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Contents 1 Canada's Walk of Fame 2 Helpme 3 The Simpsons Episode Reorganization 4 About Emmy 2006 5 Response. 6 Articles for Deletion: Holophonor and Planet Express Ship 7 Survivor 8 Mr. Plow Edits 9 Trivia 10 Removal of information from your talk page 11 NPOV 12 why? 13 L0b0t 14 Survivor: Cook Islands 15 Canadian rock 16 LOL were both editing 17 Untitled 18 WP:NPA 19 Proposal for managing song lists on Simpsons episodes 20 Hi from Lucifera hammer 21 IHHOF & VaughanWatch sockpuppet 22 Simpsons Movie 23 Crab people 24 The Simpsons vandalism 25 Interim leaders 26 Education in the Simpsons 27 Moe'N'a Lisa 28 List of characters on the Simpsons 29 ref for Marge meeting Homer 30 Guest star references 31 Survivor Cook Islands

[edit] Canada's Walk of Fame

Wow you're fast. -- user:zanimum

[edit] Helpme

Hi, I just have a quick Wikipedia protocal question.

I want to turn this page: List of guest stars on The Simpsons into something like this page: List of South Park episodes with the charts and images of each various thing. However, this would involve somewhere in the neighborhood of 400 images on one page. So, I was wondering what Wikipedias protocal on the matter is. Thanks! ~Scorpion0422

I believe that it is fine if you were to do that, as long as you make sure that if you upload images, you make sure that they have the appropriate licensing. You would want to look at the images in the South Park page to see what I am talking about. --Willy No1lakersfan (Talk - Contribs) 17:07, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm not aware of such a particular protocol or guideline, but from a general web developer's point of view, having so many images on a single page that the page load takes a long time (as is the case with List of South Park episodes) is generally frowned upon. There may also be problems with Wikipedia:Fair use if you overuse fair use images on articles. My advice would be to put the images on the articles themselves, and to improve the list without using visual material. - "Tangotango 17:09, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

You cannot have 400 images on one page, it will not work for people with slow internet connections or slow computers, don't try it. Most importantly, remember that Wikipedia is "the free encyclopedia". We are trying to make free content. The Simpson's screenshots are not free, and possibly illegal (eg the fair use claim in South Park is not necessarily correct). Not using images on the list is the best idea.--Commander Keane 17:18, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Simpsons Episode Reorganization

I'd be glad to help! I've already got done with Season 1 and I'll work my way up. Thanks for the suggestion. --Tuspm ^{(C | @)} 00:21, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] About Emmy 2006

Why are The Simpsons listed as the winners when the awards is the 27th? It hasn't been done yet. And do you know what? I don't think someone tells who won. I'm deleting it from the page now, OK? ivers 16:38, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Response.

I've worked to merge/redirect far more important pages than Frank Grimes. The very idea that Frank Grimes, a character who appears once in the seventeen seasons of Simpsons and is alluded to on a handful of occasions survived a merge debate escapes me. - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:42, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I am a fan of The Simpsons. Old ones, anyway. I'm not blinded by any fanboyism, however, and realize that no matter how recognized he is over other one-shots, he is still not notable enough. - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:47, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Articles for Deletion: Holophonor and Planet Express Ship

As pointed out by Stardust8212, both the Planet Express Ship and Holophonor articles are currently marked for deletion. Your comments thereon would be really appreciated. DrWho42 06:34, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Survivor

I rephrased the note about Nate's "kidnapping" on the Contestants section. I hope you don't mind. Your original note was slightly confusing as it could sound like he rejoined Rarotonga's side when Aitutaki decided to bench him. On a completely different note, thanks for handling all the voting tables and the like. Editing tables is not something I particularly like to do and I'm glad somebody is taking care of it. =) -- Gogo Dodo 06:04, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mr. Plow Edits

I noticed that one of my contributions to the Mr. Plow page was removed by yourself, and after looking into it it seems to have been due to this Trivia Clean Up Project. I would argue against the removal of my specific contribution as Wikipedia was the first place I went to in order to learn what the music from the bridge scene was from. Since there was nothing there, I ended up having to look elsewhere. I think this qualifies as interesting and useful enough information to remain on the page. Furthermore it's not even under Trivia, it's under Cultural References and as such is it not outside the jurisdiction of Trivia cleanup?

