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This page was voted on for deletion at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Sean Kennedy. There was no consensus. dbenbenn | talk 22:32, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

  • Did a bunch of editting to day on the article mainly on changing the order rants and KULT, Organized External Links, Added on to Patrolling and TFTA. There still needs to be a bunch of shows added, as well as an extension of sean's biography, possibly getting a tad more personal...

--Nalos6 19:51, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

  • Perhaps a short description of his on-air persona, as well as his home and lifestyle. --68.49.39.32 00:11, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)


  • i suggest individual sections for each show that sean is and has been involved with. each of these sections would detail what the show was about, sean's role in them, etc. --Klipper 05:23, 2005 Feb 12 (UTC)

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[edit] Relation

How is he related to the 1960's President?? Georgia guy 01:54, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

  • i don't realy think he is... there are plenty of people with "Kennedy" for a last name that aren't related to JFK --Klipper 04:18, 2005 Feb 16 (UTC)

[edit] Misc

  • I suggest that this article be short; Make no mistake, Sean may be worthy of Wikipedia, but let's not push it. "Season 1 of Patrolling....Summer of 2005. " Patrolling is all well and good, but why do we have to mention of it's next season? It may never come? Let's dwell on what Sean has actually done, and not what he would do if the world would let him; If it were the other way around, a quarter of wikipedia would be about Sean alone.Themusicgod1 09:29, Feb 23, 2005 (UTC)
    • heh, i just put that there for information. patrolling s2 is due out this summer... but i see your point. its a wiki after all, so edit it! --Klipper 06:03, 2005 Feb 24 (UTC)
      • The thing is, KULT may have been significant in sktfm's life, but is it significant enough to warrent that much of a percentage of an article? No. I think we need to take more information about sean and put it in the place of this patrolling season 2 which I will soon delete if left to myself. Well, what would be the next most significant thing? Personally, I can't tell because I'm missing about half of the sktfm story; I stopped paying attention to him about mid-2002. The burningman-censored sktfm.tv perhaps? Brainwashing? Something post-2002? I'm going to make an edit today. Feel free to comment/edit over/etc. Themusicgod1 12:56, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)
  • Cleaned up the page a bit grammatically, as well as stylistically. Wikipedia prefers things be in at least a pseudo-news style, therefore I changed all mentions of Sean or Sean K to Kennedy, except where it is the initial mention of him in a section. Created a few subsections in the KULT entry. Also fixed a few malformed links. The page now has a TOC. --CaponeX 08:44, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

This article really should be deleted. It so smacks of self-promotion.

  • It's a good thing Wikipedia doesn't cater to Anonymous Cowards. PS, for all those doubting that Sean's got fans outside of "20 or so of his closest friends", Sean lives in Canada. I live in New York. I know at least fifteen New York residenst who like his stuff, and at least twice as many more who are familiar with it (including the owner of the Internet cafe where I'm writing this post. The guy's name is Tim Blagbrough, the Internet cafe is Technical Support Systems at the Huson Valley Mall in Kingston, NY, the owner's name is Tim Blagbrough, and his email is tim(at)technicalsupportsystems(dot)com, IIRC. Feel free to email him and verify the info). --SpecOp Macavity 16:50, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
    • Response to original: Wikipedia is "The Free Encyclopedia". On top of that, it's hosted on the "Internet". "Internet Celebrity" or no, if I didn't know who Sean Kennedy was, I should be able to come here and find some relevant information. End of discussion, thanks, bye.

[edit] Editing this page

I hate to edit others hard work, so I will say it and give it some time before I do it myself, but this article should be pared down to one paragraph. 1) it reads like an advertisement and I think Sean or a crony wrote this article 2) all these "shows" are just different website portals written by the same person. this article is set up to make this person look more importnant than they really are-this is hardly worthy of encyclopedic note, even with the one Wired reference I saw in the previous discussion. Every internet broadcaster should have an article if this is the standard. I have a weekly radio show with a couple thousand listeners and a website, and I have had a write up in the news-but that is by no means encyclopedic and neither is this. Goferwiki 02:36, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

Mmmm...I agree. Maybe 2 paragraphs: one about Sean, and one about KULT. Bennie Noakes 18:06, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
I would say this too, but I don't think sean's influences are great enough yet to go into their own wikipages. If it was like that then it would be really easy to sum it up in a paragraph or two. --Nalos6 06:09, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
Heh, Nalos...read Goferwiki's post again. He's isn't saying there's not enough stuff---he's saying there's too much. Bennie Noakes 09:37, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
Correction you didn't read my correctly, as of the moment each topic in seans life (I would assume most wikipedians would say) do not deserve their own page. I said that we cannot turn that it into just two paragraphs because there is way to much that would be left unexplained. --Nalos6 14:41, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
Agreed with the parent. In the meanwhile, "Kennedy has so-far written 2 books that he offers for free to download from his site, and has created a post-apocalyptic pseudo-audio-book series entitled Tales from the Afternow (http://theafternow.com)." Is this necessary? Seems to me like all of this is said twice. Themusicgod1 19:24, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
Actually, no. These books have not been published by any recognized pubishing house and thus do not meet Wikipedia's criteria of noteriety. Again, anyone can "publish" free material and host it on their sites, this does not meet the requirements. Most hardcore wikis would submit this page for deletion based on self-promotion. I am trying to be nice and suggest we scale it way back to a paragraph and leave it at that. This person is simply not notable. Goferwiki 09:23, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I am going to go for it :) Goferwiki 09:26, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
At this moment you have completely removed all siginificant information, as for his written works currently one of them has been published. Bloodstained rabbit has just recently got a good proof, and has put in the order for more of them. And this surely isn't self-promotion, for if you've looked through the history logs you will clearly see these are fans writing the information. Personally we should refeer back to an older revision, until someone a bit more qualified cuts down the article w/ siginificant information. --65.11.7.183 14:17, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Where has this book been published? Just because a few fans put up a page, that alone does not qualify someone for a keeper page. For all we know those "fans" could be 20 of this guys closest friends. This is why Wikipedia has criteria for pages outlined. This is suppoed to be somewhat encylopedic. I think this page contains all the critical information. I think if we begin to revert, it becomes a candidate for VfD based on the "not-notable" condition. I am becoming more and more suspicious that this page was started by Sean himself or his organization.Although I wish you success, these papges are not the appropriate avenue for advertisement, as it waters down the credibility of Wikipedia as a whole. I think we can come to a compromise with the working version of the page I have posted. You are welcome to edit it to make it even more consise.Goferwiki 08:58, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

