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Updated 18 Apr 2006 — (changes • edit)

Contents 1 Firefly Family 2 Pages 3 Re:Cylon God article 4 Rogue Trooper 5 Bad Company & Krool 6 Cylon (2003 model) 7 Blank articles 8 Godfather Template 9 Lone Wolf 10 George Orwell 11 Organized Crime and Racketeering Squad listed for deletion 12 Exosquad 13 House of Pain 14 Dinosaurs in 2000 AD 15 Friday merge 16 List of perps? 17 2000 AD suggestions 18 Iron Storm series 19 2000 AD merges 20 Angels and Demons character question 21 Angels and Demons 22 New plan of action 23 RE: Blade The Vampire Related 24 A couple of things 25 Re: Pirates 26 More 2000 AD stuff 27 Judge Dredd categories 28 Insignia 29 Volgans 30 Survey about merging Battlestar Galactica articles 31 RE: Blade: Trinity Question 32 Tiny stubs 33 The VC's 34 Robin Hood 35 2000 AD Universe up for deletion

[edit] Firefly Family

Hmmm...I'm not too sure. I've already created articles for the seperate characters. My best guess would be to describe the relationships and how they are related to each other.

This is how it seems to be now:

Mother Firefly + Captain Spaulding = Baby

Mother Firefly + Earl (The Professor) = Tiny and Rufus

And Otis isn't 'related' to the Firefly Family (I.E he wasn't born from Mother Firefly), but was raised by them if that makes sense.

A good pic to use would be the one I posted here. Hope that helps. :)--CyberGhostface 19:58, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pages

I'm not too familar with the characters you asked me to do, but I did modify the articles. As for the Krool page, I removed a some of the images as there was way too much cluttering up the page.--CyberGhostface 19:36, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Cylon God article

I created an article for the God. Please help! - SGCommand

You probably know more about it than I do at this point. I don't know what you want from me? I thought Lucy Lawless's character was just a normal Cylon. Looks to me that this is info about her portraying the "Cylon God" may be just speculation of what is yet to come in the series, and probably shouldn't be made into an article yet until it's shown on television, otherwise it could be removed as fan-speculation. Cyberia23 22:48, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rogue Trooper

What I'd suggest is we take the discussion on creating new entries to the talk page and take it from there. I'll also drop a note into the 2000 AD talk page where we have been putting together a to do list. (Emperor 14:25, 6 May 2006 (UTC))

OK cool - I am technically happy with the list I give there as it gives the most flexibility without spinning off too many entries. I'll drop in other thoughts as they occur to me but that seems good for now. If you start any let me know and I'll run through and throw more stuff in - it'll take a few goes to knock them all into shape but its nicely doable. (Emperor 16:38, 8 May 2006 (UTC))

Thanks for starting those. I took the opporunity to create stubs for the various other entries that were needed. As I say they all link into each other and so it'll take a few goes round to get everything in the right place. On the talk page I outline a couple of other entries it'd be worth creating but I don't know enough about the Rogue games to comment but given the release of the computer game I am pretty sure they'll need their own entry as there are a lot of extra links and such like (as well as categories, etc.) and it'd start messing the main entry up. (Emperor 02:07, 9 May 2006 (UTC))

Thanks for starting the games section - I might move the whole subsection over from the main page. (Emperor 23:55, 15 May 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Bad Company & Krool

Thanks for starting those however I suspect the naming might need a quick tweak. If you check out the 2000AD to do list you'll find the right name Bad Company (comics) - other entries already point there and BC is first and foremost a comic (even if there has been a graphic novel collection released). Equally there is nothing at the simpler Krool and I can think of nothing else that would need to go there. So I'd recommend moving them both and jamming in a redirect. I'd do it myself now but wanted to run it passed you first so it didn't seem quite so "abrupt." Thanks for the efforts - there is so much work still to do its always great to have more helping hands ;) (Emperor 14:34, 8 May 2006 (UTC))

Thanks for moving the BC stuff - looks much better. I'll run through and add some stuff. I've started the discussion on the new Rogue Trooper entries on the talk page we can finalise the list and then it doesn't matter who starts them as long as we are on the same page. I have also dropped in a note on the 2000AD to do list so other people can contribute if they want. (Emperor 16:28, 8 May 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Cylon (2003 model)

I'm the second person to pull the speedy delete tag on this article. You need to include a reason since this article does not appear to meet any of the speedy deletion criteria. Vegaswikian 19:56, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blank articles

Please do not create articles consisting solely of a category, as they will be speedy deleted. Deb 11:56, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

In that case, don't save it until it is complete. Deb 11:57, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Godfather Template