I edited it out because it is relatively obscure and is merely a minor reference. However, if you feel it should be on the page, feel free to re-add it. -- Scorpion0422 21:48, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I see. I went ahead and added it again. Thanks.

--Zogundar 19:23, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

Why do you insist on moving information that has been spread out through the article into a single 'trivia' section? Our style guidelines, at WP:AVTRIV and WP:TRIVIA (essay) state we should work to integrate the facts into larger bodies of text.-Localzuk^(talk) 14:33, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of information from your talk page

Your removal of information from this page simply shows that you do not care that consensus is against you and highlights your edits for future analysis to see if you are simply ignoring the community's wishes. So far there have been 2 editors who have objected to your edits and you have not given an adequate response - choosing to remove comments instead. Please visit this page for information about talk page comments. -Localzuk^(talk) 15:59, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I realiuze consensus is against me, and if he made an original post I would have left it. But, that canned response that he uses on every single talk page clutters up my talk page and it really is unnecessary. I hardly see why me reverting edits on my own talk page is worth stirring mud over. -- Scorpion0422 16:08, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

It is not just his comment you removed. It is mine as well. It is 'worth stirring mud over' because it indicates that you do not care what people think about your edits. His response is well thought out and a useful read. This is the world wide web, we do not have a 'limit on space' so a claim that his comment 'clutters up my talk page' is wrong. Simply leave it there and move on.-Localzuk^(talk) 16:25, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

But you see, his response is simply an exact copy of what he puts in every talk page he responds to. I've seen it many times. If anybody should be complaining, it should be him. -- Scorpion0422 16:30, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I hope you at least read the rules and took them to heart before deleting them. I hope we can come to some consensus on this matter. Setting aside your objections to WP:TRIVIA and WP:AVTRIV, these articles are still in violation of WP:OR, WP:V, WP:NOT, WP:EPISODE, and WP:WAF. This is not a case of I don't like the trivia so I'll delete it. I do like the trivia and find some of it usefull but there are rules for inclusion in the encyclopedia and ALL editors have to follow them. If an edit adds something to an article that has not been previously published by a reliable 3rd party source, that edit is original research and will be removed. Again there are many, many, many outlets for fan commentary and analysis but Wikipedia IS NOT one of them. Cheers. L0b0t 16:34, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

You don't seem to get my point. AN episode synopsis is supposed to just be what the episode is about. Integrating the trivia and cultural references clutters up the article. And I'm pretty sure quality is more important than a couple trivia questions. -- Scorpion0422 16:38, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Simply moving them back to the trivia section is not helping though. Instead you should rewrite them so that they do fit in better. WP:AVTRIV is a guideline and as such should be followed unless there is a good reason not to (compared to a policy which should be followed unless there is an exceptional reason not to). You should not be moving things out of the main body of text.-Localzuk^(talk) 16:43, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I do get your point. Quality is important, that's why lists of things are proscribed by WP:NOT, WP:EPISODE, and WP:WAF and this info should be integrated into the article rather than being in seperate cruftmagnet sections. WP:NOT tells us that "Wikipedia articles on works of fiction should contain real-world context and sourced analysis, offering detail on a work's achievements, impact or historical significance, not solely a summary of that work's plot. A plot summary may be appropriate as an aspect of a larger topic." That means that the synopsis needs to contain more than a synopsis, it is the place for the sourced trivia and the allusions to other works, provided that some 3rd party source has already pointed out the allusions. Cheers. L0b0t 16:52, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Alright, THIS is a product of your merge trivia into article mania:

