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1 Merge The National Scout Show
2 13/14th Dublin
3 Assessment
4 Section Pages
5 Rap process

[edit] Merge The National Scout Show

Merge, other article too short and not likely to grow, merge and turn it into a redirect. Rlevse 23:20, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

merge, agree. Chris 23:37, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 13/14th Dublin

13th Dublin is a substantial article in its own right and charts its development as a Scout Group rather than the development of Scouting in general. The same cannot be said for 14th Dublin. I suggest that 14th Dublin be merged into 13th Dublin--Stevecull 14:58, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

I would Agree with that idea. The 13th Dublin is a pretty big article, and i don't think it belongs in the Scouting Ireland Article. Merge the 13th and 14th. --Ablaze (talk) 15:34, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Suggest merging 13th and 14th into an article with a different name, and have a link in Scouting Ireland back to that article and vice versa. Rlevse 17:04, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Note creation of Scouting in Rathfarnham article to try to solve this dispute as User:Jorgenpfhartogs reverted my previous effort to merge the two articles Stevecull 15:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

The 14th and 13th units are two complete separate units. They are both based in Rathfarnham and the 14th was established by leaders of the 13th but since then they have very different histories. There are 4 more units in Rathfarnham so an article about Scouting in Rathfarnham should not include the history of the 13th and the 14th but should be a more general artical. Merging 14th Dublin and 13th Dublin would insinuate they are thesame unit, which they clearly are not. I'm an active leader in the 13th Dublin unit and therefore do not know anything of the history of the 14th Dublin since it was established. I also can't tell you more about the other 3 units, but I've requested info from them as to write an article about Scouting in Rathfarnham. Jorgenpfhartogs 06:21, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I've rewritten the articles 13th Dublin, 14th Dublin and Scouting in Rathfarnham in a way that (I hope) all of us can live with.Jorgenpfhartogs 06:21, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I've rewritten the page about Scouting in Rathfarnham a bit since the history of the 13th Dublin is not the sole history of Scouting in that area. I'm looking for more info on the other troops. By my knowledge there were/are 6 troops: 13th Dublin, 14th Dublin, 31st Dublin, 68th Dublin, Rathfarnham Girl Guides and a troop in Ballyboden that no longer exists. I've contacted the leaders I know of all troops in the area (Mountpellier Scout County and Three Rock Scout County) to enlighten me with any info they might posses. I beg all of you to leave the 13th Dublin and 14th Dublin articles intact.I will receive more info about the 14th soon so I'll be able to continuee their history from the moment they became a separate unit.I also started articles on the Scout Provinces in Ireland. Feel free to contact me if you have any questions. Jorgenpfhartogs

I've rewritten the articles 13th Dublin, 14th Dublin and Scouting in Rathfarnham in a way that (I hope) all of us can live with.Jorgenpfhartogs 06:21, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Assessment

I'd rate this a weak B-class right now. What it needs to be a solid B-class is a beefed up "Sections and RAP" section; with a summary of each program with a link (now there's only one to Cubs) to a main article.Rlevse 17:11, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Done and done. Section specific articles are short but expanding. All help with Scouting Ireland Beaver Scouts and Scouting Ireland Scouts welcome. Stevecull 22:39, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Section Pages

I'm wondering if the names of the Sections: Scouting Ireland Beaver Scouts, Scouting Ireland Scouts, Scouting Ireland Venture Scouts should be renamed. The whole Scouting Ireland at the start of it takes from the actual name of the article. Maybe Beaver Scouts (Ireland), Scouts (Ireland) and Venture Scouts (Ireland) would be better? What do ya think? --Ablaze (talk) 16:13, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

In respect to the other associations for Scouting in Ireland, although they will never have the number of members Scouting Ireland has, I think we should maintain [Scouting Ireland Beaver Scouts]], etc. Maybe a member of the Scouting Association Northern Ireland, the Baden Powell scouts, the Catholic Girl Guides or any other association can write something about their sections? I'll try to contact them to gather more info. Jorgenpfhartogs 16:49, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Well the Scouting Association Northern Ireland could have Scouts (Northern Ireland) etc.. and the IGG and CGI dont have Beaver, Scout and Venture Sections. I just thought that Scouting Ireland Scouts was too much considering scouts is mentioned twice in the title of the article --Ablaze (talk) 18:14, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I would be with Jorgenpfhartogs here I think, if we run into problem we can reassess though. Even though they dont have articles yet, best to be politically correct Stevecull 21:56, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

With you all the way there. As with so many things in Ireland it is better to be OVERcautious than to offend other movements in Scouting. Organisatiosn like Na Fianna Eireann do not recognise the Scouting Association Northern Ireland for obvious reasons and the attitude of Scouting Association Northern Ireland towards the former CSI is still very cold. Whereas SAI was concentrated in the Republic, CSI was the Catholic movement in the North where Scouting Association Northern Ireland was the protestant. Of course, this is putting it very black and white but we should watch for offending people. Jorgenpfhartogs 03:19, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rap process

I have reverted the inclusion of "The RAP process is causing a lot of trouble in Scouting Ireland. It's basically destroying the Patrol System and watering down Scouting.". I have no idea what the RAP process is. If someone can expand the initials, maybe it has a place in the article. Until then, it does not. --Bduke 21:56, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Its just a new controversial system for the new programme. It is yet to be put in place and only just started the pilot phase. Basically people don't like any idea of change to what they are used to, thru going around saying it doesn't work before they even see it in action! --