Talk:Sexual intercourse
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[edit] Archive -- Start a new discussion
[edit] Merge proposal
There's been some fairly tense discussion in Premarital sex regarding the state of that article, Fornication, and Extramarital sex. Since it's all coming down to article title name, i'm recommending that all of those articles be merged into the morality and legality section of this article, and that the participants in those debates help on cleaning up that section rather than an endless proliferation of redundant or meaningless stubs. Thoughts? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JFQ (talk • contribs) .
A note to editors here: there is already a proposal (partially sponsored by myself) to merge Fornication and Premarital sex into Extramarital sex; this discussion hasn't been formally closed that I am aware of. My opinion would be that the main article on Sexual intercourse is already getting too large, but the consensus on the notability (or lack thereof) of the material in these small articles hasn't really been established. Please read the talk pages of these articles for more of the story of these ongoing debates. Cheers, Kasreyn 10:01, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Premarital and Extramarital Sex should not be merged based on the simple fact of the ages of people who may be concerned here. A 17 year old who has sex, is obviously having premaritl sex but not extramarital sex. For this reason (and many others which involve the MAJORITY of Americans who ARE NOT married) these articles should remain seperate.
[edit] Recently added paragraph on "overstretching"
This was recently added:
- Overstretching is extremely painful, this generally occurs when the males penis has a to big circumfrence or in a rape situation when the female is not in a position to withdraw the penis from the vagina therefore releaving the vagina of the immence pain. Overstreching of the vagina can lead to swollen vaginal tissue and in some of the worst & most horrid cases, infection.
I've moved it here because it needs to be copy edited and sourced. --Tony Sidaway 17:12, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Penetration of the hardened erect penis
To someone who speak british-english, this says that the penentration is performed TO the Penis.
I would perfer "penetration BY the hardened erect penis".
--Charlesknight 08:03, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Indeed. It has the same meaning in American-English as well. Atom 11:46, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
OK taretone has reverted it so it reads Penetration of the hardened erect penis is also known as intromission, or by the Latin name immissio penis.
Atom changed it to Penetration by the hardened erect penis is also known as intromission, or by the Latin name immissio penis.
The first one seems to suggest that the Penis is being penetrated and the second that the penis is performing the penetration. Therefore I would say that the second makes more sense in the context of the article. --Charlesknight 12:48, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] POV Sections
The Catholic and Protestant sections only list negative views of the churches wrt sex. Christians view sex as a sacred charge and it is a positive thing when done properly. This needs to be fixed.
Also, it's said, cant find the proper citation, in some christian religions, that, as it is associated with joy and pleasure, it shoudl be still within mariige bounds. I guess it woudl be best to merge moral discussion from both premartial and exmartial sex, leaving just the definition there.
-
- The section on Protestantism is next to worthless, due to the wide spectrum of protestant churches. While it doesn't say anything technically wrong, the actual text is relevant only for those groups that use these texts and says nothing about how it is interpreted for actual daily life. --OliverH 15:33, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Photograph Of Sex
All this article has is sketchs of people having sex. I think we need a photograph of a couple engaging in sexual intercourse. What does any one else say? matt wilson 19:08, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
- This issue has been discussed before and so far the consensus has always been that drawings are more appropriate for a scholarly work such as our, for a variety of reasons. This remains my view, certainly. I encourage you to read through the archives for the past discussion. Johntex\talk 19:29, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
So what your saying is drawings are better than photographs and we should delete all photos on Wikipedia and replace them with sketchs. No disrespect, but thats stupid matt wilson 03:00, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
- For images of explicit sexual acts, yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. What would be "stupid" would be to blindly plunge ahead adding lots of full-color photographs to articles like creampie (sexual act) or autofellatio or Meatholes without considering the broader consequences to the reputation of the project. Johntex\talk 12:03, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
See guidelines work-in-progress at dia:WikiProject Sexology and sexuality/WIP-image-guidelines. Please note: 7. Artwork is preferred over photographs. Atom 22:25, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
It also needs gays' and bisexuals' pictures. As it is now, it is fairly heterosexist (which is a POV) Towsonu2003 20:56, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
For a photo I can take a picture of me and my girlfriend having sex and put it on here. Can I? I will take the picture tonight and post it tommorrow. 75.109.101.139 17:20, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
I have taken the photo of me and my girlfriend having sex, I just need to know how to post it so someone help me. post it 75.109.101.139 03:01, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
- Hold your horses, have you explained to your girlfriend exactly what your doing and the implications of it? Nil Einne 22:40, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