===The Day the Earth Looked Stupid===

Kang and Kodos invade Springfield circa 1938. Unfortunately, the people are slow to react as they just went through a panic caused by Orson Welles' infamous War of the Worlds broadcast. The title is a play on the title of the movie The Day the Earth Stood Still and besides references to Orson Welles' War of the Worlds radio broadcast, it recalls his movie Citizen Kane (parodying Rosebud with nose-bud). The end of the episode provides a critical metaphor of the Iraq War. At one point the script called for Kodos and Kang to look over the smoking ruins of Springfield and say "This sure is a lot like Iraq will be." Fox network didn't have any objection to the line, but it was rejected by some of the writers as too obvious and was cut from broadcast. ^[1] "The Day the Earth Stood Stupid" is also the name of a season 3 episode of Futurama.

How can you possibly think this is better than its current version? That is an unbulleted trivia section, NOT a synopsis. -- Scorpion0422 16:55, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

That's exactly how it should be structured. Plot summary including real-world context and sourced analysis. Why do you find following policy and established style so wrong? L0b0t 17:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

But you see, thats worse than a trivia section. It says everything that is said in one, but its sloppy, takes away from the synopsis and really doesn't do much. If you insist on having it like that, don't call it a synopsis. Call it a "Trivia Section in Disquise" or something. Obviously you've never had to do research, because trivia sections on Wikipedia have helped me in research MANY times. -- Scorpion0422 17:16, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

That is just your stylistic opinion and is contraindicated by established policies and guidelines. If you would have the rules changed to reflect your opinion of what an article should look like, the place to discuss that is here. Also, please do not post your personal assumptions about your fellow editors. You have no more way of knowing about my research habits than I do about your own, so keep it to yourself and please stay on point. Cheers. L0b0t 17:40, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV

Stating that 'grimes is one of the most popular characters' is pure opinion unless it is backed up by e reliable, verifiable source. Please do not re-add it as it would be a breach of those policies/guidelines as well as a breach of our neutrality policy.-Localzuk^(talk) 18:51, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] why?

I see you removed the small paragraph mentioning Frank Grimes from the article List of One Time Characters from The Simpsons. I am asking why. Although he does have his own article, he needs a mention on this list, as he is a one time character.--veon 22:09, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] L0b0t

L0b0t seems to believe in enforcing things overly excessive. He doesn't even allow for things to be reworked as he feels its necessary to just remove everything for the page. Maybe we can all report his abusive editing to at least delay his reactions, as he appears to be ruining and causing chaos on many pages for various shows/episodes 216.177.121.212 16:09, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm all for it because he takes policy too far and you either do things his way or no way. Unfortunately, he does have the rules behind him and reporting him would result to nothing. -- Scorpion0422 16:11, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

It would be more of reporting how he goes about enforcing his actions, leaving no middle ground or chance of editing as he goes in and just removes it all. Also, he is asking for sources on things that are either obvious from watching and would be incredibly hard and sometimes impossible to attempt to source 216.177.121.212 16:25, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, if you can get a few more users on board, I'd be all for it. They can't ignore a complaint against a user if there's several complainees. -- Scorpion0422 16:27, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh there are a lot of people willing to file a complaint, but we dont know of the place to formally do it. any suggestions? 216.177.121.212 16:35, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

No, I'm not familiar with the behind the scenes stuff of Wikipedia. I just edit articles. I suggest asking an admin.

