Talk:Seuna Yadavas of Devagiri
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 |
This article is within the scope of WikiProject India, which aims to improve Wikipedia's coverage of India-related topics. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page. |
| ??? | This article has not yet received a rating on the quality scale. |
|
More information about this article...
|
|
[edit] Kannadi marketing
This article is another case of Kannadi marketing.Plz see the article for how Kannada is being glorified against Marathi and Sanskrit.I will be shortly getting reference to end up this Kannadisation for I am pretty sure about the Yadavas and Marathi being official language during their reign.Merging Yadavs with Seuns is infact unwarrented.
If I rememeber this article is about 2-3rd in row including Rashtrakuta Vijayanagara_empire.This is very disguisting.Few users are deliberately moulding history to satisfy their lingual fanaticsm.They are well-equiped with nonsense and crappy sources like that of Kannadi fanatic Mr.Kamath.Nonetheless,I am sure I shall be getting a good citation to wipe out this utter nonsense which endorses karnataka. Mahawiki 08:08, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Nothing disgusting about History if you open your eyesDineshkannambadi 14:23, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
There is nothing disgusting nor is their any Kannadaization of this article as you claim. Read books and then talk. People without knowledge or the habit of acquiring it should not post blatant comments. All info has been sourced from reliable reference source which has been provided. In fact I intend to work on this next more closely , with an additional source (scholarly ofcourse). Your lack of historiacal knowledge is your loss. If you try to remove any material without arbitration, you will find youself in a soup and quit cribbing about Vijayanagar empire, you cant do anything there. I am fully sourced from 4 different sources of research.
Dinesh KAnnambadi
Dear Dinesh, Keep these article with u.And stop swearing by that foolish books written by illiterate and ignorant Kannadi writers.I am starting to develop Yadava article soon,so continue with ur lies here.Yadav article should not be redirected here.
And get this in ur head-if u dont stop ur moronic Kannadi sermons I am myself gonna go to arbiteration.And u will see that.Ok Rashtrakutas and Vijayanagara empire was Kannadi but YADAVS being Kannadi????Are u for real?And yes call ur friend Sarvagnya too..by this u have only expressed ur 'insecurity' .No more moulding of history please.And yeah trash that kamats books.Dont think that u can hide the glorious past of Maharashtrians. Mahawiki 14:41, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Maharashtra history is intimately tied to Karnataka History129.42.208.182 15:02, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
The day you guys realise this, much of the disputes will go away. Unfortunately as I have stated earlier, politicials and false history propaganda machinery has I believe hidden much of real history from Indians. I am not saying this with malice against any particular state.
Regarding the Yadavas or Seunas, remember that they were feudatories first of the Rashtrakuta (late period of Rashtrakuta) and all the way thru the Kalyani Chalukya rule before declaring independence. I have quoted the names of the Kannada scholars in the Suena court, their works etc. I have also given balanced info about the arrival of Marathi literature only because thats what the source says. I have done this without any prejudice or personal gains. Its upto you to see this with an open mind. Feel free to bring other sources. In fact I can quote you a source other then Kamath (Since you hate him). Please take time to read history first and discuss and Tag. Creating alternate pages for the same topic based on challenge and ego is not acceptable to either history or probably wikipedia.
Dinesh Kannambadi
[edit] InsecurityDineshkannambadi 15:33, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Forgot to log in earlier. Lets not forget you received a similar message from your friend Arya also when he came across the Seuna page.
Dinesh Kannambadi
This is really shameful and embarrassing!U suppose to be well-educated with ur prowess in English still u r acting as Kannadi extremist well equiped with fanatic materials to wage a 'jehad' against other states.Dear Dinesh,open ur mind,get rid of prejudices and READ the article very carefully.Ask ur conscience havent u being partial?Havent u glorified Kannada languages against Marathi?
