healthy or productive practice. IZAK 07:50, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

I second IZAK's concerns here. I reviewed your additions to Yosef Shalom Eliashiv, all of which came without solid sources. They may be true, they may be false, but without sources we will never know. There have been recent cases of de facto libel on Wikipedia, and WP:CITE is the new black. Unsourced material will be removed if it violates the originial research and verifiability policies. JFW | T@lk 11:47, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Satmar

I think you're doing splendidly in making Aaron Teitelbaum an NPOV page. I will keep an eye on it and protect if necessary, but at the moment your work has stabilised the page. Let me know if there's trouble.

Oh, and could you expand the Yona Metzger article to include the fact that he headed a publishing institute and that he wrote several books. I have a Shaagas Aryei to which he wrote the introduction, and Be-maalei ha-Chayim which he co-authored. JFW | T@lk 10:07, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Shalom Shlomo, Chag urim sameach. IZAK contacted me regarding the editing difficulties going on at Satmar. My question to him, which I guess I should have asked you from the outset, is whether you're requesting page protection while figuring out how to overcome the editwar? Tom e r ^talk 07:21, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Greetings. Per your request, in light of what I see as a multiparty edit war that's going nowhere, I've protected the article, and encouraged working out the dispute on the Talk page. I don't know much about the Satmar Chasidim, so I'm really not in a position to comment first hand [or even second hand] on the "controversy", but I do have enough experience on WP to recognize a slow edit war when I see one. (There's another one going on over on Nostradamus that I'm trying to figure out what to do about right now, actually...) Tom e r ^talk 08:48, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

The bit you added about Rabbi Yoel of Satmar being a younger son himself is nonsense. Rabbi Yoel’s father was Rabbi of Siget, and his successor was Rabbi Yoel’s older brother, the “Azei Haim”. I removed the bit, please don’t revert. Cockneyite 16:17, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

In response to your posting on my talk page: He was the younger son, but he was elected as Rabbi for the orthodox Satmar community - something that had naught with the fact that he was son of the Rav of Sighet. He was elected by a mostly non-Hassidic community, most of which had misgivings about the "take-over" of the orthodox leadership by the Hassidic "Rebbishe" Rabbis. They elected him nevertheless, because the need for an uncompromising hard headed leader was apparent to them all. Cockneyite 01:59, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

thank you for your good edit(Neigerig 13:12, 9 March 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Chalitzah

shalom! shloyme(?)! Can we upload this image to commons? --Sheynhertz _געשׁ״ך 21:33, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Jewish lists and categories

Hello, I have made a compromise proposal at Wikipedia_talk:Centralized_discussion/Lists_by_religion-ethnicity_and_profession#Proposal_to_make_Jewish_lists_and_categories_historical_only. Regards Arniep 23:00, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More Satmar

I have asked Rebbeshe Kneesocks to desist from deleting parts of the article without discussion[1]. Please keep the lines of communication open. He has the right to dispute the reliability of sources, but I see no other major policy violations in the material that he removed.

If there is no improvement I have the choice of locking the article or banning Rebbeshe Kneesocks. JFW | T@lk 22:20, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Praise

On your praise of 209.155.49.3 in the Bobov pages; I would like to make you aware; that I checked out all his edits to date, & found him to be unfair & trying where he can under the guise of innocence to edit to his POV. I understand that you might have looked at the last few edits; so it might have looked fair to you.

Also you write in the main article on Bobov that there are reports that it is being investigated by a Beth Din. It's more then just reports; it is known that a Beth Din of five Rabonim are sitting on this issue already for quite a few months; even their names are known to all.

In general, I think; if anything sits on an article page for over a month; especially in a controversial article, & both sides don't challenge it; it can basically be considered as fact. Issac 20:43, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

ShalomShlomo: Thanks for being a mentch Issac 18:25, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Šlama elux, Šlomo!

Check out my user talk page. I've devised a Romanized Assyrian/Aramaic/Hebrew Alphabet that works perfectly.

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[edit] Use of the the word "mitnagdim"

(I have also posted this message at Talk:Elazar Shach#Use of the the word "mitnagdim", where this discussion began. IZAK 05:17, 21 February 2006 (UTC))