You have to provide sources for your edits. That's the whole point of Wikipedia. People expect that Wikipedia is a reliable source, and without any other external references, how on Earth can they actually know what is made up and what isn't? Adding unsourced information to pages has been proven very detrimental to Wikipedia. See John Seigenthaler Sr. Wikipedia biography controversy. I'm assuming you know what you're talking about when you make those edits to SP:BLU, but would it kill you to add references so inexperienced users would actually know where the material came from? L0b0t is only asking for references in places where references are needed. He is not trying to purposely attack you or anything. Also, you kept saying that someone could just click external links. I doubt all of those external links actually provide references for all the material in the article. Just please follow the format for adding references, and the whole situation will be resolved. Thanks. Nishkid64 19:13, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Survivor: Cook Islands

Hey, in your recent edit to Survivor: Cook Islands you removed the title of the next episode. I accidently reverted that title too but after checking it out [1] it appears legitimate. - Tutmosis 18:46, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Canadian rock

Not sure if you know your 1970s music history Moxy was a big band toured with Trooper, Triumph, Black Sabbath, Boston, Tommy Bolin was on their first album . AC/DC palyed thier first show in north america as the opening act for Moxy in the U.S.A. NOW a band like Toronto or The Demics are just home town bands, any way just my opinion I will leave the page alone , pls read up on MOXY you may change you mind when you see that they have also helped Lee Aaron on her debut album, Also I come from Texas were Moxy is one of Canada.s greatest bands I saw them live in 1977 at any area that was sold out 10,000+ Lucifers hammer 16:47, 23 November 2006 (UTC) have fun tks buddy

No problem nice to talk to an adult for a change, I will do some reading up on candaian rock history at the books store to get the real history and help finish the artical in a few day. again tks for being so professional ever need my vote let me know Lucifers hammer 17:01, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the categorization, please note that Wikipedia categories are for things that are examples of the category name, not for things that are simply related to it. For example, Category:Canadian musical groups should only be applied to articles on things that are musical groups, not things that are what some of those musical groups happen to do. Similarly, only individual musicians should be filed in Category:Canadian musicians. And on, and so forth. Bearcat 17:06, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

NEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ok i am done Canadian rock take a look and do what you wish with the artical. was fun  :-) Lucifers hammer 20:06, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] LOL were both editing

ok i leave it up to you to clean-up sorry if i have made more work for you Canadian rock Lucifers hammer 17:16, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Untitled

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. L0b0t 03:46, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:NPA

Edit summaries like these two need to stop -- please see policy regarding personal attacks, disruption, and please do consider dispute resolution. Going to "war" with other editors rarely ends well for anyone, so please don't try it. Thank you. Luna Santin 09:17, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Likewise, this edit doesn't do much to improve the situation. Please reconsider. Thank you. Luna Santin 09:57, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Not to sound like I'm looming over you, or anything, but I tend to check back on people I've warned, after a few days, and I'm happy to see that you've apparently calmed down. Usually things just escalate and lead to blocks, so it's really cool to see things head in a different direction. If you have any questions, concerns, or needs, feel free to drop me a note. Luna Santin 00:12, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proposal for managing song lists on Simpsons episodes

Hi, hope you don't mind me posting to your userpage but I'm trying to collect opinion on a proposal relating to The Simpsons and, despite posting to various talk pages, I've had no feedback at all (except from a co-planner). I don't mind if all the opinion is negative (then I'll just forget the idea) but I'd like it to get some visibiltiy. I'm not going to go implement it unless the consensus is positive.

I'm proposing changing the way we manage lists of songs in episodes. Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject The Simpsons/Proposal for managing song lists on Simpsons episodes which has a full explanation of the proposal. Please leave comments there.

I'd appreciate any thoughts you have on this, or any views on where else it should be discussed --Mortice 12:23, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi from Lucifera hammer

My little brother was over today i saw him edditing Under my name :-( pls double check

sorry !!!

I Guess this sort of thing happens all the time people change, add things for no reason

should we ask to lock the page Canadian rock ????. Lucifers hammer 19:15, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

New!!!!

