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[edit] General editing

I'm going to start sorting the profiles into their variations in order in compliance with AMP's guidelines. This may include moving around things, and making it look like I did a ton of edits. I assure you I will try my best to not delete info from this unless I'm pretty sure it's unsupported and then I'll bring it up here. If you have a gripe with an edit, or think I deleted something, please don't hesitate to bring it up, but for the stuff I delete, I need some sort of episode support or act or interview support for it. I won't accept 3rd party sources, such as fan pages. (Manga, Anime, Dub, Musical, Sera Myu) I'll be adding one quote from the manga from Chibiusa to cover what was discussed above, without getting into a debate if she's a different person, just to state her form, height and appearance changed significantly. Any other stuff you can put up for discussion and debate. --Hitsuji Kinno 19:18, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Two notes! One is that the Materials Collection says "On the future Earth time travel is forbidden." What do you make of that? Seems like an odd distinction.
Second, I /like/ the stuff explaining their uniforms. :P Maybe it just needs a better location and a different level of specificity, but I think it's great. (Also, I'm going to remove your "catering to the blind" thing, since as far as I know WP does in fact try to be accessible to screen-readers and such. Which means the blind are in fact potential readers, which means that's no reason to remove the descriptions.) --Masamage 19:51, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Then the descriptions need to be better handled and not just thrown in haphazardly. I'll give you a run down example of my gripe with the descriptions.
Sailor Pluto's first form shows up in Sailor Moon R, she wears a black sailor collar, skirt and a choker with a red jewel on it. She has green hair and ruby eyes. Her boots are knee-high and she has dark skin.
However, after she died in the manga version only, she grew to be taller than Haruka, was generally stronger, had more presence than before and eventually donned a new uniform. This new uniform had a black bow, a black sailor collar and a pair of black boots, also knee high. The broach is dark red and the back bow is longer with the tails reaching the middle of her knees.
The last form has her with kind of a green-ginger hair, and tall, with red eyes, wearing a double skirt uniform. It has a star theme to it, with a black skirt, a gray underskirt, white boots with v top, black ribbon lining it, and a black choker in a v shape that has a star on it.
So what's my gripe then? My gripe is that it lists the first form in the most undescriptive way possible. So even if there were no pictures, and you are catering to a group that doesn't see the pictures, there is no way they would able to see the characters. It also doesn't run down through any kind of variations. The majority of the descriptions are anime-based with little or no reality as to the kinds of pictures drawn for the character. If we really aspire to help those who cannot view the page, then we should actually do so, instead of a manner that really is all together very, very vague. In addition it should cover things like physical changes over time. Ami's hair grew longer, Setsuna's bun lowered, Usagi's hair tails grew longer, the Sailor Suits changed, color schemes varied. If we really want to cater to people who are blind or sight-impaired, then we should be precise, concise, and list the variations over time as well as give a general idea of the rendering of the character. As the physical descriptions of the characters are now, they pretty much are useless, subjective or basically lie (Rei's profile, for example said idealized Japanese beauty black hair, when technically from the highlights it's dark, dark purple almost black and in the manga violet). Some person out there is a writer. And some writer can go through the characters and describe them with being subjective without similes and be precise, don't you think? Go through the versions and not just approximate them. Seriously, I can't picture anything with the current descriptions. They can't be an afterthought. They have to be careful and well-thought out so it doesn't look like someone threw them in there just because. --Hitsuji Kinno 03:06, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't think that the only options are "Never ever speak of their physical appearance EVER" or "Go into exhaustive and intricate detail." Sometimes it needs to be mentioned offhand so that we can point something out, such as Chibiusa actually having pink hair, or Lady Serenity having cone-shaped odango, or Haruka having a boyish haircut, or Jupiter being tall for a Japanese girl, or Rei and Michiru being considered extremely beautiful by all who meet them. Also, if you're going to throw around words like "lie" you shouldn't misquote things--the Rei article says she has dark hair, not black hair. --Masamage
Exctly, in the manga, Rei's hair sometimes has a bluish tint to it and Uranus's Hair went from White to Sandy Blonde, we shold be very carful in the way we discribe thingsLego3400: The Sage of Time 03:35, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Outfit

Did anyone else notice her outfit is just a black version of Mercury's original outfit (Manga and PGSM)? Lego3400: The Sage of Time 17:03, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

She doesn't have the shoulder pads and I believe her boots have high-heels, whereas Ami's were flat soled. And weren't her gloves shorter, or was that just Uranus and Neptune? -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 09:26, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Mercury doesn't have shoulder pads, either. --Masamage 19:17, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lead Image

I've been searching for an image that will match the one on Haruka's page so we can finish the set already! It's pathetic that the Outers are suffering... http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/s/sailplut.jpg this one is part of a set that would have to be censored. I don't particularly like this one. (Better than nothing thought) http://www.perryandtsua.com/Sailor_Moon/Sailor_Pluto.jpg this one is also a bit obnoxious, but is part of that set that the Sailor Uranus pic belongs to. Crop it and censor the words... maybe give it a better background? So that's our options. Kind of sad, but better than nothing. --Hitsuji Kinno 05:49, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

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