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[edit] Older entries
This sentence appears to contradict the rest of the article:
- Men and women exchanged sexual partners frequently within the community, while breaking up all exclusive romantic attachments, which were described as "social love", antisocial behavior threatening communal order.
However I don't feel comfortable removing or editing it -- RTC 03:18 Nov 16, 2002 (UTC)
Perhaps they are confusing the Shakers with the Oneida Community (1848-1881). -- RTC 01:22 May 1, 2003 (UTC)
I have no problem removing this obviously false statement. Jmabel 01:56, 27 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I did not see that sentence in the article so I am assuming it has been removed, as it should be, as the Shakers were most definitely celibate.Kcprof 19:00, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
The article alltogether seems a bit unstructured -- only to me? -- till we *) 23:04, Aug 1, 2003 (UTC)
- Yes, it could be helped a lot by better structure. Mkmcconn 23:29, 3 Aug 2003 (UTC)
[edit] Victorian
Can we consider this within the frame of Victorian sexual moral?
[edit] Still accepting members?
This paragraph:
- There remain today a few devoted followers who live in New England in the Sabbathday Lake community in Maine.
was recently removed and replaced with a statement that the Sabbathday Lake community still accepts new members (other edits were made at the same time). Does anyone have any documentation on either side of this factual disagreement? -- Jmabel 04:52, Sep 4, 2004 (UTC)
Not sure this is exactly a factual disagreement. What I've heard from several different tour guides at the Canterbury, New Hampshire Shaker Village is:
1) There are 4 members of the Sabbathday Lake community--2 sisters and 2 brothers 2) The community still occasionally accepts new recruits, although often they try it out for a while and then leave. The most recent new recruits to stay the course were the 2 brothers, who joined the community in the seventies. --A Brit Abroad 22:40, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Origin of Name
Forgive me as I'm posting this to both [Shakers] and [Quakers]...
I've heard that the name actually comes from a part of scripture that mentions an earthquake (started by God) or something to that effect. I'm not sure where in the scriptures, so that is another mystery. Basically the story I heard was that the Quakers' scriptures say quake and and the Shakers scripture says that the ground was made to shake. I know it sounds silly, but I heard this from a relative (who has now passed) that actually knew a lot about both groups and took many vacations in their historical towns. Now that I think about it, I believe she heard this from a guide at a/the Shaker village (in Ohio?). Of course, it's hearsay and could be completely false. If anyone has any more information on this, by all means enlighten us.JoeHenzi 01:04, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Shakers in Connecticut
Regarding the "...at Enfield (or Shaker Station), Connecticut..." line, I've never heard of a "Shaker Station", but the area the Shakers lived in is the present-day Shaker Pines village/district, which contains Shaker Pines Lake. (I'd have to check to see whether it's a village or a district, since they do have their own fire department and mail is addressed to Shaker Pines, CT, but I don't believe they have their own ZIP code or census district.) The Wadsworth Atheneum also has a large collection of period Shaker furniture that's credited as being from Shaker Pines, not Shaker Station. Point is, I believe it should be pointed out what the present name is, since I've only found two sources that use the name Shaker Station ([1][2]), and it clearly hasn't been in use for decades. Beginning 03:39, Oct 2, 2004 (UTC)
- Changing "or Shaker Station" to "then also known as Shaker Station". Could've done this yourself... -- Jmabel 05:44, Oct 2, 2004 (UTC)
- Like most responsible editors, I don't change things I'm not 100% sure about. My apologies for the apparent inconvenience. Beginning 16:49, Oct 2, 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Other meanings
"The Shakers is also the nickname of Bury Football Club in England. I'm not entirely sure whether that belongs in this article, though. Hectorthebat 22:52, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC) I'll add it appropriately. -- Jmabel 23:47, Oct 2, 2004 (UTC)
[edit] another external link
The link to the Canterbury, NH community should be added:
There should also probably me more about that community as well, but I'm not sure what, as this is my first contribution. (unsigned, from Prgrmr)
[edit] Modern Day Shakers
I have edited the following line "One of Mother Ann's predictions states that there will be a revival when there are only five Shakers left." I had included this in a paper I wrote and asked the Shakers at Sabbath Day Lake to check for accuracy. They told me that Mother Ann never made such a statement. 207.69.137.134 18:44, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Ann Lee
I have deleted the last sentence of the first paragraph which read: "She left her husband and her children to be the leader of the Shakers." Ann's children had died in infancy and her husband actually came to America with her, but soon left her.Kcprof 18:50, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
Mother Ann had four children. Three died in infancy. The fourth was six years old when she died. Manchester was known to have a high infant & child mortality rate.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.227.58.115 (talk • contribs) 4 March 2006.
[edit] Jesus
Does anyone have any idea why "Jesus, born of a woman, the son of a Jewish carpenter" became "Jesus, born of a woman, the son of a Jewish tectov (or handworker)"? It was an uncommented, anonymous change. My inclination is to revert, tempered by the suspicion that the person who made the change may just know something I don't. Explanation would be welcome, otherwise I am inclined to revert. -- Jmabel | Talk 23:36, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] New Forest Shakers
Would it be appropriate to add a section about the New Forest Shakers (see http://www.bbc.co.uk/southampton/faith/philip_hoare.shtml) here? They appear to be an offshoot of the Shakers originally in England, but the connection is obscure. Nonetheless, theirs is an interesting story and deserves to be featured somewhere, I think. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by World Pumps (talk • contribs) 10 Feb 2006.
- If the connection is obscure, I suggest that you give them a separate article, and just mention it here in a "see also". - Jmabel | Talk 05:34, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Somewhat incoherent addition cut
I cut the addition bolded below:
Membership in the Shakers dwindled in the late 1800s for several reasons. People were attracted to cities and away from the farms. Shaker products could not compete with mass-produced products that became available at a much lower cost. Shakers could not have children, and although they did adopt, this was not a major source of new members. Also, adoption homes transferred into the control of the state, thus ending the practice. which Some Shaker settlements, such as Pleasant Hill community in Kentucky, have become museums.
There may be something to this, but it didn't make clear sense. It looked like at least partly a typo. If someone can write this coherently, and cite for it, great. - Jmabel | Talk 23:09, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
