Talk:Shahnameh

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There is already another article (Shahnama). The two articles should be merged, maybe adding a few informations from this article to the other one. -80.171.123.24 22:46, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

The Shahnama has been in place for years. An anon user, in just the past few months (you?), forked it off to create this article, over-writing the redirect that was previously here, a violation of the rules which no one noticed at the time. Now you want this one to replace the other? The reason the anon user forked it off is because they kept getting reverted in the other article for POV edits. --Stbalbach 23:06, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Also you will note that some of the text in this article was copied verbatum from the original Shahnama article, clearly, someone allready knew the other article existed and this was a dishonest attempt to -rewite the article under a new name, a violation of Wikipedia rules. --Stbalbach 23:10, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Ill give this article a week. If nothings been done to merge, then the redirect will restored. This article was created, just in October for the first time, in violation of Wikipedia rules about intentional forking, and is really invalid. Weve had ongoing problems with anon editors forking this article many times in the past, this is just the latest incident. --Stbalbach 23:13, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

I have nothing to do with this article. In fact, I am a user from the German Wikipedia who got to this article via language-link. Maybe you should just pick some of the additional information of this article and integrate it into your own article. I don't care which of the article gets the redirect. This article has some more useful information than the other one. -80.171.123.24 00:47, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

We've had continual problems with anon users forking off new versions, knowingly violating wikipedia rules. The new article appears better than previous forks, but the grammer needs a lot of work, it just needs a lot of work - is it a translation of the German version? Its bothersome that someone would knowingly fork off a new article creating a mess for others to clean up, I certainly dont feel so inclined to clean up after other people who knowingly violate the rules, id rather just restore the redirect and let the person who made the new article do the integration themselves if they want. If it was an honest mistake thats one thing, but it was not, they knew the other article already existed and forked it anyway. --Stbalbach 01:02, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, it is not a translation of the German article. The German article is really short and I hoped to find some useful information in here. I could copy and paste a few information out of this article into yours. We could try to improve the grammar. However, oen of the articles needs to be deleated ... -80.171.123.24 17:53, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

• A copy/paste job along with redirecting is warranted; the merged article will include the content of both articles (and of course future editings will follow), but at the end I recommend the new page be named "Shahnameh" as its the way its pronounced in Persian (a Persian speaker wouldn't use "Shahnama" for a search). Also, alternative spelling would be "Shāhnāmeh" to follow the standard used by many references to diferentiate "a" from "aa" as in "bad" in English versus "Baad" (wind) in Persian. BTW, allow me to advise not to develop a psychological "attachment" to any article (!), what matters at the end is the merged content (which will be constantly in change anyway including the spelling of the article, based on current conventions; in particular, there is a lot to be added to this article, looks like it has been somehow missed by many scholars so far). Gmotamedi 07:56, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

I am a native Persian-speaker, and "Shâhnâma" is the correct way to pronounce it. In the eastern dialects of Persian (where the new Persian language originated 1000 years ago), the "-eh" of Western dialects is pronounced "-a". -Tajik 02:40, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

dear Tajik you are not a native persian speaker. you are native speaker of tajik dialect of persian. moreover, no body is asking what is pronounciation of shahnameh, the point is that the book title in english would letter-for-letter be written as shahnameh. if you dont agree pick any version of shahnameh. Darw. on 21 Feb 2006.

• We might be referring to the same thing, I can't not sure; BTW, are you Tajik or Iranian Persian? That might be the source of pronunciation difference; in either case, this is a minor issue since it exists with the majority of our words that can be -arbitrarily- written in many different ways in English. Gmotamedi 05:54, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Is there an established way of determining which version should be kept / which pronunciation is more popular? For a Turkish speaker "Shahnameh" would be more intuitive, but that probably is not relevant, as the origin of the words seems to be persian. I could help in merging the contents, just drop me a PM when there is a concensus. --memo 11:02, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] شاهنامه

Shahnameh is the correct transliteration into English. --Houshyar 03:51, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ==Synopsis section POV==

I think there are some very POV statements in the Synopsis section.

• "Naturally, the strength and charm of Ferdowsi's poetry have done much to make the story of this period attractive and lively."
• "Indeed, the Masters' descriptions are so vivid and impressive that the reader feels himself participating in the events or closely viewing them."
• "Here Ferdowsi is in the zenith of his poetic power and has become a true master of storytelling."

Are there any reliable sources for these claims? Or is it just one editor's opinion? P Ingerson (talk) 00:59, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

When it comes to reporting on works of art, it is often a matter of general opinion - generally opinion among experts would probably support these statements (in spirit if not literal words). IMO the POV tag suggests there is controversy when there is not, which is damaging to the credibility of the article as a whole, then any superficial wording concerns. What are your credentials to say these things are not true, how much have you studied the scholarship of the Shahnameh? I didn't write this, and am not saying it can't be improved, but a nag-tag without good reason is sometimes more damaging than leaving it alone. In other words, if you don't know anything about the subject and have not taken the time to research it, why would you question it? -- Stbalbach 14:50, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I do not see why these wordings can not change a bit to get rid of the "neutrality trap". Mrjahan Oct. 25, 2006.