Talk:Shabak technique
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[edit] Dispute
I dispute the factual accuracy of this article because:
- No reputable source is referenced.
- A Google search yields a wide variaty of torture methods referred to as "Shabach", it is not clear that this is indeed a particular method.
- The name "Shabach" is not a likely spelling of Shabak and it is not clear that this is indeed the origin of the name.--128.139.226.37 21:26, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Shabach derivation:
Following up on the last point from the last post, here is some information which casts further doubt on this wiki:
The Hebrew word "shabach" is defined by Strong's Hebrew Bible Dictionary as the following:
shabach shaw-bakh'
a primitive root; properly, to address in a loud tone, i.e. (specifically) loud; figuratively, to pacify (as if by words):--commend, glory, keep in, praise, still, triumph.
The linguistic root is surely older than the organization SHABAK. Seeing the unsubstantiated claim in this case does cause wonder over the rest of the article. I wouldn't take anything this article says as gospel unless it is revised to a more comprehensive work.
[edit] Returning to the issue
Let us put aside the above diversions and etymological trivia.
If the claims are true, and the Shabach/Shabak actually set out in this way to destroy the minds of young Palistian opponents, then the world must know. The Israeli people must know this was done in their name.
Is this really how the Shabach/Shabak operates? From the top down? Is there no accountability here? It is not an area where a mere Google Search helps much. Are people afraid of Shabach/Shabak agents, holding their tongues? Who knows and has the courage to tell? Beyond this stuff, even beyond the holocaust, there is still such a thing as basic human decency. It really does exist. And one would desperately hope that Israli's at least understand this, and will stand up for it. Otherwise what hope can there be? Geronimo20 08:41, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Real, but not Correct?
A 1999 BBC article seems to confirm Shabak is a real torture technique, but this Wikipedia article does not seem to be describing it correctly. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 03:00, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Reliable Source
According to a draft of the case file entitled Public Committee Against Torture v. Israel HJC 5100/94 Judgement by President A. Barak, article 10, entitled Waiting in the Shabach Position, is described as follows:
10. This interrogation method arose in several petitions (HJC6539/95, HJC 5188/96, HJC 7628/97). As per petitioners' submission, a suspect investigated under the "Shabach" position has his hands tied behind his back. He is seated on a small and low chair, whose seat is tilted forward, towards the ground. One hand is tied behind the suspect, and paces inside the gap between the chair's seat and back support. His second hand is tied behind the chair, against its back support. The suspect's head is covered by a sack that falls down to his shoulders. Loud music is plaed in the room. According to the briefs submitted, suspects are detained in this position for a long period of time, awaiting interrogation. Petitioners claim that prolonged sitting in this position causes serious muscle pain in the arms, the nech, and headaches. The state did no deny the use of this method. It submits both crucial security considerations and the safety of the invesitgators require the tying of the suspect's hands as he is being interrogated. The head covering is to prevent contact with other suspects. Loud music is played for the same reason.Italic text
--Imessmore 01:29, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