Hi, Sdoroudi here.
You wrote: Are you gonna fill those red links in or what?
I was really hoping that someone who is very familiar with the book would write the character pages. Do you know how I could go about starting a WikiProject? If you think a project is unnecessary and if you think it would be best that those red links be turned into blue ones right away, I can work on them during the weekend, but the best I can do is turn them all into stubs (unless I can find sufficient online sources which provide information on those characters).
Any advice would be appreciated; thanks in advance! Sdoroudi 15:36, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I'll do my best to get the stubs up sometime this weekend. Sdoroudi 16:07, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lone Wolf

• Yeah, probably Banedon, Ayliss and some others, then start filling in the stuff that has been created, dont want it to be all stubs. :) Judgesurreal777 22:41, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] George Orwell

I beg your pardon? I've no idea what you're talking about.--Keycard ^(talk) 17:09, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry. Please tell me exactly what you wish me to do.--Keycard ^(talk) 17:15, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Ah. Third time lucky. However, I think that they need to be linked to. I'd prefer them to be red links, but I can't do anything about that, not being an admin.--Keycard ^(talk) 17:20, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but they play such minor parts in the book that it's not worth them having their own articles.--Keycard ^(talk) 17:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

They shouldn't be removed, because they're part of a set, one of which (Oceania) must be mentioned.--Keycard ^(talk) 07:19, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Organized Crime and Racketeering Squad listed for deletion

Contested PRODs go to AfD. Dspserpico 00:56, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Exosquad

I do not think that splitting the list was such a good idea. First, Neosapiens were the ones who controlled the Homeworlds for the most time of the series. Second, now the entire inter-linking of Exosquad articles is messed up. Third, if you change the articles structure on such scale, you should first propose it on the talk page. That's common etiquette... I would've reverted your edits right away, but I prefer to inform people before I do such things. --Koveras 17:05, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] House of Pain

No need to apologise for starting the entry ;) As it stands its not a major story line. It could be that further stories will pick up on the floating prison line and/or on the House of Pain 2 but for the latter they'd need to find a way of telling a different story and that might be tricky as it stand. The end does leave further developments open but it also could just be a dramatic device. If new stories do emerge then it might be worth looking into an entry to reflect this (or possibly not) but it might be that the entry might not be under House of Pain but could easily be under the floating prison if the focus shifts that way (and there does seem more potential down that route). So I'd suggest a wait and see attitude on that one. (Emperor 13:15, 17 June 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Dinosaurs in 2000 AD

Dinosaurs crop up from time to time. The main one being Flesh but your description makes it sound different. Now it might just be that I have been noodling with an entry for Clint Langley but I'm wondering if you are thinking about Dinosty [1] [2] Does that ring any bells? I'd have to dig out the old issues to double check. (Emperor 19:42, 19 June 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Friday merge

It has been put up for merging - you can drop your opinions into the Rogue Trooper talk page (Emperor 14:38, 20 June 2006 (UTC))

[edit] List of perps?

I'd suggest we wait until there are more entries then we can kick the idea around (Emperor 14:38, 20 June 2006 (UTC))

[edit] 2000 AD suggestions

Thanks for the list (also feel free to discuss ieas for new entries on the 2000 AD talk page so others can give their thoughts as there is no guarantee I'm right ;) ). I think you have to keep the two Ns in mind: notability and normalisation. With the latter in mind you have to keep in mind if the characters crop up in various other entries creating a need to reduce replication (it also suggests they are notable). So yes to Savage (although possibly with a diffrent name), London Falling and The Ten Seconders and no to most of the others (which can easily be accomodated within the parent entries) except possibly The Volgans who were also the villians in the ABC Warriors. The rest would just be merged with the parent entry - as those Nikolai Dante ones you've created will be (they could be easily accomodated within a list on the main entry). (Emperor 16:56, 20 June 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Iron Storm series

Its news to me. The 2000 AD message board might have more information but they tend not to give too much away ahead of times. (Emperor 16:18, 27 June 2006 (UTC))

[edit] 2000 AD merges

Hi just a quick note to say I have put up some of your entries for merging in the entries The V.C.s and Nikolai Dante. I have really given my reasoning above and on the 2000 AD talk page and we should be able to use the suggestions section on the talk page to work out what is needed and what isn't beforehand which should help keep your fine efforts focused (as there is a lot still to do!!) (Emperor 01:06, 30 June 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Angels and Demons character question

moved to Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/GeneralForum which is our main forum. Added a response there. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 11:18, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Angels and Demons

I'm not sure. I might make some character articles later if I get the chance. My best recommendation is to probably ask in the discussion section for the Angels and Demons or make requests for the articles. Either way, once the movie comes out, others will probably start more articles.--CyberGhostface 12:36, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