LOL i guess your right i fell like vandalizing George W. Bush right now :-)

[edit] IHHOF & VaughanWatch sockpuppet

I reverted your edit to the international hockey hall of fame article, all companies on wiki have side boxes, the articles that you mentioned thatdon't then put them up but don't vandalise other articles--HockeyHistorian 23:23, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Get the facts before making claims, I am reverting your edtis again which is considered vandalism--HockeyHistorian 23:48, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

FYI, I have blocked this sockpuppet of VaughanWatch. -- JamesTeterenko 05:08, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Simpsons Movie

Thanks for making a sane voice heard over at the Simpsons Movie article. It's nice to see someone else making the same edits, comments, and reverts, letting me know that I'm not crazy. Have a WikiCookie

_si»abhorreo»^T 15:11, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Crab people

See WP:FUC. Fair use images are not allowed outside articles. -- Selmo ^(talk) 22:57, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Simpsons vandalism

Thanks for reverting the vandalism. I was just about to get it, but you beat me to the punch. This anonymous user is a rampant vandal, so please be sure to place a warning on the talk page, and perhaps we can get him or her blocked. Thanks. Cheers! ---Charles 00:34, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Interim leaders

Then change their boxes, not Dion's box. The correct policy and procedure on Wikipedia is to list the interim leaders; if another article doesn't, then the correct response is to change that article rather than inserting incorrect information into Dion's. (Sorry about the comment signing confusion; for some reason my keyboard somehow reset itself to French layout and I couldn't find the tilde.) Bearcat 01:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and Herb Gray was an interim Leader of the Opposition (the Parliamentary role); he was never interim leader of the Liberal Party of Canada. So his article isn't supposed to have the leadership infobox on it. Graham, however, was an actual interim leader of the party. Bearcat 01:37, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Education in the Simpsons

Sounds good to me! --Xtreambar 04:31, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moe'N'a Lisa

Please explain your edit of my culture refs. Thanks. Lugnuts 19:46, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of characters on the Simpsons

We just had an edit conflict on List of characters on the Simpsons, which I have been bolding and adding actor names too. I'm going to copy my version, since it took forever, and then re-make your changes, ok? Natalie 21:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

OK, I have redone your changes except for one. I kept "Unnamed, screamapille" instead of the screamapillar. I think since there are quite a few unnamed characters, we should point out that their unnamed. This will also keep people from adding a name that they either made up, or thought they heard, or whatever. Natalie 22:00, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ref for Marge meeting Homer

Thanks. I wasn't sure even what season that episode was in, so I thought it would take forever to find it. Natalie 00:12, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Do you happen to know where this quote comes from: Homer has "caused three meltdowns and one China Syndrome. I remember the quote but cannot for the life of me remember what episode it's from. Natalie 00:17, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

OK, you are obviously better than me at remembering the episodes. Do you know the episode/s where Homer has played the trombone and/or classical guitar, Homer could tell the difference between butter and I Can't Believe It's Not Butter, Homer is a good poker player. Natalie 02:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. I took out the whole part on cards, since it was kind of predicated on his being a good poker player. Natalie 02:39, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Guest star references

Thought I'd post this here as it seemed the best place. I've just noticed that The Simpsons Official site lists all guest stars (except de facto ones like Hartman, Wallace and Welker) beneath the descriptions on the episode guide for all of the episodes. Although it would take forever to add these to all episodes listed with guest stars, this is at least the highest official source. Maybe a link to ep guide at the bottom with a note about where the names are situated? Gran2 19:19, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Survivor Cook Islands

Hi Scorpion0422 I am new here. I am sorry if I do something wrong or did not follow wikipedia's rule. Well, I just want to know why my editing in Sole Survivor part in Trivia list was removed. (I added Aras was only one survivor getting hurt in Final 2 because I think it is his unique.) And I added that Morgan McDevitt was also 21 when Guatemala aired so Jeff Wilson and Morgan were the youngest partcipants. (You can see the proof in their CBS bio they were both 21) Please Explain your reasons to me. Thank you very much.

Best Regard Sweeti Tooth 03:18, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your explaination (That's clear) and I also understand about Tina's case. Sweeti Tooth 14:21, 11 December 2006 (UTC)