Talk:Separation barrier

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The Israeli barriers are not along a political boundary...we should not say that they are. OneVoice 15:45, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)

[edit] New EU Fence

The European Union is planning a fence along the eastern boarder of Poland and Hungary. I have seen several news articles about this but can find nothing on the EU site. http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=823974&fid=942

[edit] Neologism?

It is not clear from this definition how a "separation barrier" is meant to differ from any other defended border. I am concerned that this article might be a neologism in the sense in which it is being used. It seems clear that the newer wall/fence being built by the Israelis is being called the "separation barrier" by many (including the Israeli government), and googling on it gets tens of thousands of hits. But excluding "Israel" and "Israeli" from the search drops the hits down to just 849 - of which every link on the first three pages (after which I got sick of checking in detail) is either:

• still about Israel, just happens not to include the term
• a mirror of one of our articles
• a completely unrelated article which just happened to use the phrase (e.g. a fire safety product); or
• doesn't actually include the phrase at all.

Further, the term "security fence" has a common meaning which has nothing to do with borders. Next, several of the example "separation barriers" are conventionally understood as being military defenses rather than meeting the definition provided here. And finally, the page is a list, not an article.

This page should probably be moved to List of fortified borders or something like that, and then this page redirected to Israeli security barrier as Kingturtle originally had it. On the other hand, sticking my hand into the tarpit that is Wikipedia Israel/Palestine articles probably risks my Wikisanity. Securiger 12:36, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Merge with Defensive wall

===>Largely identical articles The scope and content of both largely overlap. I don't know which should redirect to the other, though. I'm inclined to say "separation barrier" should be the main article, as not all of these are strictly built for defense, but all walls, by definition, separate. Thoughts? Justin (koavf) 01:29, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

I think merging them would be misleading to the content of this article. Not all defensive walls make a separation border, which is the focus of this article. I think the "Separation barrier" article should be renamed to something like "Defended National Border" or "fortified border" or something. --Kvasir 00:57, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

It looks to me like Defensive walls is more about fortified cities of an earlier era, whereas Separation barrier deals with much longer walls that separate territories and zones. No? //Big Adamsky 07:52, 13 January 2006 (UTC)