- You need to be able to document your and your girlfriends ages and that you are giving permission for the pictures to be used and put in the public domain. You should know that on most sexuality articles we prohibit what are called "vanity images". Pretty much, if an image is not asked for by the editors of the article, it probably will be considered to be such a vanity image. Atom 23:02, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
It is a clear image and will be fit for the site. Im 20 and my girlfriend is 14. 75.109.101.139 23:44, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Ah! Well, you might take a look at Age of consent. Also, Child_pornography#United_States as those kinds of pictures of teenagers under the age of 18 are illegal in the U.S. Atom 00:00, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Im not going to tell her. It will be a suprise. And what is "age of concent" ? 75.109.101.139 00:25, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, how very Christian of you. Taking a picture of your girlfriend, while you were having sex, without her knowing? Lol, firstly if you are a true Christian, you can't have sex with her 'till your married. But back on subject, I do not think we are having any photos here, especially not some crude one of you having sex with your supposed girlfriend. And finally, to upload photos, I think you need to be a member. I can't be bothered to sign out and check if that's true though. Age of consent is the minimum age at which two people can have sex. As your 'girlfriend' is 14, I'm taking that that is quite illigal. The Haunted Angel (The Forest Whispers My Name) 21:05, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
- I laud your motives, but I wonder what Christianity has to do with anything here? I don't recall 75.109.101.139 ever mentioning his religious persuasion. Kasreyn 06:13, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- 75.etc, do not post such an image. I can guarantee that it will not only be speedily deleted, but continued uploading of such material may result in your permanent banning from the project. It's already happened once - and that was to someone much more well-spoken who had a much stronger case to argue than you. I urge you to desist instantly. Cheers, Kasreyn 06:13, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
75.109.101.139 has vandalised my user page, Haunted Angels user page and blanked articles because he thinks there non Christian. He says Wikipedia should be 100% Christian, and evrything thats a sin should be deleted. H.J. Bellamy 23:01, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
What user was banned for such images H.J. Bellamy 04:17, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I agree that a picture of sex is not appropriate in this format, sketches are perfectly fine. Pictures should be reserved for better sex web sites that have the proper 2257 model release forms that abide by Title 18 and provide the required disclaimers. Example of such a site is http://www.HolisticWisdom.com. Please be warned that while that example is a sex education site, it does contain sexually explicit photos in some of the sexual health related articles. They have a disclaimer as well as model releases that are necessary for display on the web which is essential in posting such pictures.
[edit] Removal of religion
A user has twice removed the entry on Wicca. I am not sure why. Pagans and Wiccans views are just as relevent and important as other religions. The view that Wiccans have that sexuality is sacred may be inconvenient or uncomfortable for conservative christian types, but we need to respect, and allow all views, not remove the views of religions that we don't agree with. Atom 23:21, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
- I kind of wonder why more religions aren't covered. Surely there are more Mormons than neopagans, yet we don't cover Mormon views. How about Shinto? And so on and so forth. Kasreyn 06:43, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
- Well, I guess in accordance with NPOV we allow people to put their views in when they are factual and not just opinion. Someone Wiccan/Neopagan added their view and Mormons didn't. Also, the christian view is covered, which mormons are a subset of. SO, I agree with you in the context that we need more people to add their religious view if it is distinct. Atom 12:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Bricker Amendment
why does "Bricker Amendment" redirect to this article??
[edit] Teddy Bear in Missionary Position Sketch
I think having the teddy bear in the sketch of the Missionary Position is creepy and was inserted by someone who has thoughts about sexual acts with young girls. I see from the history that the teddy bear have been added and removed a few times, thus there are probably people out there who think like me. I do agree with the sketchs, but please remove the teddy bear. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 205.251.172.221 (talk) 15:56, 6 December 2006 (UTC).
[edit] Wicca dispute
I first came across this in the Masturbation article. One thing I noticed is that it was exactly copied from this article. First off, Doreen Valiente wrote the Charge of the Goddess. Second, not -all- Wiccans practice the Great Rite, but there are several that do so symbolically. I really think that an expert on this, someone more qualified than me, to really go through this section and clean it up. Disinclination 04:55, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Heterosexist Claptrap
Sexual intercourse should not be so narrowly defined. This article should be renamed "opposite-sex sexual intercourse" or be expanded to include all kinds of intercourse. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.14.36.126 (talk • contribs) 19:31, 2006 December 11 (UTC)
- Your post might possibly be taken more seriously if you would
- Post at the bottom of the page instead of the top.
- Sign your post with ~~~~ as requested by the instructions.
- Not begin your post with an inflamatory title.
- Possibly. No guarantees, but it would be a good start. Johntex\talk 03:48, 12 December 2006 (UTC)