Talk:Secessionism in Western Australia

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[edit] Rename?

Should this article be renamed to Secessionism in Western Australia given it has more to do with the sentiment than an active movement?--cj | talk 03:45, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I think the article has more to do with the movement/s than the sentiment. But, I have no problem with this change. Feel free to do so. -- I@n ≡ talk 10:10, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
I have gone ahead. If someone does object to the new title, I also have no problem with it being returned.--cj | talk 10:23, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lang

There's no mention of the use of his sunday newspaper 'The Independent' for his argument SatuSuro 11:36, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

That's right - I'd forgotten about that. Do yoiu have a ref? -- I@n ≡ talk 03:27, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Petition

One of the three original 1933 secession petitions - the one that went to the House of Lords I think - is apparently on display at the Constitution Centre in West Perth. I'll try to get out there sometime to grab a piccy. -- I@n ≡ talk 03:27, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2006

Can anybody provide reference to the actual articles that suggest secessionism has re-emerged?

I'm not sure that it ever submerged. I can barely recall a period of more than a few years when it wasn't semi-seriously being discussed in the West. But I take your point, the article does need more coverage of the current debate esp with respect to GST funding and the economic rationale. That's something a bit out of my league though, so I'll leave it for others. -- I@n 12:31, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Big problem is the off the cuff mix of pollies, 'leaders of industry et al' and the journos - it would be worth a good honours/masters thesis to trawl the west for its whole history (sigh) or the independent when lang was running his bit, and earlier newspapers long dead - for direct and indirect references to the issue - one way of saying, long before ian or self were around, it bobs up and down like a cork on the froth and bubble of west oz politics - regardless of what any secondary source/historian might say otherwise.  :{ SatuSuro 12:38, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
I would say there is always an under current in WA politics about secession, I'd be suprised if there was more than 12 months between articles appearing in the West since they first started printing, it definately appears more often than daylight saving. As for getting references to west article you need to a paid up net subscriber to get recent information battye library is still 10-15 years behind on micro film copies. There may be something in Aunties archives, when i got spare time I'll see whats lurking. Gnangarra 14:03, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
As a State Records Office of Western Australia user - there just may be some short cuts in there, probably lurking there in august regularly, my time no cost SatuSuro 14:44, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
I can't find any evidence that it was discussed in particular in July 2006 in any major media - the only reference anywhere from that time is a blog article under News.com.au's "Perth Now" website, which attracted just 10 or 11 comments. I did find comments by Norman Moore, Upper House MLC, in September 2005. I vote that this particular section be removed as it cannot be independently verified. Orderinchaos78 01:48, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Quick search of aunties site doesn't throw anything up for July 06 but it does during May 06 from the state branch WA farmers federation, Also Moore's 2005 comments had a run for most of August and September 05. So its definately worthy to be there, also given that Norman Moore is a significant long term figure in mainstream WA politics his comment are also significant. I wont have time during the next week to address this section but after that I'll be able to spend time and get references for now I'll drop a [citation needed] on the section. Gnangarra 02:28, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Can I second the recommendation to delete this section or at least alter the wording substantially? It's full of weasel words : "a perceived grab for power" - perceived by who?; "has lead to several major politicians" - which ones? and what is a 'major' politician? etc. Also there are no refernces, I tried to find some to add but couldn't find a single one. Could this not be better stated along the lines of "some sectors of the WA population expressed discontent... etc" ? --Nickj69 10:20, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to have a crack at rewording the intro as well. It opens well but a bit of parochialism shows through with phrases like "political masters in the east" etc. Feel free to revert if you disagree... --Nickj69 10:28, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Economic Figures?

Given one of the major arguments given in support of secessionism is the economic one, could someone maybe give details on how much WA contributes to the national economy, and a per capita comparison with other states?{{unsigned}144.138.104.64}}

In the modern economy, in per capita terms, Western Australia was the most productive State with a per capita income of $45,277 in 2003-04 compared with the national figure of $39,234.[1]
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