Talk:Sentinel (comics)

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[edit] Novmeber 25, 2005; Requested Move: Sentinels (comics) → Sentinel (comics)

As Wikipedia suggests that we avoid plural titles, what should this article be named? Sentinel (comics) cannot be used because it is already an article about the comic book title. --Apostrophe 08:11, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

COMMENT: This is a old comment. I have already moved Sentinel (comics) to Sentinel (comic). --Apostrophe 07:41, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

• RENAME but to Sentinel (X-Men), there are other Sentinels in comics. 132.205.44.134 01:50, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Oppose; There aren't any Sentinels in comics that are as big as the Marvel Comics ones.--DrBat 02:04, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Comment why does that matter? You'd in turn need to disambiguate Sentinels (comics) then, instead of having an unambiguous title. 132.205.44.134 20:14, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

A separate disambig page could be made for other the sentinel comics. As it stands, the robots in Marvel are the most well-known.--DrBat 22:41, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

• Support. Move Sentinel (comics) to Sentinel (comic book) to make way for the move. -Sean Curtin 04:47, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright

Do we specifically have permission to use the copyrighted image that is on this article's page? We may well do, so I am asking here before marking this as a potential copyright violation. --Yamla 20:57, 2005 Jun 16 (UTC)

Specific permission is not necessary because our use falls under fair use. Not all unauthorized uses constitute copyright infringement. Under U.S. copyright law, a four-factor balancing test is used to determine whether a particular unauthorized use is considered "fair use", and therefore free from any potential infringement liability, based on the nature of the copyrighted work, the nature of the use, the amount of the original that is copied, and the potential the use has to supplant the commercial value of the original. On Wikipedia, it isn't necessary to go through this analysis for each and every new image that is posted because there are certain categories of image usage that the Wikipedia community has already determined are presumptively safe under fair use. If you look at the description page for Image:Uncanny_X-Men_202.jpg, you'll notice that there is a standard box applied (Template:Comiccover)—this indicates that it is accepted policy on Wikipedia that this particular image use qualifies as fair use. Please note on Wikipedia:Image copyright tags that use of product covers of all kinds—DVDs, CDs, books, etc—are treated as fair use. It is therefore inappropriate to list any image as a copyright violation if there is such a standard template correctly applied; a broader discussion should instead be started to raise questions about the validity of the template, if you have concerns.

As to whether the creation and community approval of the comic book cover fair use template was legally correct, I believe that it is. Though a product cover bears an image that is covered by copyright, our use is purely to refer to that product and to make use of the information contained on it (the visual description of the subject matter of the product). Our use is for academic purposes (though some Wikipedia mirrors may have commercial advertising), and our use is also of a lower resolution copy than the original. Our use of a cover image cannot supplant the commercial value of the product, particularly since covers are generally displayed to the world at large to identify and advertise the product (in other words, no one needs to purchase the product in order to gain the benefit of seeing the cover image). More importantly, covers are not sold independently of their products. If you read through the standard for fair use, you'll see this is a rather solid argument. Postdlf 22:32, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thank you, this completely satisfies me. We clearly do not have a copyright issue here. --Yamla 03:30, 2005 Jun 17 (UTC)

[edit] Age of the Apocalypse

Where can I find pictures of the Sentinels featured in this alternate future. I can remember they look like T-800 Terminators, but with cannons on their shoulders...--Arado 23:26, 30 June 2006 (UTC)