• Dont worry, i've already begun creating the basic articles for the main characters: Vittoria Vetra, Leonardo Vetra and Hassassin. I will create several more tommarow. Feel free to add any known information to the articles i made. Thanks Empty2005 12:44, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New plan of action

Thanks for the note - a list of Judge Dredd's perps can easily be dealt with within the Judge Dredd article. It may at some pint need splitting into separate sections but that is the future. It will only be merged back into the main entry. Create the list in the entry and drop a note in the talk section suggesting that it could in the future be a separate section. Nu Earth and Krool merges? I was thinking about the lattter as I believe they don't appear outside of Bad Company. I'll vote against the Nu-Earth one. (Emperor 14:35, 6 July 2006 (UTC))

I think the problem with the Krool entry is that it can all be dealt with in the Bad Company entry. A separate List of aliens (The V.C.s) is just not needed and again can easily be dealt with in the main entry (as can the other entries I've put up for merging into that entry) (Emperor 14:52, 6 July 2006 (UTC))

[edit] RE: Blade The Vampire Related

Created as in wrote the current one that's up. Sorry, didn't mean to take away any of your credit, but it was only a stub when I saw it. Anyway, I'd definitely love to help to the Blade series articles as soon as more info is available about the Houses of the show and such. Count me in. --The Scourge 12:06, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A couple of things

I'm not sure of your plans from your note but if they are for separate entries then they will get merged back into the main one (or just removed). As it stands I don't think House of Pain is even worth a mention in the main article - if it does return or spins off into other stories then we might look at it again. A list of perps would be fine within the Judge Dredd entry - if it starts getting too big we can look into splitting the main entry but we'll deal with that when the time comes. (Emperor 17:59, 28 July 2006 (UTC))

Thanks for the numbering - it helps.

1. (b) I think that'd make sense - there are plenty of storylines that do still need creating. I'm also in favour of a category for Mega Cities which I think we discussed before.

2. I'll look into digging up some more stuff on the Krool but I don't have much free time to be digging back through old progs at the moment but there are a few things I want to chase down so I may do it all at the same time.

3. There isn't really any need to add a mention there (I've added links to the main WotW pages).

4. I find having characters above the plot means you don't just end up making the character list redundant as theya re going to be mentioned in the plot. So its best to give them a brief mention and then below that have the plot which outlines where they all fit in. I think I actually moved them up there for this reason - I found it worked out better that way on a number of other entries I've done: The Elite, Leviathan (comic), Necronauts, The Five Fists of Science, etc. If someone moved it I'd probably move it back unless they had a really good reason for it ;)

Hope that helps. (Emperor 18:41, 28 July 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Re: Pirates

Hello! If the discussion on the talk page indicates that that solution would be favorable, then the page would be used to describe the entire franchise; instead of using a bulleted list, the article would provide information on the rides, the adaptations to movies, and the basis of the whole franchise. Again, though, we should wait until the discussion has reached an agreement before proceeding. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 23:28, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More 2000 AD stuff

Good work there - the Nikolai Dante entry is looking pretty solid now - I'll dig out the information on the collections/trade paperbacks and drop them in. Norts and Southers need more of the same - more famous characters and what they did, some more background on them, their different styles o war and I was thinking it might be really handy to add a simple Black and White version of their insignia. For someone who can draw (i.e. not me ;) ) it shouldn't be too difficult just basic shapes and the like. If that seems a good idea and we don't any volunteers here then we could find someone to do it over on the 2000 AD forums. (Emperor 16:50, 4 August 2006 (UTC))

The Norts and Southers entries look really good now - nice work. The Volgan insignia? Hmm I'm thinking it might be a skull.

Future articles to work on? Friday (comics) and Nu-Earth could do with some more work - biography for the former and places and any other info for the latter. Other than that there are the Judge Dredd epics listed on that entry (with regrad to my note below I had a look around and there is a "Batman storylines" category so a "Judge Dredd storylines" has precedent) and then the various entries that are listed on the to do list on the 2000 AD talk page. (Emperor 16:29, 7 August 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Judge Dredd categories

Looking down the list in the Judge Dredd category (and refering to previous discussion) it strikes me we need two categories: "Judge Dredd locations" and "Judge Dredd storylines". I had suggested "Mega Cities" for the former but there are things like Cursed Earth and Undercity (Judge Dredd) which wouldn't fit so comfortably in that category. Thoughts? (Emperor 01:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Insignia