Hi ShalomShlomo: Perhaps you are not aware that the word mitnagdim in a modern-day context is very out-dated and may even be regarded as a mild slur by the people you think are "mitnagdim". The original mitnagdim were so called because they followed the Vilna Gaon (1720-1797) who opposed the early Hasidim (who viewed the early Hasidim as another dangerous manifestation of Sabbatai Zevi's influence), particularly Lubavitch and Breslov. The first so-called "mitnagdim" (i.e the Vilna Gaon's disciples) did not choose this name for themslves, rather, it was their Hasidic opponents, who themselves were "mitnagdim" (the word simply means "opponents" in Hebrew), who pinned the label "mitnagdim" on those who did not wish to adopt the new ways of Hasidism -- at the same time that the followers of the Baal Shem Tov (1698-1760) chose to self-righteously call call themselves "Hasidim" (which means "righteous ones" in Hebrew) -- an act of great chutzpah. Without dwelling on past history, by now the fact is clear that there is no such thing as the "mitnagdim" like those who lived in the times of the Vilna Gaon! Hasidism has been well-established because its commitment to Halakha is beyond question and it is not opposed by anyone in the Torah world. Those Haredim who do not follow the Hasidic ways are today known as "Litvaks" or the "Yeshiva world" -- or "Lithuanian yeshiva world" -- but not as "mitnagdim" because, while they seek to maintain their own traditions of the original Ashkenaz that existed for a very long time BEFORE the advent of the Hasidic movement -- they are not presently enaged in an sort of kulturkampf. As proof of the positive and constructive relations between all Haredi Jews (Hasidim and non-Hasidim together) one can look at Agudath Israel of America in the USA which serves as an umbrella organization for Hasidic Rebbes and non-Hasidic Litvish yeshiva deans and their commmunities. And in Israel, the ongoing alliances of Agudat Israel and Degel HaTorah under United Torah Judaism serve the common needs and agendas of all Haredi parties. Bottom line, it is very rare indeed to find groups who self-identify as "mitnagdim" so you should therefore not use that description in articles when you want to talk about or describe Ashkenazi Haredi groups that are not Hasidic. To say "non-Hasidic" is ok, or perhaps "Lithuanian yeshiva communities/rabbis" (sometimes also referred to as "Yeshivish" -- but not always in a serious sense.) Any discussion or mention of "mitnagdim" should therefore be restricted to articles or personalities dealing with the struggles during the times of the Vilna Gaon and the Baal Shem Tov and one or two generations following them. Basically, the major disputes between followers of Hasidism and those who opposed them ended by the end of the nineteenth century. With the dawn of the twentieth century all the European Haredi groups and factions united, most notably as proven by the establishment of the World Agudath Israel in Europe in 1912. Many non-Hasidim have become serious Hasidim over time, and the majority of students and faculty in non-Hasidic yeshivas have strong Hasidic ancestry. The lines run in all directions in the Haredi world, so it is incorrect to use old labels such as "mitnagdim" in a frivolous manner that does not apply today. IZAK 05:02, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: your question

It was announced at a general assembly last night in the Satmar (Aaron) Synagogue on 13 Hooper St. in Williamsburg. It is probably in this week's Der Blatt. I read it on upoc.com "Satmar" group that is run by Aaron's followers. 209.155.94.129 02:42, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

here is something in Yiddish - i don't have time to translate, but you could ask someone - [2]

[edit] re: Torah vyirah

the yeshiva in america of the early 1900's was Torah Vodaath, Lit. Torah and Knoweledge. they had a hebrew program in the morning and a secular education (math, history, etc.) in the afternoons.

when the rebbe of satmar came to the USA and wished to open his own chassidic School, he said they are torah vodaath? we will be torah v'yirah (torah and fear of hashem)... with no english in the afternoons.

hope this made sense, im tired. gevaldik! 06:11, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Orthodox Rabbinical Biography Collaboration of the Week

Hi ShalomShlomo, I've created an Orthodox Rabbinical Biography Collaboration of the Week. I'd love to see your comments, improvements, amendations and nominations, preferably all on the discussion or the actual page there. Many thanks, Nesher 14:19, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] VfD: Category:Jews and Judaism

Shalom ShalomShlomo: Please see Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 June 19#Category:Jews and Judaism. Thanks, IZAK 12:21, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] R' Eliashiv

Re [3], it's frum vandalism, it looks like. The sources removed are all critical of R' Eliashiv. Cheers. - CrazyRussian talk/email 12:16, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shach

I would like to reiterate my discomfort with writing so much about the Lubavitch issue on the Rav Shach article. That would best be written in another article. I think much of the bio about Rav Shach is still waiting to be written.

The subject should not only be identified with controversies. Its unfair and, in some ways, inaccurate to write only about "issues" relating to the man, with barely a paragraph about the man himself.

With that said, I would propose a sentence or two, identifying the problem from his perspective, and, to be frank, that of literally every Orthodox Jew outside Lubavitch: There is a deifcation problem in Lubavitch. This was noticed by Rav Hutner (see his bio, and Making of a Gadol) and R' Ahron. The Mashiach issue went too far (for obvious reasons, read Gil Student's book). Rav Shach took it upon himself to protest this, given that he was one of the few individuals of genuine stature in the Charedi world who could have made an impact with respect to another very charismatic leader. Lubavitch to this day cannot forgive him for this. This is understandable, but inevitable. You could go on the internet to find websites filled with madness and possibly heresy. Obviously, this should be covered with sources, and written more neutrally. This cannot be too hard.

But I think more thought should be put into how much of the Lubavitch issue is invested into this article when there is so little written about Rav Shach, himself. There is so much about the man; both before and after BOTH world wars which is noteworthy and fascinating. It reveals a great deal about him. Most significantly, it comports with the tone used in literally every other article about Jewish leaders, including the Lubavitcher Rebbe, himself. It is not just a shame to accord Rav Shach differently, but also a loss to the Wikipedia community when there is so much which could be shared. DavidCharlesII 14:37, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I was very impressed with your response.

I would like to work on the Rav Shach article in earnest. However, I do not believe I have that much time. I will try to go through some sources over the next week or so and discuss them with you. Let's see what we can come up with.

DavidCharlesII 18:47, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sakmer

I saw you corrected the paragraph I deleted about the folk etymology of the Satmar name. This version seems OK for me, because it clearly states that this is tradition among the members of the group not generally among the people of the town. I have only one problem: you use the name Satu Mare in the sentence and not Satmar. That name was invented by the Romanian government only in 1925 - the tradition is probably older and was about the original name (Szatmár or Satmar) not the new one. Zello 21:03, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

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