I am gonna buy some encyplopedia cds to shut every fanatics mouth here!In fact I end this discussion here since there's no need for redirection of Yadavas to Seuna.So continue ur Kannadi fanaticsm here and mind u,dont even think of degrading Maharashtra's histroy from now onwards... Jai Maharashtra
Mahawiki 08:39, 26 September 2006 (UTC) BTW I take ur comments that Maharashtra history is tied to K'taka very lightly as one who says Vihayanagara, Rashtrakutas, Chalukyas, Mughals(?) are Kannadis, all Maharashtrians are actually Kannadis, Shivaji Maharaj is a Kannadi, Kannadi is the old and Marathi has evolved from Kannada and Konkani,Kannadi kavi Pipes and Pump's have enriched Kannada to make it a claasical language blah blah blah!!!!U know what ur blabbering isnt amusing anymore,it counts to cultural terrorism...accept Islam or else...Oh yeah in ur case say Kannadi is best else...! Mahawiki 08:39, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Unfortunate Bias
It is really unfortunate how this article has been developed into a Kannadi-propaganda advertisement. Dinesh has really Kannadized each and every article.I mean how much more glory doth you seek ? Those who ride on others achievement never really win. They are looooosers. I hope you are not one of them. Tomorrow you will say Shivaji was Kannadi, the whole Maratha Empire was Kannadi. In fact Maharashtra is Kannadi. Isn't it ?
By the way, I still remember your comment on the Belgaon talk page. You said - Vijayanagara and other Kannadi Empires were great and Maratha Empire wasnt great. Well, there was no Kannadi Empire at all. Those were small kingdoms. You know an Empire needs to be Imperial. Marathas were imperial. None of your Kannadi "empires" were imperial. So stop glorifying Kannadi. It doesn't deserve to be glorified, you know !!!!
-AryaRajyaमहाराष्ट्र 09:14, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Common historyDineshkannambadi 13:14, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
When I said the history of Karnataka and Maharashtra are tied together, it was meant to be a Phylosophical statement to help develop friendship and appreciate history and discard acrimony. It was not meant to be a derogatory statement. I would not take it as one if the same statement had come from one of you guys. Infact, India is a product of a Sum Contribution and thats what I was trying to emphasise on. Being neighbouring states, this is all the more true. Did you know that Purandaradasa, father of carnatic music was born in Pandharapur, Maharashtra. Dont we consider him our own?. I did not realise that being tied to Kannadis was such an offence to you guys. However whatever may be your reaction, I intend to complete this page in detail from other sources. There are always people who acknowledge and others who dont. Also, regarding my article on Belgaum page, I have always regretted having written that.
Dinesh Kannambadi
Well dont present urself as liberal and neutral editor.The article speaks in volumes about what u think of 'younger languages'!Now that u gave examples of Purandaradasa,lemme answer u with Bhimsen Joshi, Rekha Rao,Surekha Kudachi, Gangubai Hangal, Girish Karnad, U.R Ananthamoorthy, Narayana Murthy..Among these Bhimsen Joshi,Sorekha Kudachi and Rekha Rao have completely adapted to us.Pt.Joshi is considered more Maharashtrian than a Kannadi.His son doesnt even know Kannada,he is respected so much here,he is even awarded with Maharashtra-Ratna.Rekha Rao and Surekha Kudachi being popular actresses in Marathi Cinema others in the above list are widely accepted and 'looked upto' here.Narayana Murthy,yes the same man who started and starred in 'Bangalore IT revolution' started his career in Pune!Novels of U.R.Krushnamurthy,Shivram Karanth and Bhairappa are equally popular here.So now u see how friendly and big-hearted we Maharashtrians are. So what we really mind is ur imposition of Kannadi influence everywhere.Ur attitude and kannadisation of each and every possible article is disguisting.U r only inviting disrespect for u and ur state.Try to be U.R.Krishnamoorthy and not Vatal Nagrajan. Mahawiki 14:02, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Dont Show Off National Integration
Kannadabadi, you are not doing anything except nautanki. Where did your friendship go when you write "..While Sanskrit and Kannada were in official usage from the begining of their rule, the later part of their rule saw the rise of Marathi as an important language of literature.". Why ? Wasn't Marathi the court language ie the official language. The why is it not mentioned ? It is another thing that Kannada was never the official language of Yadavas. But even if once, let us say that what you say is true, then why didn't you mention Marathi ?!?!? Again, in the literature section and almost everywhere, Marathi is mentioned last. When Maharashtri Prakrit is the most widely spoken language of the region how can it not be mentioned in the article ? This reeks of extreme lingual fanaticism. Don't try to act too smart. Your friendliness and good faith towards Marathi has been trashed by your own comments on Belgaon talkpage.