I'll keep an eye on the discussion (it might have helped if you'd given a bit of background first ;) ) and if we can get some good large clear pictures of the insignia I'll see what I can mock up in Photoshop as it is better to go with an original thing rather than using copyright content all the time. (Emperor 16:32, 9 August 2006 (UTC))

OK thanks for the reference material - I went and grabbed some more just to make sure of the variability and I've knocked up the ones for the Norts and the Southers and they work pretty nicely (if I must say so myself). The Volgans one is going to be trickier and I'm going to have to search around for more examples so I can get it 100% as it is going to take a lot more fiddling it will take a while longer but that is a good start. Thanks again. (Emperor 20:10, 10 August 2006 (UTC))

I'm unsure why you reduced the size of the Nort insignia - it makes sense to have them both the same size and changing it to 160px seems rather arbitary (Emperor 21:39, 10 August 2006 (UTC))

The problem is that it all depends on one's screen resolution, the size of your browser window and the amount of text that is in the first paragraph. It looks fine to me for example - the best fix is adding more content to the start as changing the image size so it looks OK to you only really works for you and people with a similar setup. If, when the entry is fleshed out and it is still causing problems for the most common screen resolution then we can look into it. (Emperor 12:15, 11 August 2006 (UTC))

Yeah I'm trying to find a larger version of the insignia as there is little detail to work with. I'll keep nooddling away with it and see what I can come up with but I'm a bit snowed under (Emperor 16:19, 14 August 2006 (UTC))

Actually I just saw the cleaned up versions and that might be doable. (Emperor 16:24, 14 August 2006 (UTC))

The image you uploaded still looks pretty scuzzy (I also don't think you can use that license). Larger versions were posted on the 2000 AD forum and I made the following from them [3] and [4] - I think the larger one is too fuzzy but the first one should do. At least until someone comes up with something better. (Emperor 17:08, 14 August 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Volgans

I have no text or images that Volgans occur in. Sorry. Anthony Appleyard 17:44, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I'd need to dig out the relevant issues and don't really have the time for the next couple of weeks. However, as there has been a suggestion that the 2000 AD entry aim for Featured Article I was thinking that I start a thread on the 2000 AD forums covering 2000 AD at Wikipedia so we don't have to keep starting specific threads with requests for help. I'm busy now but will start it later this evening and throw the link in here. Keep up the good work. (Emperor 19:19, 30 August 2006 (UTC))

OK I started a general thread over on the 2000 AD forum [5] (Emperor 00:01, 31 August 2006 (UTC))

It might work OK for illustarting the piece although there may be other better covers I'd need to nose around. The insignia there is no larger than the one we have and when its shrunk down might not be noticeable. We can use them both though - possibly align the insignia to the right further down the page? (Emperor 17:36, 31 August 2006 (UTC))

Thanks for the email - as I say the actual insignia is no bigger than the one we have. The best option is to move the insignia down the page and upload the cover of EE #3 (I had a look around and its the best one) and the main image for that page. (Emperor 14:46, 1 September 2006 (UTC))

What main image? My point exactly. Indigo Prime, Really & Truly, Lobster Random, etc., etc. all have a main image illustrating the main characters and/or important features. The cover of EE #3 would make the best main image for the Volgns entry. The insignia can be mved down the page. (Emperor 15:37, 1 September 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Survey about merging Battlestar Galactica articles

Hi, feel free to provide your input at the survey: [6] Dionyseus 07:39, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Blade: Trinity Question

That's actually not a bad idea. It'll give the readers more detailed info and show the difference between Drake and Marvel's Dracula.--The Scourge 21:20, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tiny stubs

I'm not sure tiny stubs like Banzai Battalion are useful. Can these be discussed in the main article? I'm turning these into redirects for now. Friday (talk) 16:01, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll get this (and Go-Machine) sorted out but if you are creating stubs you really need to put something in there or there is no reason for it (other than anotch on a bed post of articles started). (Emperor 17:39, 31 August 2006 (UTC))

[edit] The VC's

Thanks for pointing that out. I'll have a little look and see if I can do anything. Cheers! Smithy 23:26, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I am a bit tied up at the moment but I suspect someone will come through for you on the Polity (Emperor 13:46, 22 September 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Robin Hood

I never really see the point in creating microstubs that won't get updated for weeks or months. If there's enough information to create them, they'll be created eventually. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 14:07, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree with khaosworks on this one. Perhaps for the moment, anything particularly useful or interesting that comes up in the series can be added to the main pages on the original characters, as many of these already have notes about portrayals in film and television. Angmering 17:26, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2000 AD Universe up for deletion

2000 AD Universe has been put up for deletion - we'd appreciate input on the discussion to gain as balanced a view as possible (Emperor 22:01, 19 September 2006 (UTC))