OK, I assume you are going to play revert war? How childsh. Goferwiki 07:11, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Go to irc://chat.othersideirc.net/rantradio there are about 60 - 90 people in there usually they can tell you that sean isn't just some no body. I suggest you do more research on the guy before you think 20 of his closest friends are writing this; all of sean's media is free. His stuff gets thousands of hits each day. It eats up major bandwidth for rantmedia and for many other sites that support his work. So it boggles my mind why you would think this is an advertisement; he surely doesn't make any money for doing an internet radioshow five days a week (Newsreal) which is on RantRadio Talk, 76Radio, Wild Bunch Radio, WNY Media Network, KJAG Radio, Radio306dotcom, Osprey Radio, and ExtremeRadioTampa which don't even hold ADVERTISEMENTS!. If he is on that many stations five days a week I think he is pretty notable. --65.11.7.183 17:27, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion

Since this is going the just be a revert war, and I can see we are not going to come to a encyclopedic version of the article that is not one big advertisement, I put it up for a vote again. I may have not put the right tag on the page, if I did not, can one of my fellow Wikis help me with the proper procedure? I was confused about that. Basically, this is self-promotion and not notable. Futhermore, it is not really encyclopedic. See my earlier comments on the subject and my earlier edit which I thought was a good one before it was reverted.Goferwiki 09:24, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I reverted your vandalism, if you must know. The 'article' you left us with was way too short and left very little detail. this isn't just a big advertisement, kid. If it was, it would be a question of neutrality, not whether or not the page should even exist. I'm fairly certain Sean himself has not edited this, and therefore it is not "self-promotion." Your so-called arguments are pointless and you've presented no reasonable evidence to support your claims. I've also taken the liberty of removing the VfD tag - consensus was not achieved in the previous vote, and until you start making some sense and presenting reasonable evidence to support your points, I will not consider your little vendetta to be anything other than childish whining. - PseudoKroW
i will confirm that Sean neither started, nor encouraged this page. nor has he edited it, i'm sure. he doesn't get in to these things, he just does the shows, chats in the IRC some times, writes his blog, and lives his life. i started this page, and added quite a bit. it has changed a lot since i last edited it, and i'm glad. Sean is a great person... i don't always agree with his opinions, and i think he's rather ignorant to Anarchism, but none the less, he puts out some great media, has a great personality and is almost as well known as Alex Jones! --Acai Yule 15:10, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Protection

I have entered a protection request for this article. -PseudoKroW 17:35 Central Daylight Time 2005-06-24

[edit] Advertising

Interesting. While it may not be "self-promotion", it IS promotion...and thus, advertising. Notice that many of the people working on the Kennedy article don't even have usernames. (Seriously, PseudoKrow, I can see that you just typed that name in there...) If you check out their contributions, it's all to the RantRadio, James O'Brian, etc. related articles. This tells me that their real agenda is to promote RantMedia and Sean Kennedy, not help Wikipedia.

I am a big fan of Sean. And while I think he is "noteworthy" in the "cool stuff" sense, I know that he is not that "noteworthy" in the encyclopedic sense. Unfortunately, it seems like many of his fans cannot be so honest... Come on, guys. Can't somebody tone it down to 2 or 3 paragraphs? Would Sean want you using Wikipedia as a free adspace? --- Bennie Noakes 00:17, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations on your incredible power of observation - you should fight crime! However, I doubt there are many people who'd recognize me by my IP address, and I haven't felt the need to register here. I'd also like to point out that only one paragraph is actually about Sean, the rest is about his works. Are two separate articles in order here? Should the bulk of this article be moved to the rantradio article? Try finding a solution that DOESN'T simply remove the information presented. -PseudoKroW, AKA 24.13.210.46 12:13, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
"I haven't felt the need to register here". That's exactly my point, "PseudoKrow". The reason you haven't felt the need to register is because you aren't here to benefit the wiki, you're here to advertise. Bennie Noakes 21:20, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Use of the word "television show"

Is it disingenious? "Webcast" does not describe them properly, but neither does using the word "television". Perhaps there is a better word to describe SK's series?

- Well, the shows can be classified as 'Internet Television' just as his audio shows can be classed as 'Internet Radio' even though neither of them need to involve a traditional radio or television. The video series can also technically qualify as 'traditional' television as the Patrolling series have been shown on multiple community access TV stations in North America. In either case I have changed the term to a broader description of 'video' series instead of television.

[edit] Sean Attacks Fans, AGAIN

Someone should make note of his recent behavior towards his fans and others. It seems he can't go too long without doing this.

  • As I understand it, he's not attacking fans per se, but the "fans" who claim that their interpretation of what he said is What Sean Really Meant When He Made Statement X. (Mind you, I could be wrong, but that's the impression that I get.) --SpecOp Macavity 15:42, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The picture

Is it my imagination, or is that a stick of celery on his lapel? --SpecOp Macavity 14:52, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scientology critic?

This is mentioned one time but no more info is given. Steve Dufour 04:06, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

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