Talk:Sexual orientation and military service
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The title of this page is kind of clunky. -Branddobbe 07:43, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
Naah. It's just fine. Dveej 06:56, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] How do they check
How do the Italian, Litzburgish etc armies find out of someone is gay?
[edit] Sources
- Anybody want to, uh, attach sources to all of this? --Penta 22:14, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Russia
- gays with their sexual identity problems would be drafted only in wartime. Well adjusted gays are OK.
What exactly is a well adjusted gay and a gay with sexual identity problems? Nil Einne 14:38, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
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- In Russia, those alleged to have "sexual identity problems" are to be drafted only during wartime. "Well adjusted gays" are permitted to serve in a normal capacity.
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- Obviously, this isn't a permanent fix, and I've yet to find a source for this information. Bhumiya 03:15, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] "Countries that allow homosexual people to serve openly"
The section should be renamed since in some countries (e.g. Czech Republic) it simply doesn't matter and it may not explicitly mentioned in laws or regulations. Pavel Vozenilek 03:10, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Ireland is listed in the non-discrimatory list. However, the Irish have a historic policy of prosecuting gays and although no-one has been prosocuted recently, no offical policy statement in favour of LGBT participation has been issued. Maybe Ireland fits better under dont ask, don't tell?
[edit] Links to sources of info about LGBTs serving in the military of each country
That's the longest subject I have ever written! But I think that this article would be even better if there were sources for each country's policy, and better yet if there were also links to personal stories/anecdotes about LGBTs who have served or are serving now. I realize that personal stories and anecdotes are stretching the purview of an encyclopedia; however if you think about it, such stories are indeed relevant to the topic. Perhaps in order to avoid too much NPOV controversy such stories and anecdotes could be listed in a section like "External Links"?
And on a related tangential note: Many of us LGBTs use things like Wikipedia in order to find out about other LGBTs in the world, to break through our isolation and to find out what is happening with people like us in other countries and in our own countries. I know that sexual orientation is a divisive topic, and in fact there have been talk page edit wars between people seeking to remove references to homosexuality from an article and people wishing to keep such references in (I am thinking about the Vladimir Horowitz article, for example). Maybe some wise admin could start a discussion somewhere about this (sorry if they already have and I didn't know)... I don't want to be divisive, but at the same time I don't want to submit to what seems to me to be unfair and NPOV bias against LGBTs. Dveej 07:09, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Duplication
Almost all of the United States' history section is a straight copy and paste from the "Don't ask, don'ttell article. Freddie42 07:06, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
- It's also far, far too long. Imagine an equivalent of that for Britain, France, Russia...! If a piece of that length really is justified apart from the Don't ask, don't tell article then it should be broken out from this article and moved to something like Sexual orientation in the United States military. Loganberry (Talk) 03:56, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] China?
The beginning of the article states that China does not allow homosexuals to serve openly, but it is not mentioned for the rest of the article--neither in the "ban" section nor the "Other policies" section. Can anyone provide more information?