-AryaRajyaमहाराष्ट्र 13:21, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Absolutely!Its very unfortunate and painful to see such shameless bias and prejudice against Marathi.I condemn it in strongest words possible.what a loser might be one who thinks by degrading other's language and history he will glorify his language and history.Utter nonsense.It is even bad than vandalism.Mahawiki 14:06, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] merge rationale
Please see Talk:Yadava Dynasty#Merge. utcursch | talk 11:29, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Merge
Any attempt to merge this page with Yadava dynasty page without broad consensus and any attempt to remove any material regarding Kannada on thsi page will go for arbitration. Please be adviced.
Dineshkannambadi
- There is no attempt to merge the page without broad consensus, and no material regarding Kannada has been removed.utcursch | talk 08:50, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] decency
Please have the decency to intimate the person (myself) who has taken the trouble to put together this page before making large scale modifications and [citation needed] tags. I understand we all have the right to make edits, but that does not mean you get together and just start doing things because it suits you. The least one of you could do (not the two illmannered guys Mahawiki and Arya Raajya whatever...) is intimate me so I could be involved. After all, there is nothing you guys can do to disprove the facts I have put there.
Dineshkannambadi
Dinesh enough!Ur pseudohistory does not hold any place here.Morever plz be adviced that u or me dont own any article here.So it will be nice if u stop hiding the history using fictious books by Mr.kamath!Morever first try to find out who's doing the edits before u cry foul or go to ur dear friend sarvagnya for help! Mahawiki 03:16, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] intimated admin
I have gone ahead and intimated Blnguyen, the admin, of behind the scenes edits that have taken place over the last day or two without discussion. Any attempt to do any reverts will bring in more admins if necessaryDineshkannambadi 01:58, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
dineshkannambadi
Sure. Mahawiki 03:13, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Seuna vs Yadava
Let me first explain why the name "Seuna" was used. The word Yadava has a caste connotation. There are no shortage of kingdoms whose kings come from the Yadava clan. look at the book:Yadavas Through the Ages--from ancient period to date/J.N. Singh Yadav. 1992. It claims there are so many kingdoms whose kings were Yadavas. So calling Seunas as Yadavas does not make them unique. Of course you could call them "Yadavas of Devgiri" but even that is not really accurate because there are other Yadavas like Satavahana-Yadavas who also ruled the same areas. I understand Muslim writers called them Yadavas, but my source said most inscriptions called them Seunas. That was the reason I called the page Seuna. It has no Kannada connotation to it.
Also, I have gone ahead, revertde and provided citation for all the fancifull [citation needed] put in there. Now we can start from the begining and see what is ok and what is not OK.
Dineshkannambadi
The fancifull fact tags were placed by a responsible person.I or arya did not put it.Walk before u run,dear Kannambadi. Mahawiki 03:18, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] walk before you run
Read the book. All references have been provided. It does not matter who changed it. We all make mistakes.
Dineshkannambadi
[edit] Seuna merge
Seuna Yadavas of Devagiri sounds fine to me.
Dineshkannambadi
According to me Yadava_dynasty is ok.Seuna can be directed to this page.There is nothing called Seuna Yadavas of Devagiri. Mahawiki 05:22, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] citations
Sir, I have reverted back to your version but added my citations to the places where you put {{fact}. You have asked me Which research? for many points on the page. Sir, I think this is a question best asked to Dr. Kamath himself. I have merely quoted the scholar himself thats all. If you ask me which research, am I supposed to ask Dr. Kamath, which research?? We are supposed to trust our historians to some extent otherwise Dr. Kamath would not be given a Sahitya Academy award for this origianl work in 1973.
I hope you understand my point.
Dineshkannambadi
Dr.Kamat is perhaps a fiction writer and few editors are cleverly using his book to push their state's POV.Kamath is a Karnataka historian and according to me he has zero credibility.He getting Sahitya academy award is immaterial because many editors have contested the validity of so-called research by Mr.Kamath and its usage in wikipedia.See talk pages of Vijayanagara_empire and Krishnadevaraya.It is sad that these articles are also been infested by by citations of this writer. Mahawiki 05:16, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] communicate when communicated with
I am communicating with the admin. Please refrain from making silly, uneducated statements in between. Your anti - Kannada prejudice is showing.
Dineshkannambadi
It is not addressed to u.Also learn to sign ur comments by 4 ~s.That too at the end of ur post. Mahawiki 09:30, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
